Wednesday March 4, 1998 9 Messages ====================================== From: Boonedagel Date sent: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 01:06:27 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Copies to: VETMED@iupui.edu, talk-aboutcats@listserv.temple.edu, wellpet@ListService.net Subject: Pooters II Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net March 3, 1998, Tuesday 9:30pm PST Hello, First, my name is greg sherrow and I am a new member. Hello all. I live in Canyon Country, CA, which is near Valencia (60 miles north of Los Angeles). I wonder if anyone might be able to help my felv+, little frail calico, Pooters II? She is losing weight and appetite. She had a "stiff legged" seizure for the first time about a week ago; she just fell over, and then recovered onto her feet in less than a minute. She drinks water constantly, then goes pee right away. She has bowel problems, or digestion problems. Often, a stool will be sticking out of her a half inch, as if she doesn't know. And often a stool will just drop off of her. Also, her nictating lids creep out a quarter to a third of the way, often. I rescued Pooters II from CBS in Hollywood nearly 3 years ago. She tested Felv+ back then. Uncertain what her true age is or how long she has been felv+. What can I do to help her appetite, and her immune system quickly and effectively? Preferably in some natural way. I think Pooters II needs a lot of help from everyone on the list as soon as possible. I am on disability, unemployed, and thus have limited resources. I know she needs help right away. I am taking her to the vet tomorrow for help. (She has a small cyst on the left side of her neck that I just noticed a month or two ago. Also, in the nearly three years that I have had her, she never went into estrus until the last year or so...maybe she wasn't healthy enough, and my care boosted her system to trigger her female cycles...I don't know. She seems so miserable when in estrus. She howls for me to come sit with her in the shed. I am afraid she is too weak for estrus cycles....and I am equally afraid she may be too weak for spaying. I don't know. Maybe Dr. Lammerding will know tomorrow.) Finally, does anyone know of a book of natural immunity boosting recipes of food, supplements, and herbs? or, commercially available, all natural, foods that are a must to give little Pooters II, to help her have a chance to strengthen back up? I need contacts, names numbers and addresses, email or otherwise, of people with these things. What about this BARF thing. Or, what about vegetarian? I need to know all this stuff, and have contacts for it. Soon. One thing regarding this raw diet thing. It is totally new to me. Does anyone have literature I may investigate about this? After your public post, if anyone will email me privately, I'll give you my address and phone. Also, Pooters II loves her canned food to be fish varieties (Friskies), when she will eat at all, lately. Does anyone have a raw fish based regimen that you could recommend for Pooters II? For dry food, she gets Nutro Max Cat Lite. (supposedly no chicken by-products) I will tell you that I have been trying to incorporate into her canned Friskies either: Felovite II, or, the whole food, organic supplement, The Missing Link For Cats, to try and help her immunity system. However, lately, if she smells her dinner having either one of these mixed in the Friskies, she will not eat it. I need to boost her naturally somehow, soon. (I have ten other cats, and two dogs that I rescued from the wild, and I also have actual wild raccoons, ravens, rabbits, squirrels, quail, dove, and other wild birds that visit me from the wild, and I wish to keep them as healthy as possible too, as my very limited budget can handle.) Look forward to hearing from you all. Thank you. Sincerely, greg sherrow -------------------------------------- From: WORKPARK Date sent: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 01:11:44 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Rissa-Tai & Neupogen Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net I should have also added to my last post that Rissa-Tai had been tested as a kitten, but came back negative, and also comes back negative twice on the ELISA test. I, as well, do not blame any of the rescue groups in the DC area, I'm greatful for having both my cats, and know the rescue leagues are doing everything they can. I'd like to thank everyone who responded regarding boosting the immune system, and we'll try what Dr. Myers has suggested. Right now, we are considering options to boost her white blood cell count, and the vet asked me to go on- line with you all and ask if anyone has had any contact/results with a drug called Neupogen, it's side effects, and if it has any adverse reactions with Immunoregulin or Interferon, as she is on both of those drugs. It's my understanding that the oncologist we are seeing next Tuesday prescribes it for animals on chemo to boost their wbc count, and we'd like to be prepared if this is an option and we don't see any improvement in her wbc count by then, or if she does need to go back on the chemo. My vet hasn't had any experience using Neupogen on FeLV+ kitties, and we'd both appreciate the input (maybe Dr. Myers' as well?). Thanks again, Pam -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:24:27 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Rissa-Tai & Neupogen Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Pam, I have given Neupogen to humans with very good results. I had one dear woman who's dr. discovered she had a WBC count <500! Normal for humans is 5-10 K. She received it everyday at first then every other and Her count came right up. Unfortunately, her Dr. thought that permantly fixed the problem and stopped giving it to her. I stopped seeing her then, and a month later saw her name in the paper in the obits. She caught a cold and was dead within 12 hrs. I guess the lesson here is, once started, depending on why the WBC is so low, they may need weekly or twice weekly shots at least to keep the count up to a safe level. Vigilant testing at first is a must. Then followups. And this drug and it's countpart Epogen are not cheap, I will warn you. The Neupogen was $100 a shot, but then a cat would not need an entire vial like a human, so you may get several shots out of one vial. I will get my drug book out tonight and write some about