Thusday March 26, 1998 Part 1 15 Messages ====================================== From: AskforArt Date sent: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:30:31 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Raw food diet Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi all--- the following info is from the March-April issue of "New Age" magazine, in the natural pet care section. To remove surface bacteria from meat, drop in boiling water for 2 to 3 minutes. This will still leave the meat raw. Also, avoid raw fish. This article has a lot of good info, and is worth going to your nearest magazine stand and taking the time to read. (Or, parting with the $4.95.) They address other topics about feline health. Linda P -------------------------------------- From: "Helen Elizabeth Kennebeck" To: "felv mailinglist" Subject: Jim's computer woes Date sent: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:50:57 -0600 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net I would be more than happy to help with a contribution to "Jim's computer fund." Liz In memory of Buddy 3-13-98 -------------------------------------- From: WORKPARK Date sent: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:12:08 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Interferon Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Ann, Please, please try to find another vet. There are many wonderful vets out there willing to try for the sake of our babies - maybe not everything, but lots more that what your vet sounds willing to do. I wish he was more open to what's new and available - he just might learn something. Oh well. Is there a vet school anywhere near you you could call for advice or go to for help? and Jim, out of my two vets, one definately said no to the list and the other still hasn't given me an answer. :( At least they are willing to try for me. If anyone is from Tucson or a surrounding area, I'd be happy to recommend the practice. -------------------------------------- From: "Cheri Gardiner" To: Subject: Re: Interferon Date sent: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:06:12 -0600 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Ann, My bottle of Interferon was $100. I freeze it and thaw it as I need it. I put it into smaller bottles to do that. It's well worth it and it will last a long time. My bottle is about 12 inches tall. I could send you a small bottle UPS packed with dry ice. You just pay the UPS charges. Let me know. I would like to help Gretchen if I could. Sounds like she's had a tough life. Cheri G., Kitty & Chaz In memory of my little boy Mickey -------------------------------------- From: "Claude Horstmann" To: Subject: Interferon Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:15:06 -0500 Reply-to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Ann... Interferon here on the East Coast is widely circulated, and easily available and the price is approx. $10 per month. My kitten has been on it since Nov 1996. My Vet reconstitutes the Interferon in a sodium chloride solution, and the dose is drawn out of the IV bag with a syringe, and given orally. The solution is kept in the refrig, and is good for a 2 month period. The cost per bag, $20. Your Vet had no second thoughts about the spaying of your little girl despite her FeLV status, I'm wondering why this reluctance to investigate Interferon ? Be willing to teach your Vet, or be willing to change your Vet. Decisions, decisions.. alla time decisions !!!! take care, ..marilyn From: katseven@pcsia.com Date sent: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:55:42 -0600 Subject: Re: Ernie, Naomi, Ambrotose To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Naomi, Glad to hear Keigan's being a crazy boy. Cats do grieve, too, so I'm happy he has a loving mom, and that you can comfort each other. We have a crazy boy, too, Joey. He is so energetic he can't even keep his head still! I don't know if you read this or not, but last week I visited a holistic vet out of town, the one who recommended the raw food diet. (By the way, this vet is not my regular vet, but I respect his opinion and he makes a lot of sense.) Anyway, I mentioned the Acemannan treatment, and he said that Ambrotose (sp?) has the same thing in it only it is given orally. Now, this wouldn't be as effective for Ernie, since he has tumors, but maybe something to think about to avoid the injections in a less severe case. Not sure about this. Does anyone else know about Ambrotose? It's a Mannatech product, isn't it? Jim, the holistic vet I mentioned has a website: htp://billpollak.simplenet.com He might be interested in being on the list. Susan -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:38:07 +0000 To: felvtalk@MailingList.net From: BILL BEAMISH Subject: Re: Interferon Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Ann, I know how you feel. When I first started to go to my vet he was the same way. He wanted to put to sleep all cats who tested positive for Felv or Fiv. Now he knows me and doesn't even mention it but I know he recommends it to other people who have positive cats. He is an older man and I think kind of set in his ways. Fortunately, last year he hired a new vet right out of