IS HE INVOLVED WITH US ON EARTH

WHO IS THE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT

IS GOD THE FATHER ETERNAL

CAN GOD THE FATHER HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SIN

CAN WE SEE OR HEAR GOD THE FATHER

HOW CAN WE KNOW IF THE SCRIPTURE IS REFERRING TO CHRIST OR THE FATHER IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.

This article contains new knowledge which has been lost since the first era of Gods Church the Ephesus Era.

Before we start our bible study on this all important subject I would like to point out some vital study helps for this paper.

Strongs concordance is used throughout this article to identify the Hebrew and Greek words used for God.

The Hebrew 3068 is the word for Lord, or God.this has the meaning Yehovah, self existent , or eternal Jehovah , and Jewish national name for God..this 3068 can only be used when referring to God the Father only.

The following scriptures are proof..

GEN 17 V 1

1And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Note that carefully I am the Almighty God this is God the Father

EX 20 V 2-3

2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 

In this above verse the Hebrew H 430 is Elohym and can be used for either God the Father or God the Word. Or in some cases can be referring to both the Word and the Father.

In this verse the 430 is referring to the Father . This is easily proven because 1. You shall have no other Gods before me. 2. This article will prove that it was God the Father who brought the children out of Egypt.

WHO IS GOD THE FATHER

The following verses prove that there is one true God.

JOHN 17 V 3

3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1 COR 8 V 4-7

4As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

7Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

1 TIM 1 V 17

17Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

ZECH 14 V 9

9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

ISA 57 V 15

15For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

JAMES 2 V 19

19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Even the devils believe that there is One God, how much more should the Children of enlightenment know about their God the Father.

PSALM 83 V 18

18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Did you notice this verse, whose name alone is Jehovah The most high over all the earth

Johovah is 3068 this is solid proof that 3068 is God the Father only. It says whose name alone is Jehovah. There is no other Jehovah, there is only One God the Father 3068 is only used for God the Father.

How many times in scripture does God the Father have to say that He is the One True God before people will believe Him. There is One True God, He is God the Father and there is His born Son, Jesus Christ.

These amazing scriptures are solid hard evidence of truth which has been suppressed in Gods church since the disciples. This is amazing and yet totally backed up by scripture.

It is time for God the Father to be revealed. We have not known who He is. We have not known that there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD this has not been revealed till now.

This is new knowledge for this era of the church.

JOHN 16 V 25

25These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall show you plainly of the Father.

Did you read that, read it again slowly let this fabulous knowledge sink into your mind and heart, Christ said He will show you plainly of the Father This is that time now, we are now being shown the Father plainly. Ask yourself honestly:

Do you know who the Father is

Did you know He is the one true God..

Did you know that knowledge of Him has to be revealed..

Did you know that this is the time for Him to be revealed plainly by Christ

Did you know that He was the Father of the Word, before creation began, and that the Word is the born Son of God the Father...note that I said The Word is the BORN Son of God, before creation.

If you did not know all of the above then this is new knowledge for you.

Now look at these amazing scriptures, the fact that the knowledge of God the Father has been suppressed since the time of the disciples is made plain in the Eras of the Church.

Notice these scriptures carefully..

REV 2 V 4

4Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

This is Christ addressing the 1st Era of the Church, the Church at Ephesus, and what have they left.... their first love.

What is the first love.

LUKE 10 V 27

27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

This is the first love to love God with all your heart and mind. Now this love of the Father  was forgotten, they did not continue to love God,  in the first Era of Gods church.They left their first love.

God was left out of things since the first era of Gods church To lose the love of God means that knowledge of Him will soon be lost also. We know this is true because of our past friends in the church, when they lost the love of God before long all knowledge of Holy Days and knowledge of Him was lost too.

Lets look at some vital knowledge about God the Father and Jesus Christ which has been lost since the Ephesus Era of Gods church.

I will mention here the fact that Jesus Christ is born Son of God. This birth occurred before creation began. Lets look at a few scriptures on this subject.

JOHN 1 V 1-3

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In the beginning was the Word,
this means at some time, at a commencement, at a time called the beginning.
Please note eternity has no starting point.
This means at a point of time called the beginning, the word [who we know is Christ] came into existence.

