Saturday March 7, 1998 Part 2 17 Messages ====================================== Date sent: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 16:20:36 -0500 From: Brad To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: FeLV Test Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net I want to ditto Cheryl's request. I am going to have Wuzzy re-tested in a week or two. It has been 3 weeks since he tested +. He has always been healthy (except for the seasonal allergies). Never a cold or bizarre ailment til just recently when he tested +. He was - a few weeks before that. I am feeding him the supplements and may start the Acemannan shots it he comes back + again. Is it possible for a cat to test + and never come down with the disease? Much Love, Kelly & Wuzzy -------------------------------------- Date sent: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 16:25:22 -0500 From: Brad To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: deleting text Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net When I want to respond to a mail...I go to 'Re:Mail' pull up the text and then delete what I don't want using the delete keys. Much Love, Just Kelly (Wuzzy doesn't type so well?!) -------------------------------------- From: "James G. Wilson" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date sent: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 15:39:39 +0000 Subject: Posting Etiquette Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi all, I noticed quite a bit of conversation about what was wrong with some of the postings of late, and I'm sorry I didn't address it sooner. What was being pointed out (I'm not going to use names here) about some of these postings was a matter of "established" etiquette for mailing lists (and newsgroups). First, many of us "advanced" users use something called "filtering software" for our incoming mail. What this does is sort mail from various lists and such into separate folders, so that we know which mail is from a list and which mail is private. Now, when people do something called "cross-posting" which means to post to more than one list or person at a time, our mail filtering tools don't know how to handle it. This creates a certain amount of confusion for us to sort out. Obviously, it's not the end of the world, but it does cause delays in answering mail. Also, another point of etiquette seems to be the copying of whole messages when responding. This is not necessary since all mail tools are basically text editors. As with text editors, you delete or keep as much of the included message as you like. You should only keep as much of the note as you are going to respond to- the rest is generally a waste. One-line notes of thanks to a particular person sent to lists are also considered a bit of an annoyance. If we can keep these things in mind, mailing lists will run much smoother. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to tell people how to act or any such thing. I'm merely trying to explain a general perception of what is considered to be good etiquette on these higher volume lists. The internet is the last bastion of anarchy, and I'd like to see it stay that way. However, for people to receive the information and support they need on this list, we have to try and make it as accessible as possible for them. So, following at least some of these rules will help them to that end. Thanks for listening, and I apologize for the off-topic nature of this post. Take care, and best wishes. In loving memory of Vyvyan: March 20, 1988 - August 15, 1997 James G. Wilson phaedrus@ctnet.net, phaedrus69@hotmail.com, felv@angelfire.com http://www.angelfire.com/il/felv/ http://www.litchfieldil.com/members/phaedrus/ http://www.fortunecity.com//skyscraper/sterling/20/niu.html -------------------------------------- From: "James G. Wilson" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date sent: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:16:31 +0000 Subject: Glaucoma in cats Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net "Helen Elizabeth Kennebeck" asked: > > Also, does anyone know if there is any medication for cats with glaucoma. Hi Liz, Your best bet would be to contact Paul E. Miller at the Univ. of Wisconsin at Madisom. He does extensive work with animals with glaucoma, so you may want to ask him about all of this. You can contact him through the: Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital (608) 263-7600 Ask for him by name. Also, you can read more about his research at: http://www.vetmed.wisc.edu/dss/miller.html I hope this helps get you started. Please let us know how it goes. Take care, and best wishes. In loving memory of Vyvyan: March 20, 1988 - August 15, 1997 James G. Wilson phaedrus@ctnet.net, phaedrus69@hotmail.com, felv@angelfire.com http://www.angelfire.com/il/felv/ http://www.litchfieldil.com/members/phaedrus/ http://www.fortunecity.com//skyscraper/sterling/20/niu.html -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:36:59 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: henobartinella Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Nancy, You may live in the bug belt, but I live near Lake Erie. We have a grand assortment of fleas, mosquitoes and ticks. ick. I worry about heartworm here as well. I will mention this to my vet and see if there is much of it around this area. Thanks, Barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:39:43 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: pooters Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net I second the care Pooters is getting. You are doing a great job, Greg. If