Thursday April 2, 1998 Part 1 20 Messages ====================================== Date sent: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:38:11 -0500 From: Uncle Junky To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Catnip Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Ahoy! My friend, I believe you misunderstood the excerpt. If you still have it on file, I suggest that you re-read it. It compares the supposedly "psychedelic effects" of catnip to the other drugs to a cat, and that catnip is "harmless and non addictive" to a cat. Also, LSD and marijuana are considered drugs. Actually LSD is a synthetic drug, and marijuana is a weed, therefore an herb (with many medicinal purposes) Neither are "narcotics" which are addictive. And, neither are actually "psychedelic" they are more like mood enhancers and perception distorters. Obviously, you've been reading that D.A.R.E. propaganda. Shame on you! Remains, Unc -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:18:58 -0600 To: felvtalk@MailingList.net From: Ann M Blais Subject: Re: Booger Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Mamacat, Sorry you and Booger are having such a rough time of it. Hopefully Booger will be feeling better in a couple of days. In the book "The New Natural Cat" by Anitra Frazier, there is a recipe that you may find useful for feeding Booger while he is on liquids. High Calcium Chicken Broth Your own homemade chicken broth will be full of calcium and nutients. Here's how to make it: 2 to 3 lbs. chicken (she prefers thighs) 1 lb. chicken necks and backs water to cover 1/4 cup tomato juice (not V8 juice) Put all chicken into a soup pot large enough so the chicken fills the pot only halfway. Cover with water until water is one to two inches above chicken. Cover the pot loosely (tip the lid). Bring to a low simmer. Simmer three to five hours, occasionally breaking up the chicken and adding more water if necessary. During the last hour remove the lid and let the water cook down until the chicken is barely covered. Broth is now deliciously strong. Pour off broth, cool to room temperature, and then store in refrigerator. While the broth is cooling, pour enough cold water over the chicken left in the pot to cover. Then let it cool some more until it's cool enough for you to be able to touch. With your hands, knead, squeeze, and stir the chicken around in the water to get all the good out of the meat and into the water. The water will begin to look milky. Finally, take handfuls of chicken meat, wring out the liquid into the pot, and throw the meat away. (The hours of simmering have succeeded in transferring the usable nutrition from the meat into the broth. What little nutrition is left in the meat at this point would be largely indigestible.) Leave the bones and the broth behind in the pot. Pour this broth off and store it with the first batch of broth. Transfer the bones into a smaller pot. Crack them up so they form a fairly compact mass in the bottom of the pan. Cover the bones with water and add the one-fourth cup of tomato juice. Simmer one-half to one hour. Pour off this broth, again combining it with the other broth. Throw the bones away. Store about two cups of the broth in a jar in the refrigerator; store the rest in the freezer in pint-size covered freezer containers to be thawed as needed. To thaw, stand the container in a bowl of hot water. Chicken Super Soup Here's how to make your homemade chicken broth even more nutritious. Combine the following ingredients: 1/4 cup High-Calcium Chicken Broth (see recipe above) 1/16 teaspoon ascorbic acid crystals (250 units of vitamin C) 1/2 teaspoon food yeast (flaked, brewer's, or tarula) (can be gotten at a health food store) 1/16 teaspoon feline digestive enzymes can be mail ordered from: Very Healthy Enterprises P.O. Box 4728 Inglewood, CA 90309 Phone 213-672-3269 I have made this broth (but not the Chicken Super Soup), and my kitties love it. It is really not as complicated as it sounds, once started, it just seems to work out good. I'll be sending healing thoughts to Booger, and you too. Be careful not to stress out. Ann M -------------------------------------- From: "Claude Horstmann" To: Subject: Booger Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:20:50 -0500 Reply-to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Mamacat, it's real important that Booger get nourishment. Cheerful, but firm.. just like with children. Can you get some Nutrical gel to ease Booger through the next few days ?. Vanilla flavored Ensure Plus is a high protein drink full of vitamins and minerals, and is available at most food or drug stores and might help her through while the soreness is resolving. Don't let her growling keep you from the task of getting her well. .marilyn. -------------------------------------- From: AskforArt Date sent: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:54:37 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Booger Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Mamacat--please buy some kitten milk replacement formula from your vet's office or a pet food store. It is used to feed kittens who are too weak to nurse, or if their mom is unable to nurse. Loaded with nutrients, and often a cat will take it on their own. If not use the ever-reliable dropper. Hope you see a huge improvement soon! Linda P -------------------------------------- From: "Claude Horstmann" To: Subject: chicken broth Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:27:07 -0500 Reply-to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Listen Ann, The next time you make that recipe, give me a call. I can be in Maine inside of 5 hours !! I'll bring dessert. I am glad that you are taking the initiative with your "down home" Vet. Doesn't matter what the office staff thinks, learning is a continual process. You are not only saving Gretchen's life, but all the unknown Gretchen's that may be coming into that Vet's office later on. Options, you are a teacher now. Take care. .marilyn. -------------------------------------- Date sent: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 22:44:49 -0800 From: Dana Crow Organization: Magical Moments Preschool To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: It must be late Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Can someone tell me please if 3ml is the same as 3cc's? I seem to think it is but don't want to take the chance. It is late & I've had a bad & busy week & it's only 1/2 over. Too bad we have to go to work to survive!! Thanks in advance. Dana -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:46:58 -0600 To: felvtalk@MailingList.net From: Ann M Blais Subject: Kitty Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Cheri, Glad to hear Chaz is doing well, sorry about Kitty and her kidney infection. That is such a good idea using cranberry powder. I never knew such a thing existed. Hopefully that and the medicine will help her out and she'll soon be feeling better. That will also make you feel better for sure. I wish I knew of something else for you to give Kitty, but the only thing I can think of is plenty of good spring or distilled water for her to drink. I'll be thinking of you all and sending healing thoughts to Kitty. Ann M -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:49:23 