And the Word was with God, 
once the Word existed He was then with God, they were then together...before this God the Father was alone.

And the Word was God 
once He was born He was God, He was the Son of God.
THE WORD AND JESUS CHRIST ARE ONE AND THE SAME THE WORD IS GOD.  JESUS CHRIST ;IS GOD.

The same was in the beginning with God 
At His birth He was with God the Father, after this period of time called the beginning.

All things were made by Him.
 

God the Father made all things through Jesus Christ.

And without Him was not anything made that was made. 
God the Father made all things through Jesus Christ.

Lets see if we understand and examine this a little closer
In the beginning was the Word

I stated here that a point in time was the beginning..... eternity has no starting point but a beginning has a starting point

I will ask you a very interesting question have the heavens and the earth always existed with no beginning or were they at some point in time brought into being....

The answer is undoubtedly that there was a time when they never existed and that at some time they had a starting point. I am sure every reader would agree with this point, now that we have that firmly in our minds turn to Gen 1 v 1

GEN 1 V 1

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

This verse in the beginning is saying that the heavens and the earth at some point in time came into being, before that point in time they never existed now it is the same with John 1 v 1-3 
In the beginning was the Word at some point in time He came into existance by a Birth. 
Before that time He did not exist.
He was born a Son of God, He had a starting point, He has not inhabited eternity the scripture tells us that there is ONE God who has inhabited eternity. ONE TRUE GOD.

We see here plainly that the knowledge that the Father is in fact the Father of the Word before He was born of Mary has been suppressed  The disciples knew it but since the first era of Gods Church the knowledge has been lost.

So we see that the knowledge of God the Father and Christ His Son, has been left by the 1st Era of the Church, but now see this amazing new knowledge..

The last era of Gods Church the Laodicean Era has the knowledge of Christ and God the Father restored..notice.

REV 3 V 14

14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Notice that line, the beginning of the creation of God, this is referring to Christ and the fact that He was born in the beginning of Creation..how interesting.

This knowledge of the Father appears to have been suppressed notice these following scriptures on this very subject.

LUKE 11 V 52

2Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Notice that the key of knowledge was taken away..

JOHN 16 V 31-32

31Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe? 32Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

MATT 11 V 27

27All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Did you notice that scripture..read it again the knowledge of the Son is revealed by the Father and the knowledge of the Father is revealed by the Son.

THIS IS REVEALED KNOWLEDGE

If we want to know about the Father we need to go on our knees and ask for this knowledge to be given to us.  There is no other way..

Now to answer our question at the start of this article: Who is the Father.

THE FATHER IS THE ONE TRUE GOD

HE IS SELF EXISTENT

HE INHABITS ETERNITY

HE IS THE HIGH AND LOFTY ONE

HE IS THE FATHER OF THE WORD

THE WORD IS THE BORN SON OF THE FATHER BEFORE CREATION

Some people think that the Father is not directly involved in our lives lets look at the following 

IS GOD THE FATHER INVOLVED

We have had an idea that God the Father has handed everything over to Christ and that He is just up in heaven at the controls of the universe uninterested and unaware of what is going on down here on earth..nothing could be further from the truth..God the Father is totally interested in what is going on here on earth and is involved heavily with everything. He is not out of the picture. We have imagined that God and Lord in the Old Testament was mainly referring to Christ.

Read on for the truth, the exact opposite of what we thought..

I am not trying to take anything away from Jesus Christ, He is our High Priest, Our Saviour, Our Elder Brother, and the very Son of God, but He Himself is in subjection to the Father and always put the Father above Himself in keeping with the scriptures. I am telling you the truth about the Father.  This truth is revealed by Christ. {Matt 11 v 27} 

1 COR 15 V 27-28

27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

JOHN 14 V 28

28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

JOHN 5 V 17

17But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

The Father  is working

AMOS 3 V 7

7Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Our loving and great God the Father loves us so much and is so involved with us that He wont do anything until He reveals it to His prophets.

Lets have a look at the start of the human race and see how God the Father was involved.