you think its to stressful for him to go in to the vets, ask the vet if he might stop by your house on his way home to check him. All he can say is no, it never hurts to ask. barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:43:07 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Dana Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Now you people know you can't get rid of me and Merlin that easy!! Merlin is going to get a little bath tonight. He doesn't know it yet tho. He has turned into a little grease ball. Ariel, my usually hard working groomer has washed her tongue of him and turned it over to me for a while. He does well, tho, despite his lack of person hygiene. He washes what he can reach without tipping over, cute little guy. barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 17:46:33 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: FeLV Test Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Kelly, It is absolutely possible for a cat to live a long and happy live with the disease and never become sick. They call them carriers and there is always the possiblity that your cat may lick the virus also. Many cats do. barb -------------------------------------- From: chere@nwnexus.com Date sent: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 15:21:13 -0800 To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Hello Copies to: chere@smtp4.nwnexus.com Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi everyone! My name is Chere and my kitty's name is Misha. We joined the list about a week ago and this is our introductory post! Misha and I met about four years ago when I was working at an apartment complex. She was part of an 18-cat household (in a two bedroom unit, yet) whom we were trying to evict. I used to go down to the apartment and check out the situation from time to time and got to know most of the kitties and Misha (then called Pixie because she was the smallest) would always come up to me for a cuddle. Since I was such a pushover (and still am), I didn't have to give the idea of her becoming my little girl much consideration and when the time came for the eviction to be finalized, she had already taken up residence in my home. I didn't know that she was FELV until I took her to the vet and by that time we had bonded so well that I never regretted my decision! Both tests confirmed the diagnosis. That was three years ago. At present, Misha is a happy and healthy (as can be) four-year-old and so far is exhibiting no clinical signs of the disease. Her teeth, however, have always been a cause for concern both for me and the vet. She has had one dental already and the vet wants to do another because her teeth have a lot of tartar build-up. After they are cleaned, I will receive instruction on how to maintain them. The problem is that during her most recent exam the vet detected a heart murmur and is concerned about her reaction to anesthesia. She did mention that the heart murmur doesn't have anything to do with the FELV (yay!). So here come the questions. First of all, is there anything that I should be doing (as a preventative measure) to keep Misha healthy...vitamins, etc? The vet told me that as long as she is getting adequate nutrition (and trust me, she is...all 12 pounds of her!!) and is not living in a stressful situation (I am single with and am gone 13 hours a day so the stress is all mine!) I am doing the besat for her. But I have read numerous posts about different kins of herbs and vitamins and wonder if these could be of benefit to Misha. Also, is there something I could do for her teeth without having to go the route of the dental (the first one was performed at the time she was spayed so she was already under)? There was a question brought up in an earlier post...is it true that kitties can test positive for FELV and live for a long time without complications? I have been blessed so far. In four years, Misha has only given me one cause for concern--the teeth--and one minor problem, a cut hear her eyelid that was successfully treated with eyedrops. My heart goes out to all of you who's kitties are hurting. I am glad to find this group. Even though most of my firends are cat people, no one has a kitty like Misha, and even though their sentiments are in the right place, I know it's difficult for them to understand what it's like to be dealing with something like this. Even though I'm a novice and won't be able to contribute much in way of clinical expertise, please know that you receive all good thoughts and purrs from--- Your new friends in Washington State Chere and Misha Renton, Washington (home of Boeing Aircraft and close by Microsoft but I work for neither of them) -------------------------------------- Date sent: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 17:50:27 -0800 From: Dana Crow Organization: Magical Moments Preschool To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: posting others private mail re: Pooters II Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hey Larry, Thanks I tried it & it worked! Thanks I do have netscape & I did just what you said. Boy it will sure take up less space if we all do this unless we are replying to a message with a lot of important detail in it. Thanks for helping me out!!!Dana -------------------------------------- Date sent: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 17:55:10 -0800 From: Dana Crow Organization: Magical Moments Preschool To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Posting Etiquette Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Thanks Jim for clarifying that for me & others I'm sure. I