Friday January 16, 1998 Part 1 15 Messages ====================================== From: LadyL87709 To: PUFFERINO@aol.com Subject: Re: Hi Date sent: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:29:04 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) I have found a paper here that says that the ELISA test CAN be 50% INACCURATE---the reason they give is because it has mouse antigen in it ,that it is made with and the cat can be allergic to the components of the test itself,causing it to read positive,when in actuality the cat is negative.The Western Blot is 100% accurate.There are only 3 labs in the country that are able to do this test,though.This opens up Alot of questions,does it not?How many positive cats are actually negative?And if these cats are negative and given to someone who actually does have a sick cat--then they too shall eventually be sick.And if testing negative does not necessarily mean that your cat is not sick--then how many other cats can be infected by this false reading?I think this whole matter needs looking into---I can only relay my recent experience which has led me to find out some interesting facts about the normal vet test.I know what the false readings did to me---I literally got sick over the thought of losing my cat.Now I wonder how many false readings others have gotten??????? -------------------------------------- From: PUFFERINO Date sent: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 05:10:53 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Rescued FELV+ Cat needs home Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi, Someone in my local animal league rescued a 9 month old female cat from a factory fire. She is very affectionate and loves to sit on your shoulder and purr. She is asymptomatic but is living alone in a basement. The rescuer does not want to send her to a "leukemia hospice." and is hoping that someone wants her as a companion to their positive cat, or for the only cat in a household. The cat is in the NYC area, but I believe that she can be transported if a good home can be found. Thank you, Joan -------------------------------------- From: macat@webtv.net (belinda sauro) Date sent: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 02:42:54 -0800 To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Rescued FELV+ Cat needs home Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi, I read your message about the Elisa test being only 50% accurate. I have had my Bailey tested atleast 3 times, I beleve all 3 tests where the Elisa tests, is it possible it could have been wrong all 3 times? Happiness is being owned by cats... www.angelfire.com/ma/macat5 http://members.tripod.com/~macat5/index5.html -------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:07:58 -0600 From: "Stacy & Mike B." To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Elisa test Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net When we had Piggy tested the first time, they did an Elisa. It was negative. My vet still suspected FeLV so he did an IFA, it was strong positive. When I had Piggy's sister, Grace, tested I didn't bother with the Elisa I just had them do the IFA. It was weak positive. I've had some strays tested and I had the IFA done on them too. I don't trust the Elisa. Stacy Grace and Gabby -------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:50:05 -0500 To: felvtalk@MailingList.net From: olivia gostanian Subject: Re: GREAT news about Lovejoy! Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, Thanks for looking up antihistamines and their effects. I can certainly vouch for this side effect at least in my cattenheimerpapenfutz. Fortunately, each day, his pee probs are becoming a little less and I'm hopeful they'll fade out entirely within another week or so. I am really sorry to read that little Merlin is not eating and hope that this will change asap. I know how much you love him through your posts and I'll be thinking of you both with hope for a positive change throughout the 3 day weekend. Please keep us updated as I know you will, and remember throughout all this there are many people who care deeply about you and Merlin. Sincerely, Olivia -------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:14:21 -0600 (CST) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: GREAT news about Lovejoy! Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Olivia, Am overjoyed to hear the outcome for you and Lovejoy! Nancy -------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:15:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Belinda on Sasha Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Carol, So HAPPY to hear Sasha is doing so well! You both are in my thoughts! Nancy -------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:18:11 -0600 (CST) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Steve Re: Sasha Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Carol, Had to say one more thing! Good for you for having the assertiveness to "inform" your vet! It sounds like you've made quite an impression on him--you've helped "educate" him! Nancy -------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:28:38 -0600 (CST) From: "Nancy A. Schmall" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Merlin Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb, My Jake did not improve in his blood work until he was taking 5 mg. every other day. My vet let me choose this protocol and having read some info on (at least human consumption of Prednisone), I learned that once a day in the a.m. when the body produces its own cortisone is the best time. Also every other day will not affect the immune system as much. After a month his blood work was much improved. He is also on interferon and immunoregulin (and Pet Tinnic and Vit. C). A month later his blood work is so improved and he is eating and playing, that we are experimenting with 2.5 mg. every other day. My first goal is at all possible to get him off prednisone. It is a great TEMPORARY drug (of courrse some poor little guys to be on it for the remainder of their lives and I respect that if their "quality" is good). I've also read that Anitra Frazier ("The Natural Cat") feels a goldenseal solution can "account possibly" for part of the prednisone in some cats. My vet gives me a type of antihistamine that induces appetite and doesn't seem to have to be used very often--chlorpheniramine. My thoughts are with you and Merlin! Nancy -------------------------------------- From: "Steve Lackow" To: Subject: Re: Rescued FELV+ Cat needs home Date sent: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:01:58 -0800 