Tuesday April 7, 1998 Part 1 25 Messages ====================================== From: "Claude Horstmann" To: Subject: Chloe Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:33:24 -0400 Reply-to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Uncle Steve...it's not always what we do that spells the difference between success and failure.. it's the unseen effects we have on other people that makes us win or lose. You and Chloe have had a profound effect on each other, and that love has enriched all our lives. Bless you both. .marilyn. -------------------------------------- Date sent: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:19:37 -0500 To: felvtalk@MailingList.net From: Ann M Blais Subject: Chloe Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Steve, You tried so hard to keep her with you. This is just so sad, I don't know what to say except that I'm very very sorry for your great loss. Ann M -------------------------------------- From: WORKPARK Date sent: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 04:42:31 EDT To: felvtalk@Mailinglist.net Subject: Re: Green clay Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi all, Since we decided not to proceed any further with the clay on Rissa-Tai, I still have the full one pound tube of clay minus 1/4 teaspoon. If anyone wants it, I'd be happy to sell it to you for the $10 plus postage. Otherwise, I have no use for it, and I don't want to see it go to waste. Also, if you want to try it, they charged me $10 for postage as well - this way, you won't have to pay as much. Please post to me privately and we can work something out. Pam -------------------------------------- From: WORKPARK Date sent: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 04:55:25 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: one eyed Jack Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, Good luck! I hope he's healthy too. Looks like you've got yourself another one :) Pam -------------------------------------- Date sent: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 22:37:32 -0700 From: Dana Crow Organization: Magical Moments Preschool To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Chloe Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dear Steve I am sorry to hear about Chloe's passing. I wish I had some profound words for both you & Susan on her loss of Ernie as well, but I don't. Words can't really do much to dull the pain but please know that I am also greatly saddened at your precious baby's sudden passing. Dana -------------------------------------- From: "AZ-HART" To: Copies to: "Steve Lackow" Subject: Re: Chloe Date sent: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:39:35 -0700 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Steve, I'm sorry about your little Chloe. I lost my "Angelina" today, too. She was not an FeLV cat, but she was a disabled cat whom I have been caring for since Sept 1996. She just couldn't breathe well anymore, and it started getting bad Saturday. My head aches from crying so much today. It's so sad when you leave them with the Vet because they require entensive care, and then they don't make it. My thoughts are with you. Irene Hart In Memory of "Angelina", Sept 1994 - April 6, 1998 Arizona Homeless Animals Rescue Team (AZ-HART) http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/azhart Email us at: azhart@sprynet.com -------------------------------------- Date sent: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 22:43:57 -0700 From: Dana Crow Organization: Magical Moments Preschool To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Ernie, thanks Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Susan, I was saddened & shocked to hear of Ernie's death. I like your idea of the memory book for Ernie so you can later reflect on just how many lives he touched in a short period of time. I'm sure he's gone to a place where the sun always shines & love continually blooms. I too look forward to the great celebration at the Death of this curse. Dana -------------------------------------- Date sent: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 22:49:18 -0700 From: Dana Crow Organization: Magical Moments Preschool To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Jack update. Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, Good luck with Jack. He sounds much like my 3 kitten's mother. She was black & also missing an eye. Unfortunately, she was feral & was able to elude us til she disappeared altogether. In retrospect, I believe she must have been positive as her 4 kittens are from birth or shortly there after. He must feel the love in your home to have calmed down so quickly, but you are right, don't let him out of the bathroom just yet. Why do we always put these guys in our bathrooms? That's where I tamed down my three. I think they lived behind the toilet for weeks before we could get too near. Perhaps it will be easier because he is the only one in there. Mine had strength in numbers.Dana -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:09:48 EDT To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Chloe Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Steve, There are no words that can express how much your loss is felt by all of us. Chloe isn't gone, just visiting with ours that have gone before, showing her around. But we do miss their physical presence so. barb -------------------------------------- From: katseven@pcsia.com Date sent: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 05:17:28 -0600 Subject: Re: Chloe To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dear Steve, I know this heartache. Ernie and Chloe will be together at the bridge. And they will wait for us. Ernie has already come to me in my dreams and Chloe will watch over you, too, as Pam told me of my