really was a little confused & afraid to respond again in case I did it incorrectly. Appreciate you clarifying it for us. Dana -------------------------------------- Date sent: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 18:09:14 -0800 From: Dana Crow Organization: Magical Moments Preschool To: felvtalk@mailingList.net Subject: Merlin's Hygeine Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, Merlin sounds similar to my 2 boys(not my 4 legged ones but my 2 legged ones)!!!They don't like to wash either but it's not because they may tip over! At least I haven"t been given that excuse yet! Dana -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 21:14:04 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Posting Etiquette Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dana, Never be afraid to respond and remember the only stupid question is the one you don't ask. We don't know everything, that's for sure, but we always endevour to find the answers when we can. Barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 21:16:35 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Merlin's Hygeine Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dana, Merlin got his bath, under protest of course. He spent the next hour and half under my sweatshirt. He is now dry and I am wet. He finally concented to coming out and is sleeping on the couch with a blanket over him. I know he will feel better and he sure does smell better! Barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 21:33:06 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Hello Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Chere, Welcome to the group!! It is great to hear from someone who is coming to us early. Unfortunately, many owners don't realize their cats have felv until they become suddenly ill. Then it's much harder to deal with. First the tartar on the teeth. By any chance, does Misha only eat canned food? If so, maybe adding some dry would help keep the teeth clean. If she does eat dry, it seems four is a little young to be having teeth problems, unless maybe she had a bad kittenhood, poor nutrition or something like that. The Heart murmer....Is heartworm a problem in Washington? It is on the rise in cats here in the Midwest. One more thing to worry about. One of the symptoms is a heart murmer. BUT it is usually accompanied by other symptoms, usually asthma like breathing problems. So is she has none of those, I wouldn't worry about it. I would give her some vitamins. B12, C. A good cat vitamin prob sold by your vet might be all she needs to. That and a good quality cat food, she should be fine. At 12lbs, she sounds like she eats pretty well! I have one, Zackary, (felv neg) who I call "moose Boy" because he is 13 and half. Jet black and a lover. Nearly dead when I found him at the pound barely weighing a pound! He has made up for lost time. I also have 3 positives that are symptom free like Misha, (Duncan, Ariel and Lor) and my little Merlin. His story is way to long to get into here, but he has had his problems but the little magic man is still here with me and that's all I care about. Again, welcome aboard and there are lots of projects you could get involved in if you have time. Jim posts them from time to time, so jump into one of them. Barb -------------------------------------- Date sent: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:18:57 +0000 From: LawBet Organization: Home for Wayward Felines To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: posting others private mail re: Pooters II Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dana, You're certainly welcome. Glad I could help. I can't help many folks since I've been so fortunate in having 13 little ones and none of them felv. So I lurk and try to help in other areas. Larry (The Lurker) -------------------------------------- From: WORKPARK Date sent: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 00:20:11 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Hello Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Chere! Welcome to the list. There's lots of good resources to be found here, and a lot of info if you check the archives. Lots and lots of info. Regarding the problem with Misha's teeth - by any chance, is she Siamese? They are notorious for having bad teeth. When we got Lai-Tai (FeLV- and Siamese), she was 14 months old. I noticed she chewed funny and her breath stank. When we took her in to the vet, she needed to have her teeth cleaned - she had two abcesses, was missing a fang, two teeth fell out with the cleaning, and she is now missing between 10 and 12 teeth! We get her teeth cleaned either every 6, 9, or 12 months depending on how well she is doing. There is home care available, either you can brush her teeth with a special toothbrush and animal toothpaste, you can swab her mouth out with special pre- treated pads your vet can give you, and there is also a liquid that you can put on something to swab her mouth with. The vet also gave us some suggestions: hard food mostly, canned food kept to a minimum (she only gets a little for dinner and hard food all the time); no chewy semi-moist cat foods or treats (trust me, Lai-tai loves them even tho they are very bad for her). I also noticed recently that my vet had brochures on a new type of food: Hill's Prescription Diet t/d, "that reduces the development of plaque, stain, and tartar." It's "a special dry kibble that actually cleans teeth as your pet eats." Hill's customer affairs # is 1-800-445-5777 if you have any questions. Good luck, glad to have you here! Pam -------------------------------------- END