GEN 3 V 8-9

8And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

9And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

This is speaking here of H 3068 God the Father, right at the start of the human race we see God the Father with a hands on approach. It was Him who  talked with Adam and Eve.

Astounding but none the less true.

GEN 6 V 5

5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

God the Father is stating that the world was filled with wickedness and now He planned to do something about it.

GEN 7 V 1

1And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. 

Here we see God the Father, telling Noah to go into the Ark, he and his family, God had a hands on approach to the saving of the human race through Noah, He knew that all of mankind was wickedness, He was involved, He was not far off somewhere.

GEN 17 V 1-2

1And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. 2And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

GEN 17 V 4-5

4As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. 5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Here we see God the Father totally involved in making Abraham the Father of many nations. He knew all about Abraham, watched him daily, and took great interest in the father of the faithful.

GEN 22 V 16-18

16And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: 17That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; 18And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Here again we see God the Father sending an angel down to speak to Abraham, now that Abraham was tested and proved faithful, God the Father bestowed upon him this most fabulous blessing of the Father of the nations.

God the Father is involved.

EX 20 V 1-2

And God spake all these words, saying, 2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Again we see the amazing truth that God the Father brought the Israelites out of Egypt and gave the ten commandments.

EX 13 V 3

3And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place: there shall no leavened bread be eaten.

Our article, Two Gods on the Mountain, gives the amazing truth in more detail regarding the new knowledge of how God the Father gave the ten commandments. However I will repeat a small section here.

EX 24 V 9-12

9Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: 10And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. 11And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink. 12And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

Here we see that the God that the elders saw in verse 10 is H 430 {Elohym} this  word can be used for Christ or the Father, but because they ate and drank and saw Him we know that it was Christ.

Now in Verse 12 we see the Lord {3068} God the Father, calls Moses up to the mountain and there the Father gave Moses the ten commandments, now we know that you cannot see the Father, so we know that Moses spoke to Him in a cloud. Ex 33 v 9 or that He was invisible in keeping with 1 Tim 1 v 17.

This is fabulous new knowledge. We have never known that the Father was involved with His creation like this before.

Now there are many many more examples for us to learn about but I suggest that you go to your concordance and look up Hebrew 3068 and in your own time do a study and see just how involved God the Father is in our lives, this is astounding knowledge.

Now to answer the Question Is God the Father involved:

THE ANSWER IS THAT HE IS 100% INVOLVED IN EVERYTHING AND ALWAYS WILL BE.  MOST OF THE OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FATHER

WHICH GOD IS BEING SPOKEN OF IN THE OLD TESTAMENT

This knowledge will lay a solid foundation of what we want to study. As we read the bible and we come to the word God or Lord, how do we know if these words are referring to God the Father or The Word. We dont know this absolutely vital knowledge unless we go to the Concordance, look up the meaning of the Word, then look at the context and make a decision based on other scriptures on that subject. This is all part of the vital knowledge of Gods word. Everything must be in harmony and balance. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Here a little there a little. Now also keep in mind that who God the Father is has been lost  till now, this is what we have learnt at this point.now here are the names for God and Lord in the Old Testament.

GOD

430

Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

Here we see that 430 is Elohiym, this can be used for God the Father or The Word {Jesus Christ} or in some instances it can be used for both.

I will sight some scriptures to show some of the meanings . This will allow us to determine which God the scripture is referring to.

GEN 2 V 7

And the LORDH3068 GodH430 formedH3335 manH120 of the dustH6083 of the groundH127, and breathedH5301 into his nostrilsH639 the breathH5397 of lifeH2416; and manH120 becameH1961 a livingH2416 soulH5315.

I have used here the Strongs concordance to show the numbers for the words God and Lord.The Lord here is 3068 this can only be used for God the Father

God here is 430 and can be either God the Father or Christ, but because we see the 3068 used we know that the 430 in this case is referring to God the Father.

Because of other bible knowledge {which we already know} God the Father created all things by Jesus Christ. We are doubly confident and know assuredly that this verse is referring to God the Father..this is so plain and simple.

