Monday February 2, 1998 Part 3 15 Messages ====================================== Date sent: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:28:03 -0500 From: Tookie Myers To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Only if it contains aloe vera gel as the main ingredient. A health food store product is best. If the aloe vera plant is not processed properly you do not get the benefits it normally can provide. M. W. Myers, D.V.M. -------------------------------------- Subject: Immunity/Titre/Vaccination Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 98 17:32:14 -0500 From: George Molnar To: Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net I would like to thank everyone for the informative dialogue on Immunity/Titre/Vaccination over the past few days. It is often difficult to find an effective communication position between the "well, my cat never ..." and the sometimes necessary details of the immune response. I would like to pose a question, straightforward but not as simple as it seems: What does the titre actually mean? Specifically, what does the FIP titre test result indicate? For a moment, let's assume: accurate and consistent lab procedures; calibrated equipment; uncontaminated samples; valid and reliable test procedures; specific and sensitive test procedures; everything is perfect. And let's also assume away, the confounding effect of other corona viruses, e.g. FeCV. The results come back, and for sake of discussion, while they are quantitative, we can consider them to be in three interval ranges: Low, say up to 100, Medium, say up to 800, and High, say over 800. My dilemma is that, say for a low reading, I can not logically distinguish between: 1. the cat has never been exposed to the virus 2. the cat's response it "not what it should be", and 3. the cat's immune system is compromised and can not produce the necessary antibodies. And it is further complicated by whether or not the cat has been vaccinated against FIP! There are similar paradoxes for the medium and high readings also. If anyone can "shed" any light on resolving this, I would appreciate it. Be seeing you George Molnar for pachy mailto:pachy@earthlink.net Pachy's Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~pachy -------------------------------------- Subject: Re: new kittens Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 98 17:32:02 -0500 From: George Molnar To: Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net > This is a cat whose bloodwork was not only >bad, at first we thought he had FIP--I was considering putting him down >before Christmas since he was steadily going downhill. I am very interested in who "thought he had FIP" and what this was based upon. Thank you Be seeing you George Molnar for pachy mailto:pachy@earthlink.net Pachy's Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~pachy -------------------------------------- Date sent: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:41:20 -0500 From: Tookie Myers To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Immunity/Titre/Vaccination Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net It would be wonderful if someone could shed light on this, but, to date there is no definitive test for FIP. If the cat has clinical signs and fluid can be obtained from the chest or abdomen, some test may indicate whether FIP is present and active. FIP carriers and exposed cats that have cleared themselves of the disease are a diagnostic dilemma. M. W. Myers, D.V.M. -------------------------------------- Date sent: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:50:40 -0500 From: Tookie Myers To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Upper Resp. Infections Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net These viruses can be carried in your own cats and when one gets a little stressed the virus can resurface. M. W. Myers, D.V.M. -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator@aol.com Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:40:43 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Immunity/Titre/Vaccination Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net George, This is one for Dr. Myers, but I can tell you, there is no vacination for FIP. Barb -------------------------------------- Date sent: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:07:47 -0500 From: Tookie Myers To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Immunity/Titre/Vaccination Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, there is a vaccine for FIP. It is intranasal and used when cats are at risk for the infection. It does not exacerbate disease symptoms as some believe because it does not target that portion of the immune system that causes the symptoms. M. W. Myers, D.V.M. -------------------------------------- From: "Lynn Stickels" To: "felvtalk" Subject: nausea and vomiting......... Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:19:43 -0800 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Any suggestions out there on how to relieve nausea and vomiting??? -------------------------------------- Date sent: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:23:21 -0500 From: Tookie Myers To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: nausea and vomiting......... Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Generally, all food and water is withdrawn and fluids are given intravenously for 24 hours. Centrine (aminopentamide) is given via injection or chlorpromazine or an antihistamine is used. These are given by injection. The possible cause of the vomitting needs to be assessed to determine the best way to stop it. Do you have an idea of the cause? M. W. Myers, D.V.M. -------------------------------------- From: "Lynn Stickels" To: "felvtalk" Subject: re: nausea and vomiting Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:46:11 -0800 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Stinker, my kitty, has always had problems with nausea and vomiting. I just assumed that it was because of the leukemia and the severe ginivitis. It ususally starts at the beginning of his "going down" periods. I have used Zantax before with no results. -------------------------------------- From: DLMLLM@aol.com Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:07:48 EST To: Felvtalk@mailinglist.net Subject: Russian Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net To all my new friends. Russian get a whole workup now. Blood work okay, kidneys and liver good. Had X-Rays done to. She has a little fluid in her one lung they are testing. I hate to think of all the tests, she really hates vets. But this new one supports the herbs, new medicines and all. Everyone here is so good to talk to. I feel for so many of you going through the hell of sick animals, knowing that you will be loosing your friends. I think the only thing we can do for animals or people alike is to make their days as comfortable and happy as we can. Over the years we have had so many animals, had to give some away, lost a dog to cancer I did not know he had. I'm not overly religious but I do believe in something after we die. And I hope when we go all our old pets are waiting for us there. Russian only has the bad tooth, but if I had listened to my old vet she would have been put away today. I think people like us should try to educate those who do listen to the vets who give them no alternatives, because they know no better. How do we do this? Some of you want to rally a little to spread the word. And thanks especially to Kelly, Barb,Natalie, and Belinda for the nice messages. I really like this web site. Linda -------------------------------------- Date sent: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:32:46 -0500 From: Tookie Myers To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Russian Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Word of mouth is the best advertisement there is. Simply tell a friend and ask them to tell two people. Sort of "MLM" for information. M. W. Myers, D.V.M. -------------------------------------- From: DLMLLM@aol.com Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:47:25 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Russian Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net I think not just word of mouth, a few letters in the right places could help to. Thanks doc. Linda -------------------------------------- Date sent: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:57:53 -0500 From: Tookie Myers To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: nausea and vomiting Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Give me a little more data on when he vomits (what time frame after a meal), what he vomits (bile or food), and how often he vomits. Is he able to hold food down? Does he react to any certain foods? Can he hold down water. Personally, I am not a big proponent of Tagamet (cimetidine) or Zantac (ranitidine) as they can cause as many problems as they appear to solve. M. W. Myers, D.V.M. -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator@aol.com Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:07:32 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Upper Resp. Infections Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Thanks Dr. Myers. Dexter was neutered last week, I had forgotten about it already. He prob was stressed then, or even picked it up there. Of course, I would think Merlin is stressed most of the time. You know his history. Barb -------------------------------------- END OF PART 3: See Part 4 at: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/9802024.txt