school and she is very good and anxious to find out all she can about new treatments and medicines and vitamins to help me with my Felv cats. Now I see Kathy exclusively. She is the one who recommended Interferon for my Maggie when Maggie was a kitten and tested positive for Felv. Now Maggie is almost 2, has been on Interferon for over 18 months and is doing fantastic! Never had a sick day in her life! As to the cost - it cost me 90.00 initially for Kathy to get the Interferon from Cornell Veterinary School but it was a big supply. I think your vet has to order it for you. It has to be mixed in a bag of IV solution by the vet. One bag of Interferon lasts 2 months for me but I have all my cats on it - 12 cats. After the initial cost of 90.00, it only costs me 10.00 every 2 months to get another bag. That is very reasonable! I don't know what your vet may charge. Veterinary rates are so different - even in the same area. I administer it to my cats by drawing the solution out of the bag with a syringe, taking the needle off the syringe, then just shooting it in their mouth. None of the cats mind it so I can't think it tastes bad or anything. It looks and probably tastes like water. Kathy recommended me wearing gloves when I use it so it doesn't get absorbed into my skin but I don't bother. I never spill it on my hands. I don't really know what effect it would have on me if it did get absorbed. Maybe Barb knows? Anyway, my cats are doing very well on Interferon and I think Gretchen will, too. It can't do any harm! There are no side effects that they know of. Good luck. I hope your vet gets some for you and it doesn't cost you a lot. Judy Oh, I don't know how long Interferon has been used on cats. -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:58:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Jim's Computer Status Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, Thanks for your thoughtfulness. I feel that I can donate a small amount without it being a serious burden. Nancy -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:00:49 -0600 (CST) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Keigan Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Naomi, Glad to hear about Keigan. Hopefully his attachment to you will help make up the loss he feels. Nancy -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:05:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Ernie Update Cyprohepatadine Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Larry, After your original message I found some of the same chews in the cabinet (that I originally bought for Maggie, the Golden. I put two out in the living room. They're still there, untouched, so . . . (nice idea, though). Nancy -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:27:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Nancy, thanks for Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Ann, What a sad story about Gretchen. Some people can be so cruel! She is lucky to have you as her person! I regret that my information did not reflect your hopes. But let me say this. All my cats were outside cats, exposed (where I formerly lived) to all kinds of sick cats. In fact, a friend of mine who still lives there, told me that all the strays or cats owned by that couple I told you about, are gone--many died under her trailer. Now that's only been 2.3 years ago. Also, 5 of my cats are still inside/outside (Unfortunately), although my husband and I are hoping to add a room on this summer, with an enclosed outside space to encourage those cats to stay in more. We do live on 11 acres though with vast amounts of land bordering us. We rarely see a stray cat but . . . the potential still exists. Also, of the 5 cats, 4 have been with me as long as I have had the others and they are negative for FELV. I don't have an opinion about vaccinating FELV+ cats, although Dr. Myers thinks (if I understanding him correctly) that it can't hurt and in some cases might trick their immune systems and actually help. I know EXACTLY what you mean about watching your cats carefully when they sneeze or for that matter do anything suspicious! There have been and still are many times I will look at Jake and Panther, thinking something's wrong, watching them very closely for hours and then they give a big yawn, start purring and maybe march straight into the kitchen for something to eat. I'll just think, "Am I paranoid or what?" happily, though. I don't know if Jake is small because of the FELV or just comes by it normally. He does weigh between 9 and 10#. But his weight is solid without much fat which makes him look smaller than the weight would seemingly dictate. He's very compact. He has never been a sickly cat even as a kitten. Always a lot of energy--even now. Perhaps with time . . . and more information, you'll find your answer--at least you have a few more months to decide. I know it's hard. Nancy -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 05:31:28 -0600 (CST) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Interferon Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Ann, I forgot to mention in my last post. I agree with James. You might want to find another vet--one who is into or at least interested