GEN 1 V 26

26And GodH430 saidH559, Let us makeH6213 manH120 in our imageH6754, after our likenessH1823: and let them have dominionH7287 over the fishH1710 of the seaH3220, and over the fowlH5775 of the airH8064, and over the cattleH929, and over allH3605 the earthH776, and over everyH3605 creepingH7431 thing that creepethH7430 upon the earthH776.

Here we see this verse is referring to both God the Father and Jesus Christ, because it says let us and in our image and after our likeness.

The word God 430 is used but means both Gods.

EX 24 V 10

10And they sawH7200 the GodH430 of IsraelH3478: and there was underH8478 his feetH7272 as it were a pavedH3840 workH4639 of a sapphireH5601 stone, and as it were the bodyH6106 of heavenH8064 in his clearnessH2892.

We know that the 430 here spoken of is Christ only because they saw Him, later verses show they ate and drank with Him. But the Father called Moses up and gave him the commandments. This is again a clear plain and easily understood scripture.

So we see three plain examples of how God 430 can be spoken of as
1.the Father only,
2.both the Father and the Son 
3.and the Son only.

3068

From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God:Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069. 

This is the number for God 3068 which can only be used for God the Father only

EX 20 V 1-3.

1And GodH430 spakeH1696 allH3605 theseH428 wordsH1697, sayingH559, 2I am the LORDH3068 thy GodH430, whichH834 have broughtH3318 thee out of the landH776 of EgyptH4714, out of the houseH1004 of bondageH5650. 3Thou shalt have noH3808 otherH312 godsH430 beforeH5921-H6440 me.

Now we see God {430} and Lord {3068} spoken of here in this verse. So we know that this is speaking of God the Father only, the 430 in the three instances mentioned above are referring here to God the Father.

We know that He brought the children out of Egypt and we know that He will have no other Gods before Him.

Because the following numbers are used infrequently in the Old Testament I will not elaborate on their meaning.

410
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity): God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might (-y one), power, strong. Compare names in -el.

GEN 16 V 13

13And she calledH7121 the nameH8034 of the LORDH3068 that spakeH1696 unto her, Thou GodH410 seestH7210 me: for she saidH559, Have I alsoH1571 hereH1988 lookedH7200 afterH310 him that seethH7210 me

This is similar to 430 in that it can be used for the Father or Christ.

3069 

A variation of H3068 (used after H136, and pronounced by Jews as H430, in order to prevent the repetition of the same sound, since they elsewhere pronounce H3068 as H136): God.

This is self explanatory the 3069 is the same as 3068 and would therefore be used for only God the Father.

JUDGES 6 V 22

22And when GideonH1439 perceivedH7200 that he was an angelH4397 of the LORDH136, GideonH1439 saidH559, AlasH162, O LordH3068 GODH3069 for becauseH5921-H3651 I have seenH7200 an angelH4397 of the LORDH3068 faceH6440 to faceH6440.

This has covered most of the words used for God in the Old Testament, there are a few others used in a few instances but for time and space, I would encourage the reader to search further into other Hebrew words themselves and gain that knowledge in their own private studies.

LORD

3068
The same as for God .

136

An emphatic form of H113; the Lord (used as a proper name of God only): (my) Lord.

113

From an unused root (meaning to rule); sovereign, that is, controller (human or divine):lord, master, owner. Compare also names beginning with Adoni.

This word may not necessarily be used in speaking about God the Father or the Son, as it could be used for master or a human.

7706

Shadday......the almighty

This word is used over 40 times in the old testament.  Because it means the almighty it is referring only to the Father
 

433

Eloah......a deity......

This word is used over 50 times in the Old Testament and  also has the meaning where it can be used for a false god. 
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This covers most of the words used for Lord, once again, the reader is encouraged to do his own study into the other words used, I suggest this for time and space allowed here.

The answer to the Question which God is being spoken of in the Old Testament:

THE READER WILL NEED TO DETERMINE WHICH HEBREW WORD IS BEING USED BUT MOST ASTOUNDINGLY THE MAJORITY OF USES OF GOD AND LORD IN THE OLD TESTAMENT ARE REFERRING TO THE FATHER ONLY. THIS KNOWLEDGE HAS BEEN LEFT SINCE THE DISCIPLES

IS GOD THE FATHER ETERNAL

ISA 57 V 15

15For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

DEUT 33 V 27
v27The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.

