Thursday January 15, 1998 Part 2 15 Messages ====================================== From: Newtanator Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:46:58 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: GREAT news about Lovejoy! Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Olivia, I did look up antihistamines and they can cause both urinary retension and urinary frequency and urgency, depending on the patient. Didn't explain why, but they obviously do something to the bladder. Something we may want to keep in mind when giving human drugs to our cats. They don't always work the way we hope they will. Barb -------------------------------------- From: "phaedrus" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:08:49 +0000 Subject: Re: question Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi Jenn, Barb, all, > I think if you have your vet call the number posted on our site > for acemannan they will talk to him and give him info and answer his > questions. They will not speak to a non-vet. Here is the name and address of the place Jenn needs to have her vet call for info and acquisition of Acemannan. Jenn, be sure to have your vet ask for Dr. Yates. Carrington Labs 1-800-255-4223 2001 Walnut Hill Lane Irving, Tx 75038 WARNING: This next bit may be a bit gory. >From what I've read, when dealing with these tumors, researchers have injected Acemannan directly into the tumor. A week (or so) later, they remove the tumor, and it has become hollow inside- a great clue that Acemannan has killed the tumor and stopped it from spreading. I hope this info is of some help to y'all. Linda, does your vet book have any descriptions of Acemannan like the one you posted about Interferon? Take care, and best wishes to all. In loving memory of Vyvyan: March 20, 1988 - August 15, 1997 James G. Wilson phaedrus@ctnet.net , phaedrus69@hotmail.com , phaedrus69@juno.com, felv@angelfire.com http://www.angelfire.com/il/felv/ http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/sterling/20/tribute.html http://www.litchfieldil.com/members/phaedrus/ http://www.fortunecity.com//skyscraper/sterling/20/niu.html http://www.wapd.org/points/jgwilson.html -------------------------------------- From: "Steve Lackow" To: Subject: Re: Merlin Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:19:53 -0800 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Try feeding small amounts of a favorite or treat food by hand with a tongue depressor. As I wrote Jim the other day, I believe chicken fat to be the secret ingredient stimulating my cat's appetite. As for Pred, one dose right now could be very important, but I don't know what the protocol is. It's the longtime use of Pred to beware. Time to visualize Merlin walking again! We'll be thinking of you tonight. -- Steve -------------------------------------- From: "phaedrus" To: , felvtalk@MailingList.net Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:30:31 +0000 Subject: Re: Merlin Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hey Steve, Barb, all, About the prednisone. I remember Vyvyan was given 5 mg doses twice a day for 5 days after an injection of a cortisone (I don't know if it was pred. or not). Then, the protocol called for once a day for the next 10 days- Vyvyan didn't last that long, though :(. Barb, remember, you must be very careful with this stuff. By giving Merlin pred., you could be opening up the door to opportunistic diseases that may already be in his body- the inner ear infection springs to mind. As always, consult with your vet before administering these perscription drugs. > Time to visualize Merlin walking again! We'll be thinking of you tonight. I definitely second this wonderful thought. Take care, and keep us posted on Merlin's progress. Talk to y'all soon. PS: Steve, you're right about the chicken fat as a benefit to FeLV+ kitties. In loving memory of Vyvyan: March 20, 1988 - August 15, 1997 James G. Wilson phaedrus@ctnet.net , phaedrus69@hotmail.com , phaedrus69@juno.com, felv@angelfire.com http://www.angelfire.com/il/felv/ http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/sterling/20/tribute.html http://www.litchfieldil.com/members/phaedrus/ http://www.fortunecity.com//skyscraper/sterling/20/niu.html http://www.wapd.org/points/jgwilson.html -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:04:08 -0600 From: "Stacy & Mike B." To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: GREAT news about Lovejoy! Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Olivia, I'm so glad to hear the good news about Lovejoy!! Take care, Stacy Grace and Gabby -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:13:12 -0600 From: "Stacy & Mike B." To: "felvtalk@MailingList.net" Subject: FeLV in California looking for home Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hello everyone, I mentioned this kitty a few days ago and Marina (Cat-Lady) also sent a message to the list. Marina has not been able to locate a home yet for this positive cat. He is currently living outside and I believe he will be euthanized if a home is not found very soon. If anyone has any suggestions of how to help or anyone in that area of the country would like to adopt this kitty, please e-mail me personally or on the list. I will be happy to put you in contact with Marina. Thanks!! Stacy -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:14:04 -0500 From: Andrew and Paula Sherrod To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Merlin Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Dear Barb, I am so very sorry to hear about Merlin. He has been through hell-at least he has you to help him. As you know, our George has been taking Pred for about 3 months (in conjunction with Immunoregulin and Interferon). She started at 5mg of Predsolone(?don't know if that has an antibiotic like Delta AlbaPlex) two times per day. We reduced her to 1/2 a 5mg pill 2x per day and now she is on only 1/2 5mg pill once per day. She is doing so very well. She's not having her blood checked until March so I don't know about her RBC count but it has got to be normal! She's so perky and alive. She hasn't put on much weight (only about 1 pound) but