Wednesday February 25, 1998 Part 3 15 Messages ====================================== Date sent: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:25:23 -0500 From: Kathy To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: New Address Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Everyone, Hope all the kitties are doing ok. I have a new address so if anyone would like it, here it is: meowmama@bellsouth.net > > Kathy G and the 3 Furries in Daytona Beach =^.^= - Rusty =^.^= - Smokey =^.^= - Money See us at: http://cgi.gambitsys.com/homey/webdoc5.htm The Cat: Mother Nature's Masterpiece! -------------------------------------- From: "Steve Lackow" To: Subject: Re: Interferon Strength Date sent: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:54:12 -0800 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net >Did you buy this from your vet? If so, you'll have to ask him/her how many units were ordered. >Yup. 1cc of interferon in 100cc's LRS. Thanks Jim. -- Steve -------------------------------------- From: "Irene" To: "felvtalk" Subject: Regular shelters vs No-kill shelters Date sent: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:46:05 -0700 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net I wanted to see what opinion was on this subject. A "Regular" Shelter, such as a Pound or large city Humane Society, will accept every animal that comes to their door. The animals are kept for a limited time, the friendlier ones are usually put up for adoption (depending on the volume of animals arriving at the shelter), the unfriendly ones (sometimes through fear alone) and those with any health problems or special needs are usually euthanized without going up for adoption. This means the shelter concentrates on keeping only the most adoptable ones. Room for more and money to care for them all is maintained by euthanizing. Euthanizia is unfortunately necessary because a Shelter that accepts all who come cannot keep everyone indefinately. The positives about this type of Shelter are that no animal that comes in is turned away, thus preventing them from living a cruel life on the streets as a stray or being abandoned, and the animal then has a chance of being adopted into a loving new home. A higher volume of animals are "saved" this way. A No-Kill Shelter (in the real sense of the word) cannot say yes to everyone, and many animals are thusly turned away. This type of Shelter makes a committment to the individual animals that they are able to accept, that the animal will not be euthanized if it is not adopted or if it has a medical condition that it can be treated for and live a quality life. There are many variations of a "No-Kill" shelter, but this is the type that I am focusing on in this message. No-Kill shelters usually cannot accept ferals or unadoptable animals, as they would fill up quickly and be unable to continue operation. Having animals adopted out is what leaves room for another to be taken in. Unless a no-kill shelter is truly huge and has a great deal of land on which to build and the ability to expand, it is bound by space and money constraints. The end result is, the animal turned away by a No-Kill Shelter may be put down anyway or abandoned. Fewer animals are helped as a result, because the number coming in is much less. But a true no-kill shelter will commit to providing the best quality of life it can for the ones it can accept. What are your opinions on these 2 types of shelters? Should we (the public) concentrate on one and not the other? Is there room for both? Is one just plain wrong? Is one wasting it's time and money? Your honest opinions are solicited. Irene -------------------------------------- From: "James G. Wilson" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date sent: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:27:47 +0000 Subject: Re: Regular shelters vs No-kill shelters Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hey everyone, Please respond to this message to Irene personally. Although the points and questions she raises are important and interesting, this topic does not directly relate to FeLV treatments and such. I realize that she's making a point about the ability of shelters to keep FeLV+ kitties without euthanizing them, but the volume on this list is already approaching high levels. Irene, please let us know the results of your inquiry because it IS an important issue. Have you raised this issue with any cat rescue lists? If so, what have you found out from them? Thanks for everyone's cooperation here. In loving memory of Vyvyan: March 20, 1988 - August 15, 1997 James G. Wilson phaedrus@ctnet.net, phaedrus69@hotmail.com, felv@angelfire.com http://www.angelfire.com/il/felv/ http://www.litchfieldil.com/members/phaedrus/ http://www.fortunecity.com//skyscraper/sterling/20/niu.html -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:34:38 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Meeko mending?? Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dana So glad the news was good. Is it distemper he is thinking of? Panleukopenia? All day I was wondering what it could have been. Rat poison some people set out, carelessly, has warfarin in it. It is a blood thinner and the rats that eat it, bleed to death. Nice, huh, even for a rat. But it sounds like the worst is over. The little ones, you prob should mention it to your vet, just to be sure, about the blood in the stools. Could be nothing, or parasites. Are they on any antibiotics? Merlin was on them for weeks and he started having bloody stools. I stopped them immed and the bleeding stopped. He has had none since. barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:36:13 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Interferon Strength Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Steve, Your interferon is in Lactated Ringers Solution?? I thought the sugars would destoy it. That is why Normal Saline was used. barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:48:02 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Interferon Strength Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Jim, Steve Since this is a human drug, basically, I don't know of any vial coming is smaller amounts than 3million units in one cc. It is not specially packaged by the manufacturer for animal use or doses. barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:50:25 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Saying "Good-Bye"... Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Irene, That is one thing that doesn't get a lot better. Each loss brings back our own. But that is the way of it. barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:52:51 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Stinker Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net all the "stuff" for stinker brought a smile to my face. I have on entire cupboard full of cat stuff. everything from simple cat nip to homeopathic meds, vitamins, weight on powders. you name it. I guess we are birds of a feather. barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:57:46 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: (Fwd) Michele's friend, Shawna Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Shawna, We never understand why things happen the way they do. Is it part of some great scheme? Why out of all the homeless, unwanted cats did ours, who was loved, have to die? You can go crazy trying to figure it all out. Remember the good times, smile when you think of him and someday, your eyes will meet some new little one, and you will know that your angel has brought it to you to love and care for. barb -------------------------------------- From: "Steve Lackow" To: Subject: Re: Interferon Strength Date sent: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:14:07 -0800 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Thanks so much Barb. Confirmed 30 units per cc. Tech wrote on bag, "1 cc inteferon in 100cc LRS", hence confusion. Probably stronger taste from fresh LRS. -- Steve -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:06:20 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Heart worm curable??? Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dana, No, the treatment for dogs is fatal to cats. You have to treat the symptoms as they come up and hope the cat can kill the worm itself, which they can do. But they need time, about 2 years, according to Michigan State Un. Most problems are cardiac and Respiratory. Barb -------------------------------------- From: "Steve Lackow" To: Subject: Re: Interferon Strength Date sent: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:15:23 -0800 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Yes, LRS. Do you see any problems with that? -- Steve -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:11:33 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Interferon Strength Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Steve, From the Nurses Code: If you didn't draw it up, don't give it. It you aren't sure what it is, don't give it, throw it away and start over. Trust your cat, she knows it's different. I really think you got 3 million in that vial. And I question the use of LR also. Barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator@aol.com Date sent: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:15:55 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: hair analysis Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net someone on the list asked me privately about the fur analysis Merlin had done. I think I have lost who it was. Sorry, can you resend to me privately? barb -------------------------------------- END OF PART 3: See Part 4 at: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/8025/9802254.txt