1 TIM 1 V 17

17Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen

The answer to the Question Is God the Father Eternal

GOD THE FATHER IS THE ONE ETERNAL GOD

CAN GOD THE FATHER HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SIN?

We have always believed that God the Father could not have anything to do with sin.

I have always believed that but never really understood why. The only scripture that I know of that is used to state this is the following

MATT 27 V 46

46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me 

MARK 15 V 34

4And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

The reason Christ cried out these words is not because God the Father could not have anything to do with sin, but this is the reason...

Christ came to earth to die for our sins, He alone had to bear the sins of the whole earth. He and the Father were so very close the pain when God the Father could not be with Him for that short while, was immense. To bear these sins was a penalty that Christ had to bear alone, it was not the fact that God the Father could not have anything to do with sin, the fact was that Christ simply had to bear it alone. That was why He came to earth, to pay the penalty for our sins. God the Father did not have to do this.

Notice this astounding scripture
HEB 1 V 3

3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Did you notice what that scripture said BY HIMSELF PURGED OUR SINS

Christ had to pay the penalty by Himself, this is why the Father could not be with Him

1 PETER 2 V 24

24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Again we see Who his own self bare our sins

The Father simply could not help Jesus at this crucial time, to be with Christ at that time would have meant that His sacrifice would have been in vain.Christ had to do it alone.

The reason Christ had to bear this alone, has nothing to do with whether or not God the Father can have anything to do with sin, but because the Father had to forsake Christ for that small amount of time because the power of God the Father would have assisted Christ if He had not forsaken Him.

Now that we have cleared up the meaning of the two gospel accounts of that period of time before Christs death, lets move on to the issue at hand, can God the Father have anything to do with sin.

Who is the father of lies, and the greatest sinner of all time. None other than Satan himself. And yet we see these amazing scriptures which contain new knowledge and understanding on this subject for us.

JOB 1 V 6

6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

REV 12 V 9-10

9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

If God the Father cannot have anything to do with sin, then how is it that the Father conducts an audience with the father of lies, the greatest sinner of all time, Satan the Devil at regular intervals.

We see quite plainly that one such occasion occurred concerning Job, and in the second scripture we see that Satan comes to God to accuse us on a DAILY basis.

This plainly states that God the Father talks to Satan regularly, so we see that He can have something to do with sin. However we know that He hates sin and that His very own son had to die because of sin. So we know for sure that He absolutely hates sin but the scriptures states that He does come face to face with it on a daily basis.

The answer to our question can God the Father have anything to do with sin:

YES...HE HAS TO COME FACE TO FACE WITH IT ON A DAILY BASIS BUT HE HATES SIN

CAN WE SEE AND HEAR GOD THE FATHER?

EX 33 V 20

And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

The scripture states plainly that no man can see God the Father and live. So how is it that we read in so many scriptures that God the Father appeared to Moses etc. and others throughout the bible.

The answer to this question is that God the Father appears to man in a number of different ways.

Firstly we see that He appears in a cloud Ex 33 v 9 
Secondly we see He says He is an invisible God 1 Tim 1 v 17

Thirdly He appears in a vision Gen. 15 v 1

Fourthly He appears in a pillar of fire  Ex 14 v 24

Fifthly He appears in a whirlwind Job 38 v 1

He appears to people in these ways for to do otherwise would mean they would die.

As we have pointed out previously God the Father has a hands on approach towards His creation and He is involved with us, so we know He has appeared to people but as we see in the above scriptures He does it in different ways and He makes sure that those people wont be harmed.

JOHN 5 V 37

37And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

This is interesting scripture but we must be careful what context this is spoken, you see this was the words of our Lord Jesus Christ and He was speaking to the Jews of His day and New Testament readers. He was speaking to them personally that they themselves had not heard or seen the Father. This is not referring to Old Testament times.

Other scriptures state clearly that God the Father had indeed spoken to men throughout time, I will sight only two here for brevity, but the reader can in their own time look up many more such instances in their own bible study.