Ernie. You are such a wonderful friend to Chloe; she knew you loved her and still love her. Susan -------------------------------------- From: katseven@pcsia.com Date sent: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 05:24:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Angelina To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Irene, I'm so sorry for you and your sweet Angelina. I know what you mean about the crying--Everything I do I just keep seeing Ernie and the loss is so intense I keep tearing up and just aching. Our babies enter our hearts and find a home there. I'm thinking of you during this sad time. Susan -------------------------------------- From: katseven@pcsia.com Date sent: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 05:30:32 -0600 Subject: Re: Jack update. To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, This is such wonderful news! He let you pet him! He's not feral then--or at least he hasn't reverted back completely. Yes, he will be so relieved not to have the cold, and the dogs, etc. to deal with. I am hoping that all goes well at the vets. The bathroom is a good place for feral cats because the smaller space gives them more of a sense of safety, I believe. Good luck today, Susan -------------------------------------- From: katseven@pcsia.com Date sent: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 05:38:14 -0600 Subject: Re: Ernie To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Thank you, Janie. I have been crying my eyes out but this group has helped ease the despair. I need to listen and talk a little to people who understand. I will pray for Booger that she recovers or goes peacefully. Love, Susan -------------------------------------- From: katseven@pcsia.com Date sent: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 05:43:28 -0600 Subject: Re: Ernie, thanks To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dana, Yes, it was a shock. I believed Ernie was going to pull out of it, but I felt yesterday morning his spirit. He was a fighter like Kallie and we both howled together in pain at his passing. I feel him with me now. Thank you for your sweet words. Susan -------------------------------------- From: "Cheri Gardiner" To: Subject: Re: Chloe Date sent: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 06:21:07 -0600 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Steve, I am so sorry about Chloe. How awful for you! At least now Chloe is without pain. She had a great dad and must have loved you very much. Think of her at the Rainbow Bridge. She'll be waiting for you and playing with all our friends including my Mickey and Merlin, Duncan, Ernie, and so many others. Cheri G., Kitty & Chaz In memory of my little boy Mickey -------------------------------------- Date sent: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 13:16:19 +0000 From: LawBet Organization: Home for Wayward Felines To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Angelina Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Irene, Words are never sufficient, never adequate. Know only that you do not stand alone. The wonderful folks in this group will lend you their support, even as some of them accept that support for their own losses. We find strength in knowing there IS a better place. Sleep soft, dear Angelina. Larry -------------------------------------- Date sent: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 15:38:16 +0200 From: Pieter Organization: N/A To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Ernie Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dear Susan So very sorry ......sending you a handful of African sunshine... Nina In memory of Budgie and my other furbabies -------------------------------------- Date sent: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 15:39:29 +0200 From: Pieter Organization: N/A To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Chloe Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Steve - you don't know me...but I am so terribly sorry.... Nina In memory of Budgie and my other furbabies -------------------------------------- Date sent: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:10:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Kat To: FeLV Talk Subject: Re: Chloe Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dear Steve, I'm so very sorry about your loss. Chloe knew how much you loved her, and knew you would never have left her at the vet's unless you loved her so much to want her to be well again. Now she *is* well, and having a good time with our other Rainbow kitties. You did what you could, you made all the right decisions for her, but she made the final decision to let go. It's such a shock to be caught so off-guard like this, and I grieve with you and for your loss. Kat (Jersey Girl) -------------------------------------- Date sent: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:14:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Kat To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Ernie Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Susan, I send you my deepest sympathies in your/our time of sorrow - we do grieve with you over Ernie's passing. You fought just as hard as Ernie did. Please know that we all care. Kat (New Jersey) -------------------------------------- Date sent: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:35:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Kat To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Angelina and Comet Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dear Irene and Judy, Saying 'Good-Bye' and letting go of our precious kitties is never easy, whether it's due to FeLV or something else. You both gave them your love and the best care any kittie could have, and while we always know nothing is forever, we