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Belinda, not only can the Elisa be wrong, it often is wrong. Not only that, the IFA can be wrong too, but is usually OK. We had to do the bone marrow on Chloe to find FeLV because the virus was in her bone marrow where the RBCs are produced. -- Steve -------------------------------------- From: "Steve Lackow" To: Subject: Re: Merlin Date sent: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:16:20 -0800 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Jim, the plot (and the chicken fat in the soup) thickens. The other thing I have been giving Chloe about once a week or so is salmon skin, high in fish oil, which seems to jive with the article citation you passed along. Definitely going to look into this more. -- Steve -------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:27:03 -0500 From: Jenn Organization: The Chubb Corporation To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Merlin Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Barb: My vet has prescribed Chloe to take 1mL twice a day. But, because I'm pretty scared of the drug, i've been giving him 1 mL once a day. The kick in the butt is that he has to eat with it,but desperate times call for desperate measures. Chloe had eaten ***very*** shortly after I gave it to him. He chowed down a whole can of A/D!! Good luck. jenn -------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:47:25 -0500 From: Jenn Organization: The Chubb Corporation To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Rescued FELV+ Cat needs home Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net PUFFERINO wrote: > > Hi, Someone in my local animal league rescued a 9 month old female cat from a > factory fire. She is very affectionate and loves to sit on your shoulder and > purr. She is asymptomatic but is living alone in a basement. The rescuer does > not want to send her to a "leukemia hospice." and is hoping that someone wants > her as a companion to their positive cat, or for the only cat in a household. > The cat is in the NYC area, but I believe that she can be transported if a > good home can be found. Thank you, Joan Joan: i'm sorry to ask this, but all this is new to me - what's asymptomatic mean? jenn -- Jennifer Crocus mailto:jcrocus@chubb.com The Chubb Corporation http://www.chubb.com/ -------------------------------------- From: "phaedrus" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date sent: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:17:45 +0000 Subject: Ambratose and FeLV Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi all- especially those in the Dallas, Oregon area, I just received an e-mail from a woman in Tennesee who claims (well her sponsor claims, anyway) that a substance called "Ambratose" works well on FeLV+ kitties. She gave me the name of a vet in Dallas, OR to contact about this subject. Dr. Bob Anderson in Dallas, OR at (503) 623-8318 Could someone out in that area be kind enough to call this vet and ask him about all of this and report back to the list on your findings? My financial situation is such that I can't afford long distance calls like that during the day (or night for that matter). Anyway, I'll look forward to hearing from someone on this possible treatment. Take care, and best of luck. In loving memory of Vyvyan: March 20, 1988 - August 15, 1997 James G. Wilson phaedrus@ctnet.net , phaedrus69@hotmail.com , phaedrus69@juno.com, felv@angelfire.com http://www.angelfire.com/il/felv/ http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/sterling/20/tribute.html http://www.litchfieldil.com/members/phaedrus/ http://www.fortunecity.com//skyscraper/sterling/20/niu.html http://www.wapd.org/points/jgwilson.html -------------------------------------- Date sent: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:30:02 -0800 From: "Linda [Catlady]" Organization: Whisker Sitters To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Acemannan Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Everyone; This is what I found in Kirks Current Veterinary Therapy XII on Acemannan on page 553. Acemannan (Acemannan Immunostimulant,Carrington Laboratories) is a chemically defined B-(1,4)-linked mannan-based polysaccaride derived from the Aloe barbadensis miller plant. It stimulates the release of IL-la,IL-6, TNF-a, and prostaglandin E2 from macrophages, resulting in tumor apoptosis and necrosis. Other actions include enhancement of macrophage phagocytosis and nonspecific cytotoxicity, and interference with glucosidase I activity (leading to the production of abnormal glycoproteins by neoplastic cells, which appears to be associated with tumor cell death). Direct antiviral activity has also been described. This effect is associated with modified glycosylation of both viral infected cells and glycoprotein coats of viruses, leading to inhibition of virus replication and inactivity. Acemannan is licensed for the treatment of fibrosarcoma in dogs and cats. Intratumoral injection is followed by tumor encapsulation, necrosis and death, facilitating surgical excision. The dosage regimen is 2mg injected into the tumor mass and 1 mg/kg IP weekly for 6 weeks. Rapid expansion of the tumor due to cystic fluid accumulation should be expected, and surgical removal of the mass is recommended when tumor delineation or necrosis occurs. No adverse effects of acemannan have been reported at the recommended dosage. Other responding tumors include squamous cell carcinoma, cutaneous histiocytoma, myxosarcoma, adenocarcinoma, lymphoma, mast cell tumor, and infiltrating lipoma (Harris et al.,1991). Acemannan has been used to treat cats with FeLV and feline immunodeficiency virus (FIV) infections. Clinically affected cats with FeLV or FIV infections treated with acemannan had improved quality of life and longer survival times compared to historical controls (Sheets et al.,1991; Yates et al., 1992); however, a placebo-controlled prospective study has not been published. Interestingly, oral administration of acemannan appeared to have the same efficacy as did parenteral administration; similar findings have been reported in FeLV-infected cats given oral rHuIFN-a. Hope this helps Jim......what I wouldn't give for a scanner at times! :) From what I gathered the rHuIFN-a is interferon, at least thats what I think. I still have not diluted out my interferon....have not heard much from the people on the list that are using it! So can someone Please tell me what you are all using as far as per units nasally? Thanks Linda (catlady) -------------------------------------- END OF PART 1: SEE PART 2 AT: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/9801162.txt