her appetite is great and she weighs almost 9 pounds (she's not a food hound like her cohorts). I was frightened about using Pred before but I really think it helped George. It always depends on the cat-some things work for some and some work for others. I strongly recommend trying it-certainly can't hurt. Let me know what you decide -our prayers are with you and Merlin. Paula -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:20:04 -0800 From: "Linda [Catlady]" Organization: Whisker Sitters To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Drugs/upper respiratory Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hello Everyone; There seems to be some discrepancy with my vet about the dosage of interferon, how many units per cc. She called and talked to someone in immumilogy today at Colorado State University. They told her that to do any good at all nasally it has to be 25,000 units......a long way from the 30units everyone has been talking about! Also the rate for injection is 10,000 units per pound, in other words a ten pound cat would get 100,000 units per day S.Q. I am also curious if any of you have a vet by the name of Dr. Sweet? Reason I asked is that this Doctor also had a call in today to Colorado State University with the same questions that my vet asked! The other thing my vet is having me try is Synotic Otic solution with .53cc (Just a little over 1/2cc)of Climadycin antibiotic added and one drop placed in each nostril daily a few hours before using the interferon. I was told it could also be used in the ears for chronic ear infections. Have any of you ever heard of this? The Synotic has DMSO in it as a carrying agent. I'm a little nervious about using that high a dose (25,000) units nasally when all of you talk about only using 30 units. Linda (catlady) -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:37:48 -0800 From: "Linda [Catlady]" Organization: Whisker Sitters To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: chlorpheniramine Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Olivia; According to the Veterinary Drug Handbook, chlorpheniramine has the following Contraindictions/Precautions: Chlorpheniramine is contradicted in patients who are hypersensitive to it and other antihistamines in it's class. Because of there anticholinergic activity, antihistamines should be used with caution in patients with angla closure glaucoma, prostatic hypertrophy, pyloroduodenal or bladder neck obstruction and COPD if mucosal secretions are a problem. Additionally, they should be cautiously used in patients with hyperthyroidism, cardiovascular disease or hypertension. Adverse effects/Warnings: Most commonly seen adverse effects are CNS depression (lethargy, somnolence) and GI effects (diarrhea, vomiting, anexorexia). The sedative effects of antihistamines may diminish with time. Anticholinergic effects (dry mouth, urinary retention) are a possibility. Hope this helps Linda (catlady) -------------------------------------- From: "phaedrus" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:32:46 +0000 Subject: (Fwd) Re: Merlin Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi everyone, This is a message from Rena that bounced back to me. Remember folks, you can only send mail to this list from the mailing address to which you are subscribed. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Reply-To: From: "Corvus Corax" To: "Newtanator" Cc: Subject: Re: Merlin Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:25:02 +0100 Barb, just read about Merlin in this FeLV mailing list - do you still give him Nux Vomica and Veratrum Album? Both should be good for strength and appetite, both had helped Charlie. Then, take the nutrient paste you have - NutriCal or CaloPet or what ever - it has all what the baby needs. Will ask Pony tomorrow for more advice, it's too late by now. Please, forget about Prednisone! I know it's not a popular opinion, but that shit is a killer! Down here it's a saying that Prednisone is thrown after the owner when nothing else helps and the vet it at all wits end. It makes the cat feel better for a while and then it's dead, the side effects are fatal. Try with goodie food, chicken or fish, whatever his faves are, use some tricks like let him eat with you on the table or take some bites in your mouth and chew it and then give it to him. This way I dragged Charlie thru' for almost 14 days, when he refused any eating at all - and he survived with that. The result was a spoilt brat who refused eating on the floor later on, but who the hell cares if only the furry survives? Rena --------------------End of Forwarded Message------------------------- In loving memory of Vyvyan: March 20, 1988 - August 15, 1997 James G. Wilson phaedrus@ctnet.net , phaedrus69@hotmail.com , phaedrus69@juno.com, felv@angelfire.com http://www.angelfire.com/il/felv/ http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/sterling/20/tribute.html http://www.litchfieldil.com/members/phaedrus/ http://www.fortunecity.com//skyscraper/sterling/20/niu.html http://www.wapd.org/points/jgwilson.html From: "phaedrus" To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:32:46 +0000 Subject: (Fwd) Re: Merlin Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Hi everyone, This is a message from Rena that bounced back to me. Remember folks, you can only send mail to this list from the mailing address to which you are subscribed. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Reply-To: From: "Corvus Corax" To: "Newtanator" Cc: Subject: Re: Merlin Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:25:02 +0100 Barb, just read about Merlin in this FeLV mailing list - do you still give him Nux Vomica and Veratrum Album? Both should be good for strength and appetite, both had helped Charlie. Then, take the nutrient paste you have - NutriCal or CaloPet or what ever - it has all what the baby needs. Will ask Pony tomorrow for more advice, it's too late by now. Please, forget about Prednisone! I know it's not a popular opinion, but that shit is a killer! Down here it's a saying that Prednisone is thrown after the owner when nothing else helps and the vet it at all wits end. It makes the cat feel better for a while and then it's dead, the side effects are fatal. Try with goodie food, chicken or fish, whatever his faves are, use some tricks like let him eat with you on the table or take some bites in your mouth and chew it and then give it to him. This way I dragged Charlie thru' for almost 14 days, when he refused any eating at all - and he survived with that. The result was a spoilt brat who refused eating on the floor later on, but who the hell cares if only the furry survives? Rena --------------------End of Forwarded Message------------------------- In loving memory of Vyvyan: March 20, 1988 - August 15, 1997 James G. Wilson phaedrus@ctnet.net , phaedrus69@hotmail.com , phaedrus69@juno.com, felv@angelfire.com http://www.angelfire.com/il/felv/ http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/sterling/20/tribute.html http://www.litchfieldil.com/members/phaedrus/ http://www.fortunecity.com//skyscraper/sterling/20/niu.html http://www.wapd.org/points/jgwilson.html -------------------------------------- From: "Steve Lackow" To: Subject: Re: Merlin Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:21:40 -0800 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net >PS: Steve, you're right about the chicken fat as a benefit to FeLV+ kitties. Jim, how do you know? -- Steve -------------------------------------- Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:16:03 -0500 From: Jean Wells Organization: Dacus Library To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: chlorpheniramine Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Linda [Catlady] wrote: > Olivia; > > According to the Veterinary Drug Handbook, chlorpheniramine has the > following Contraindictions/Precautions: > > Chlorpheniramine is contradicted in patients who are hypersensitive to > it > and other antihistamines in it's class. Because of there > anticholinergic > activity, antihistamines should be used with caution in patients with > angla closure glaucoma, prostatic hypertrophy, pyloroduodenal or > bladder > neck obstruction and COPD if mucosal secretions are a problem. > Additionally, they should be cautiously used in patients with > hyperthyroidism, cardiovascular disease or hypertension. > Adverse effects/Warnings: Most commonly seen adverse effects are CNS > depression (lethargy, somnolence) and GI effects (diarrhea, vomiting, > anexorexia). The sedative effects of antihistamines may diminish with > time. Anticholinergic effects (dry mouth, urinary retention) are a > possibility. > > Hope this helps > Linda (catlady) I'll second the part about "lethargy, somnolence and anorexia" When my little guy TK first started going rapidly downhill last August, my regular vet wasn't available and her replacement tried this as an appetite stimulant. It didn't work, the opposite, in fact. A frantic call back to the vet led to an immediate change to Pettinic (sp?) which had worked for Chloe when her appetite wasn't good. (Unfortunately, he was in crisis already and couldn't be saved.) But all the vets there agreed that the Chlorpheniramine could be useful, it just wasn't the right thing for him at the time. Jean -- Jean Wells wellsj@winthrop.edu Reference Librarian 803-323-4501 (V) Dacus Library 803-323-3285 (F) Winthrop University Rock Hill, SC, 29733 "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." Robert Wilensky -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:35:20 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Drugs/upper respiratory Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Jim, We really need to look into this way of giving Interferon. Was this the Vet school your vet was talking to in Colorado? There is a huge difference I will agree. Most interesting. Barb -------------------------------------- From: Newtanator Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:48:17 EST To: felvtalk@MailingList.net Subject: Re: Merlin Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net Thanks to all again for the help. I have his favorites on hand, cooked chicken thighs. (He, like me, thinks the white meat is to dry) tuna, some baby food, chicken fat, (I always save the juice when I cook the chicken.)His Nutri Cal and the homeopathic meds. Merlin is walking, he's just not eating very well. I am considering the possiblity of a transfusion if one is needed, but he was not anemic a week ago. Just in case I have his donor all picked out. Zackary, who, nearly dead when I brought him home and weighing less than a pound, now tips the scales at 13 and half lbs. He is my big healthy "moose- boy". And felv negative! I will hold off on the steriods. They do scare me so after what happened to Kallie. But she was given a long lasting shot and there was no way to get it out once in. Or stop it's effects. Well time to arm myself with all his favorites, his vitamins and such and coax him into eating. Will keep you all informed. Lynn, I think, have your babies been tested yet? If so, how has it gone? Barb -------------------------------------- From: "Lynn Stickels" To: "felvtalk" Subject: re: Meryln Date sent: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:15:09 -0800 Send reply to: felvtalk@MailingList.net So very sorry to hear that Meryln isn't doing as well as he was but keep up your hope!:) When Stinker was so very sick with the URI and I thought he wouldn't make it, I gave him a can of A/D food a day. I would take a portion of it and mix a little water in it and patiently feed him with a larger eye dropper. He has to have food, at least a can, to be able to fight. Stinker is still doing well now and I still feed him a can with the eye dropper. I think he is getting really spoiled!:) He has gained some weight during the past month. He was just skin and bones. Because of his mouth, it is very hard for him to eat and so that is the main reason I do it this way. He has come to enjoy it to some degree. I hope my suggestion will help your Meryln and I will give him a special prayer.:).............................Lynn(Stinker) -------------------------------------- END OF PART 2: SEE PART 3 AT: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/9801152.txt