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Kitty Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Cheri, I forgot to mention, make sure she drinks LOTS of water. Very important to help flush the kidneys out. barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:52:55 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: It must be late Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dana, Yes, 3cc and 3ml are the same thing. I agree about the work, but there is cat food, cat litter, cat vet bills, cat toys......barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:55:02 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Susan Re: Qetta Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Ann, It's been a while since I looked it up but it think it might be the constant inflamation that Lupus patients have. barb -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 01:05:36 -0600 To: felvtalk@MailingList.net From: Ann M Blais Subject: Linda Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Linda, Sorry to hear about your husband, hope he's feeling a little better today. He must have been suffering pretty bad last week. You sure have got your work cut out for you, from the sounds of it. Also, my sympathy on your loss of Russian, it's so hard to lose a loving pet. I will certainly send healing thoughts and prayers and please keep us all posted on your husband's progress. Ann M. -------------------------------------- From: "Helen Elizabeth Kennebeck" To: "felv mailinglist" Subject: Prayers for Linda Date sent: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:23:31 -0600 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Linda, Sorry to hear about your husband. We will be thinking good thoughts and saying prayers for a quick and thorough recovery for him, and some peace and sanity for you as you go through this ordeal. Hang in there and keep the faith. Liz and Samantha In memory of Buddy 3-13-98 -------------------------------------- From: "Helen Elizabeth Kennebeck" To: "felv mailinglist" Subject: Lynn and Stinker Date sent: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:31:24 -0600 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Lynn, You are doing such a good job with Stinker. I can't wait to read a posting from you that he is feeling much better. I know what a trying ordeal it can be with the medicine and feedings. It's hard, not because we have to do it, but because sometimes our kitties don't realize that we're doing it to help them and they fight or squirm.............well, you know. Keep up the wonderful effort with Stinker; I'm hoping he takes a turn for the better soon. We'll say our prayers....... Liz and Samantha In memory of Buddy 3-13-98 -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:09:34 -0500 (EST) From: Kat To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Ernie, odd dilation Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Cheri, There is a web site at: http://www.baysport.com/bloodexp.html that give an explanation for each item on a SMAC and CBC. Is this what you were looking for?? Kat (New Jersey) -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:12:41 -0500 (EST) From: Kat To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Barb Re: Nancy Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net One of the cats at the shelter I volunteer at used to be FeLV+ but is now testing negative. "Beauty" was a feral and he is a real handful - he is not your "climb in your lap - please pet me" types. I joke about how he's so nasty the virus couldn't take it anymore and left for good! Kat (New Jersey) -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:15:03 -0500 (EST) From: Kat To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Chloe Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Steve, I can't stop laughing over the Karen Carpenter analogy... thanks.... madness takes its toll. .marilyn. (Please have Exact Change!) -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:04:28 -0500 From: Kathy To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: booger is home from vet Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Mamacat, I'm sorry to hear that Booger isn't perking up. It's so hard with these wonderful creatures who can't tell us and can't understand us. Have you tried the baby food on her? I also wonder if she could lick up some of the juice - maybe even from a can of people tuna in water. That's what finally got my Rusty drinking again - sometimes just the stimulus gets things going. I also was wondering if you are in a position to get a second opinion? Prayers are said and vibes are heading your way - all paws are also crossed that she will feel better and start eating. Good luck Booger and Janie too!!! > > Kathy G and the 3 furries in Daytona Beach =^.^= Rusty =^.^= Smokey =^.^= Money see us at: http://cgi.gambitsys.com/homey/webdoc5.htm The Cat: Mother Nature's Masterpiece -------------------------------------- From: "James G. Wilson" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date sent: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:09:43 +0000 Subject: (Fwd) Re: FeLV-related kidney problems Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:04:36 -0500 From: Tookie Myers Reply-to: ccmyers1@erols.com To: phaedrus@ctnet.net Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: FeLV-related kidney problems Your wet food is the main key. Water is the number one best treatment for renal problems and it appears your veterinarian has a good handle on this. The only other recommendation I would make is the use of antioxidants to alleviate further damage. An aggressive strategy is to use injectable orgotein and selenium coupled with an oral pycnogenol (my preferance is Life Force Super Antioxidant). If your veterinarian would like some additional information on this regimen he may contact me via phone (757) 421-7040 or e-mail. Do you know if your veterinarian feels your cat's kidney problem is immune mediated or infectious? M. W. Myers, D.V.M. -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 18:38:28 +0200 From: Nina Organization: N/A To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: booger is home from vet Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi... try this to feed your kitty: one eggyolk half a cup of evaporated milk one quarter teaspoon glucose feed about 2 mls (if you are using a syringe - best way to do it) at least 3 times a day. This is not enough to fill up the kitty's tummy but is nourishing and will see her through until the sore is better. I think the sore in her mouth is a result of a very low resistance ..once she is better it will also heal of its own accord. The reason antibiotics are not helping is that it may be the wrong kind, or that you may have discontinued a previous treatment too early and she built up a resistance to it... Please make sure that she gets enough water (even if you have to force feed her with a syringe). Thinking of you..... Nina -------------------------------------- From: katseven@pcsia.com Date sent: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:24:58 -0600 Subject: Re: Jim-Interferon Info To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Thank you, Jim. -------------------------------------- END