in using interferon. I know I would. Jake and Panther have sstarted the one day on, two days off protocol. I believe it costs me about $6-7 a month that way. I have a vet who will find out just about anything I ask that she doesn't know--and happily. I would bet there's a vet in Maine who operates like she does. Nancy -------------------------------------- From: "Helen Elizabeth Kennebeck" To: "felv mailinglist" Subject: Ann and Interferon Date sent: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:51:06 -0600 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Ann, I got that answer from my vet when I mentioned Interferon----she thought it was quite expensive. She checked on it, though, and learned it was quite inexpensive. I had two bottles ( about 5 -6 oz.) and didn't pay more than $20 -$30. That lasted Buddy for nearly a year, and he was getting it one week on, one week off. Please check around; I really believe it made a difference with Buddy as his white count went up and stayed up. Liz In memory of Buddy 3-13-98 -------------------------------------- From: AskforArt Date sent: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:59:50 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Ernie, Naomi, Ambrotose Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Susan--the Ambrotose is from Mannatech, and lots of people are using it to treat their cancers, since the Acemannan is still in clinical trials on animals, and not yet available for use on humans. I just signed up as a Mannatech distributor so I can but the Ambrotose for my cats at a reduced price. If any one is interested in buying the product, but feels it's too expensive, I have a solution. However, I don't want to post my proposal on the internet, since I'm not supposed to do what I want to do. So.......if anyone is interested in buying some Ambrotose for their kitties, e-mail me at AskforArt@aol.com. You need to include your name and mailing address so I can mail you the info. Linda P -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:20:49 -0500 From: "T. Renee Breed" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net, felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Jim's computer Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net T. Renee Breed wrote: > > T. Renee Breed wrote: > > > > Recently logged on to this list;; Am the director/operator of The > > Heart of Kitty Hill, inc., a small feline rescue/shelter group that > > cares for unplaceable felines; [since 1963] We have a Felv+ group,[11 > > cats right now] since 1980, and a FIV+ group [7 cats right now] since > > 1996. Kitty Hill has tax exempt status, which I would like to offer to > > help Jim improve his system;; Any corporate/individual who could donate > > appropriate items for this would recieve a tax write-off; Jim will be > > listed as a volunteer staff member of Kitty Hill, and such equipment > > would be placed w/him on indefinate loan; this arrangement would protect > > Jim's status and permit him to continue his work, which is of great > > value to us and other Felv+ feline caregivers;; Please let us know if we > > can help.. peace and love, T. Renee Breed, PhD, email@ > > catzrus@ameritech.net... > > In loving memory.......... > > Mews 1977-12/24/96 > > Mew-mew 1974-12/28/96 ....... and the 40+ Felv+ kitties who sleep at > > Kitty Hill, waiting at the Rainbow Bridge.... -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:32:52 +0000 From: LawBet Organization: Home for Wayward Felines To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Interferon Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Ann, A true story with regard to "educating" Vets: My wife and daughter went down to a little convenience store about a mile from our house. Upon leaving the store, they heard a meowing coming from across the road. Upon investigation, they found a kitten that apparently had been nicked by a passing car. He appeared to have a hyper-extended front leg which appeared to be about 2" longer than the other leg. No other injuries were apparent. They took him to our vet (this was about 10 years ago) who immediately said there was nothing that could be done and that he should be put to sleep. They called me at home, asking what should done and describing the injuries. I told them NOT to put the kitty to sleep, have the vet put a walking cast on the leg, wrap it and bring him home. Cutting to the chase, the leg healed perfectly normally, retracted back to normal and the kitty is still living with my daughter and her husband. Point to this story: Our vet has since admitted that she acted too quickly in advising the cat be put to sleep, that we taught her a valuable lesson in the treatment of pets. So Vets who are willing to learn new things; willing to try anything; willing to use euthanasia only as a last resort; and most importantly, will listen to the pet owners are valuable people who should be sought out. Those who will not, should be avoided. Therefore, if your current vet will do none of these things, FIND ONE WHO WILL!! Treat your vet as you would your own doctor. If you are not satisfied with him, find one you are satisfied with. It's your money. Larry (the Lurker) -------------------------------------- END