The following scripture shows clearly that when God the Father spoke to Moses, in a thick cloud,  He said that the people MAY HEAR WHEN I SPEAK WITH THEE

EXOD 19 V 9

And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the words of the people unto the LORD. 

Notice that God points out clearly that the people heard Him but did not see Him.

Deu 4:12  And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. 

Deu 4:15  Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: 

GEN 3 V 9-10
v9And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

MATT 17 V 5
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 

and notice again Christ spoke to the Father and the people heard the Father answer Christ.

Joh 12:27  Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. 
Joh 12:28  Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again. 
Joh 12:29  The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him. 
Joh 12:30  Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes. 

We see here quite plainly that when God the Father spoke  people heard His voice.

The answer to the Question Can we see and hear the Father:

THE FATHER WAS HEARD BY MAN AND HE APPEARED IN A CLOUD OR IN A VISION OR HE WAS INVISIBLE,OR IN A PILLAR OF FIRE, OR A WHIRLWIND.

I would like to relate to you an interesting occurrence in relation to this, and other articles.

Recently I was asked "Has anybody believed what you are saying in your articles"

I would like to tell you the answer to this interesting question

Many many years ago a man had truth to tell to the people, he told them what things would surely come to pass in their lifetime. The people laughed at him and thought it was a joke.  They did not believe him, but he kept on telling them for many many years. He continued, they laughed and derided him, more than likely they hated him. But nonetheless the man continued, because he loved them and he had a job to do.

This preaching went on for 120 years and still the people did not believe. Then finally one day, one fine and sunny day, God decided there would be delay no more. The people had heard the warnings long enough to decide if what they had heard was truth or not.

And the man went to a place of safety and his family with him. Others could have come with him at that time, but they did not believe what he said, they were still laughing at him. The weather was fine and sunny and there was no threat of bad weather to come. So they chose to ignore his warning that he had told them for 120 years.

But then God closed the door and after that time no one could go to the place of safety even if they wanted to. That place of safety was the Ark. Noahs Ark.

But after Noah and his family were safe in the Ark, God waited a further 7 days before He sent a cloud in the sky. Then the rain came, the people were worried, they remembered the warnings that they had been given for 120 years. BUT IT WAS TOO LATE, they had made their choice, they chose not to believe the warning and to ignore the truth of what was going to happen.

THEY DID NOT BELIEVE...God wont force you to believe Him...You have to make that choice.

THE PEOPLE DIED, THEY CHOSE DEATH..GOD SAYS CHOOSE LIFE.

It is the same today, God sends His warnings to His people, these articles are the truth, they are new knowledge, soon the end will come, we are now at this very time in the LAODICEAN era of Gods church. Mr. Armstrong was the physical leader of the Philadelphian era, but that has ended Mr. Armstrong has been dead a long time. This is now the last Era of Gods church, the era that will lead into the  time of Jacobs Trouble...this church is asleep look at the description of the church in Rev 3 v 14-22

REV 3 V 14-22

14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

This church is fast asleep we are neither hot or cold, will we accept this knowledge or say we are rich and need nothing, can we see this new knowledge or do we need to anoint our eyes so that we may see, Christ says He is at the door, He is showing us new knowledge Will we open the door to Christ when He knocks.

When things are fine and sunny that is when God asks DO YOU BELIEVE ME There is no sign of  Jacobs trouble starting tomorrow. So will we laugh at the warning and disbelieve the new truths when they are given to us.

Will we be like the people in Noahs day and ignore this end time message or will we believe and go into the protection which God provides. {some will be spared the coming trouble, some saints will be martyred.}

Brethren Jacobs Trouble is real, it is coming, it is going to happen. We know that God wants to know if we will believe Him in peace time. It will be too late once things start to happen. The church is being measured right now, the plumb line has now been dropped. Where are you standing.

Are you for God or are you not.

This is the Laodicean church.

Mr. Armstrong was the physical leader of the Philadelphian era of the church. But Mr. Armstrong  died in 1986.

This is the Laodicean church on whom the end of the ages have come.
It is only fitting to end this end time new knowledge with the words of our saviour and Lord Jesus Christ.

REV 3 V 18-22 

8I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.