it from there for you to read. But it is an excellent drug, used on humans, I don't see why it wouldn't work for our cats! BArb -------------------------------------- From: Boonedagel Date sent: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:59:07 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Fwd: Pooters II boundary="part0_889019948_boundary" Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net In a message dated 98-03-04 08:57:01 EST, Boonedagel writes: << Subj: Re: Pooters II Date: 98-03-04 08:57:01 EST From: Boonedagel To: christopher.bock@MCIONE.com In a message dated 98-03-04 03:42:27 EST, you write: << Subj: Re: Pooters II Date: 98-03-04 03:42:27 EST From: christopher.bock@MCIONE.com (Christopher Bock) Reply-to: christopher.bock@MCIONE.com To: Boonedagel@aol.com (Boonedagel) Here it is: www.wysong.net email wysong@tm.net phone (Michigan) 517-631-0009 Calif. Distributor: Dr. Kenneth Hansen, 492 Noonan Ranch Lane, Santa Rosa, CA 95403 (707) 545-8394 Dr. Hansen's email: KenandEv@compuserve.com and/or Phroughy@aol.com Wysong will send a catalog and some recipes. I like their philosophy and they also develop natural nutrient and supplements for humans. Also, another product if you can't get PDG and perhaps a better one for your cat: F-Biotic (F for feline): "particularly beneficial to cats on commercial diets and those under stress: gestating, lactating, undergoing rapid growth *or debilitated from enteric, metabolic, infectious, or nutritional disease*. They will send a booklet on Fresh and Whole nutrition diets. Wysong will send you a very complete diet chart which indicates the products they mfg. and a guide for each clinical indication. For autoimmune, they list their Anergen I, II, III. I is lamb bases, II is chicken based and III is meatless. For debilitation, etc, they recommend their Nurture or Vitality and in both this and Anergen, they suggest stressing meats and organs, clean and raw or lightly cooked. There are fish meal or condensed fish solubles in their products. In PDG there is Spray Dried Digest of Fish. Here is there "enteric diet" in the booklet: 2 cups cooked brown rice 2 cups cottage cheese 2 eggs hard boiled and crumbled...or raw 2 Tbsp. F-Biotic 2 tsp. Wysong E.F.A.-(Omega-3 rich, cold processed oils which restore proper fatty acids balances and increase antiinflammatory eicosanoid metabolism) 10 drops Wysong Oxherphol - (I would think you could add a fish product to this: say a small amount of tuna; I give my cats tuna as a treat every week or so.) That should hold you until you can get some info from Wysong and product from Dr. Hansen. The PDG and the F-Biotic are easily mixed with regular diet. I have not used their mfg. diet products. If you cannot spay her due to stress of surgery, there are products to reduce or eliminate her cycles; however, she could develop a pyometra if not spayed. And I am not certain of the products; some are homeopathic, some herbal, some say they work, some say they don't. Ask your vet. Thank you again, Christopher. I am grateful for your time and interest, and the work you put in sending me this. Where is F-Biotic available? Love is all you need... Sincerely, greg sherrow -------------------------------------- From: Boonedagel Date sent: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:38:54 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Copies to: Newtanator@aol.com (Newtanator), fanciers@fanciers.com, ar-views@envirolink.org, VETMED@iupui.edu, talk-aboutcats@listserv.temple.edu, wellpet@ListService.net Subject: Re: Rissa-Tai & Neupogen Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Thank you. Has anyone out there used these drugs on felv+ kitties? Does anyone know of a source of donations of these drugs, for those without the $100 bills? greg :(......... -------------------------------------- From: "Corvus Corax" To: Subject: Adresses Date sent: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:30:40 +0100 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net To: "Boonedagel" It would be 'nice' if you could adress mails for the FeLV mailing list with FeLV. Apart from the list, I get about 30 mails a day, and usually sort them by adresses, deleting those who are none of my own or the FeLV list. With all the different adresses for the list coming up now this turns out to become a drag. Thanks RDC -------------------------------------- From: "James G. Wilson" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date sent: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:12:18 +0000 Subject: (Fwd) Re: Wuzzy Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:45:39 -0500 From: Tookie Myers Reply-to: ccmyers1@erols.com To: phaedrus@ctnet.net Subject: Re: (Fwd) Wuzzy The tests pick up viral protein. Testing done at vacination does not pick up the vaccine protein as it does not circulate in the blood. It remains at the vaccination site and attracts cells to it to stimulate the immune response. It is then eliminated from the cat as it is a killed product. M. W. Myers, D.V.M. -------------------------------------- From: "James G. Wilson" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date sent: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:28:39 +0000 Subject: (Fwd) Re: Fwd: Pooters II Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "Tammy Kennedy" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:19:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Fwd: Pooters II Greg, I purchased F-Biotic from my vet. If you are unable to locate it in your area, email me privately with your address and I will send you some.. My email address is: tkenned1@tssc.com Thanks, TK -------------------------------------- Date sent: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 20:03:49 -0800 From: Aleta Clayton To: "felvtalk@MailingList.net" , "rescue-cat@MyList.net" Subject: LIVING WITH FeLV-FIV Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi all -- Peacock's Friends get so many queries from people about FeLV-FIV (often confusing them) that I've just put up a new webpage http://www.wizard.net/~peaocock/fivfelv.htm It includes about 28 links to more detailed info but I intend it as an introduction that "thinks positively." Any comments or corrections appreciated. Aleta -- Peacock's Friends: connecting homeless cats and human friends in the Washington DC area at http://www.wizard.net/~peacock/home.htm -------------------------------------- END