always strive for forever anyway. You are very special people for the love you've given. Kat (New Jersey) -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:58:11 EDT To: felvtalk@Mailinglist.net Subject: Jack, home from the vet Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net All, Jack is now tucked away in my bathroom again, sleeping in a basket. He was negative for everything but roundworms. Those I can deal with. There is, of course nothing that can be done for his eye, which is gone forever. Dr. Black did not close the hole tho. He said the eye is in there, but totally colapsed and as long as it is there, it shouldn't be sewn up. To remove it is very involved and expensive and that there is no infection there, so best to leave it alone. It will not be attractive, but who cares. Of course, he is also missing a piece of his anatomy and I hope he doesn't take that personally, but it was VERY necessary. Of course he peed on himself and stinks to high heaven at the moment, but this to shall pass. He gave them not wit of trouble and I have held him, stink and all. He gobbled up the food I gave him, but he is used to having to eat while you can. He will get over that to. So he has his shots started and is resting quietly at the moment. His testosterone levels will have dropped by the time he can leave the bathroom, so hopefully there won't be any huge problems. He actually seems timid now that he is in the house. So now, Jack has a home. Hope he likes it here! barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:06:17 EDT To: felvtalk@Mailinglist.net Subject: All our losses Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net All, As I was passing the window under which Dunc is buried carrying Jack into his new home, I told Dunc this one was for him. When we lose one, saving one in their name seems a good idea to me. That's how I am dealing with lossing my little ones. I haven't one for Merlin yet, but I will, sooner or later and he (or she) will have the life that Merlin should have had. There are so many. I had planned on catching the Orange tom, thinking the black one so wild I wouldn't be able to handle him and it turns out he is a sweety. So I guess things happen the way they are supposed to. I just suddenly decided the black one was the one I needed to get. Vet thinks he is only a year or two old. Dunc was two. So I dedicate Jack's life to Duncan. May he live long and be happy for 20 years. Barb -------------------------------------- Date sent: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 18:37:38 -0400 From: Andrew Sherrod To: "felvtalk@MailingList.net" Copies to: "James G. Wilson" Subject: George is asking.... Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dear Friends, George is asking for another chance at life. We took her to the "stand in" vet (ours is away until tomorrow) and were told very bad news. George has EXTREMELY low wbc and rbc counts and is severely anemic. Her tongue and gums are very very pale (no yellow). She is very sluggish and tried to hide in the closet today. On a good note, her liver and kidney functions are good and she has put on some weight. This vet suggested a blood transfusion and then a bone marrow aspiration to see what is going on there. We decided to wait to get the word from our real vet tomorrow. (I mean, she's been like this for 4 days....she doesn't seem any worse than when the blood was taken). Any suggestions? We are getting her an immunoregulin shot tonight-can't hurt (her elevated protein levels could be from immuno and interferon). I don't think I want to go with a transfusion because-well, it will only buy her a few days. If she can't fight the infection herself then maybe nature will just have to take its course. I don't want it to be that way-I want to fight for her but I don't want to do anything to cause her pain.....Any suggestions would be appreciated. Right now she is on her second week of immuno shots, 1/2 cc of interferon and 1 or 2 preds per day (the pred was the only thing that got her to eat). She really went down hill when the vet discontinued the pred for 5 days because of a cold she had........what to do...what to do..... Thank you! Paula, Andrew, and George..... -------------------------------------- From: "James G. Wilson" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date sent: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:29:36 +0000 Subject: Re: George is asking.... Copies to: Andrew Sherrod Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hey Paula, Andrew, and George, I'm sorry to hear that George still isn't doing very well. I'm glad that you got her into see the other vet today. I don't want to disagree with you, but I think this vet's assessment is quite sound. I understand your feelings that she should try to fight this on her own, but a transfusion just may help her do that. The fact that her liver and kidney functions are good is a *VERY* good sign. Knowing that she has a good chance, I think a transfusion may "jump-start" her ability to start producing rbc's again. Other ways to combat the anemia may be an injection of epogen, giving her Pet-tinic, feeding her beef or chicken livers, etc. The prednisone should also help to start her producing rbc's again- and help her regain her appetite. I'm not sure what to say about the low wbc's- an injection of neupogen might do the trick. Did the vet give you any options about this? Take care, and know that our thoughts are with y'all right now. Talk to you soon. In loving memory of Vyvyan: March 20, 1988 - August 15, 1997 James G. Wilson phaedrus@ctnet.net, phaedrus69@hotmail.com, felv@angelfire.com http://www.angelfire.com/il/felv/ http://www.litchfieldil.com/members/phaedrus/ http://www.fortunecity.com//skyscraper/sterling/20/niu.html -------------------------------------- END