ElfWord: Okay everyone, the topic is now officialy the Hero's Guide, no off topic comments please.
Fox 11681: Heroes Guide? the only thing I can discuss about that is that I want it, but I got no money to get it. :-D
Drewvolvo17: lol
Drewvolvo17: too bad for you!
ElfWord: The first thing I'd like to bring up is the factions. What factions would you guys have added?
Drewvolvo17: The Yuuzhan Vong and Republic
hydrospanner243: theyre in the end
dartholoth: define factions for that book elf?
Drewvolvo17: No, I mean, actual faction feats and PrC's for the Vong and Republic
cooldrummer026: ummm......i think i would have included mini factions inside the bigger ones...like the 181st or rogue squadron, wraith squadron...stuff like that
F V Bonura: Is Jar Jar Binks in the HG?
Drewvolvo17: no
Drewvolvo17: There are not stat blocks in the HG
F V Bonura: Are book characters or generic heroes in there?
hydrospanner243: why did they pick SFS as opposed to any other major shipbuilder?
SkeltonBoB: no
Drewvolvo17: Nope
Fox 11681: SFS??
Drewvolvo17: Sienar Fleet Systems
hydrospanner243: Sienar Fleet Systems
Fox 11681: ah
ElfWord: Factions are groups or political affiliations that you can gain influence with (called "Sympathy") that adds to reputation.
F V Bonura: SienarFleet Systems
hydrospanner243: lol
SkeltonBoB: all the ones that i can think of off hand are in there
Drewvolvo17: I'm glad they left he Jeedai and the Sith out of the factions section
Drewvolvo17: They have too much crap on them as it is.....
Fox 11681: Well, depending on era Sith wouldn't be a good faction anyway
Drewvolvo17: agreed
SkeltonBoB: and yes there is too much on them
Drewvolvo17: Tales of the Jedi is the only era where a Sith faction would work
F V Bonura: does it contain info on dark sun?
dartholoth: what bout the one that taught luke how to immerse himself in the force and basically make himself invisible?? can't think of the name of the faction
Drewvolvo17: Black Sun?
cooldrummer026: black sun?
Drewvolvo17: Yea
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Drewvolvo17: Fallanssi
SkeltonBoB: welcome
ElfWord: Fallanassi.
Fox 11681: hi Hisham
Drewvolvo17: Fallanassi is the group that did that
ElfWord: No info on them.
Khairul Hisham: hi d20ers.
Drewvolvo17: They're on Wizard's main site
Drewvolvo17: Sup Hish!
dartholoth: i'm surprised,
Fox 11681: really?
SkeltonBoB: where?
Khairul Hisham: Work work work, don't mind me. I'll check in once in a while.
Drewvolvo17: Yea, check out the Web Enhancement for the Power of the Jedi
Fox 11681: I was just getting to that question
Drewvolvo17: It has the Fallanassi on it
dartholoth: oh well, i got info on them in the D6 system, all i really care about
SkeltonBoB: i should read that
Drewvolvo17: Pretty decent
hydrospanner243: i wouldve liked to see the witches of dathomir (and maybe the nightsisters?) although that would be more a force tradition than a true faction
Drewvolvo17: Yea
Drewvolvo17: The Nightsisters are represented by the Force Witch PrC
hydrospanner243: i spose
cooldrummer026: yeah......
Fox 11681: which isn't truly accurate, not all were darksiders
SkeltonBoB: many were not
cooldrummer026: yeah
SWRPGBot: What do you guys think of the cybernetics?
Drewvolvo17: All the Nightsisters were dark
cooldrummer026: needs more
SkeltonBoB: but the witches weren't
hydrospanner243: idve liked riding around in a pimped out...rancor!!!
Drewvolvo17: I know
Fox 11681: I'll let ya know when I get the book. :-D
cooldrummer026: haha
SkeltonBoB: i actually haven't read that section yet
Drewvolvo17: lol
cooldrummer026: i read some of it
cooldrummer026: most of it
Drewvolvo17: Well, I love the Imperial Moff PrC on Wizard's site!
dartholoth: basically the same thing as teh night sisters skelton, but just take away the evil tendencies they have
cooldrummer026: didnt seem like there was enough on it
Fox 11681: That I do have
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Drewvolvo17: Your own Star Destroyer!
SkeltonBoB: i know what they are, i read the book
SkeltonBoB: well the moff is high up there
F V Bonura: How (useless = 1) / (useful =10) is the HG for D6 players??? Please rate.
Fox 11681: Well....I'd rather have my own super star destroyer....but if I have to go small....
Drewvolvo17: Oh man....that's would be one fun class
Drewvolvo17: Hmmm........I'd say a 6 Bonura
dartholoth: i can't say at this point and time since i have not read it
Khairul Hisham: ditto, Frank
hydrospanner243: id say about 3.5 although i dont D6, it is pretty d20 rules intensive
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Drewvolvo17: Well, it has lots of good stuff to convert for D6ers, plus it has butt loads of information
dartholoth: hwody cassed
hydrospanner243: true
Drewvolvo17: It might be worthwhile Frank
Darth Cassed: whew, didn't know if id make it
hydrospanner243: D_C
ElfWord: So what was left out of the Hero's Guide?
Drewvolvo17: Good question Elf
cooldrummer026: ummm
F V Bonura: ok elf so what is our focus on this book
SkeltonBoB: besides the stuff that Moridin has already mentioned that was left out
Drewvolvo17: New Republic PrC
Drewvolvo17: I wanted an NRI agent PrC
hydrospanner243: use the net guide to rebel specOps
ElfWord: Personally I think some more combat specific situations were left out. Things like underwater combat, lightsaber duels between friendlies, etc.
Fox 11681: for that we got the community....give it time and someone will make the PrC
Drewvolvo17: That too
Drewvolvo17: I wanted more combat tactics
Drewvolvo17: Suppression Fire and Aim are good
Darth Cassed: specops guide should give us an NRI PrC
hydrospanner243: i wouldve liked more stuff for ranged combat
Drewvolvo17: But I wanted more....I've had an idea for a Combat technique called: "Take it for the Team"
F V Bonura: ok for those who have it, rate its overall usefulness in D20 (1 to 10).
Fox 11681: lol, by the end of this chat I"ll be looking at more job postings on the net....
cooldrummer026: lol
SpaceCowboyT18: usefullness in D20: 9
dartholoth: ya mean, sheathe the sword technique drew??
hydrospanner243: 9-9.5, its pretty darn good
Drewvolvo17: It essentially would allow someone to give his Initiative modifier to another character
Drewvolvo17: Not really sheathing his sword darth, just boosting another's Initiative count....
Darth Cassed: hmmmm
ElfWord: What do you guys think was the best part of the Hero's Guide?
Darth Cassed: for the interest of the room, cam
dartholoth: oh, okay
Fox 11681: the guide...:-D
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Drewvolvo17: The best part............
Drewvolvo17: Probably the addition of Sympathy and Factions
Drewvolvo17: And the hordes of new feats
ElfWord: I would agree.
SkeltonBoB: martial arts feats :-D
ElfWord: Although I liked the new uses for old skills as well.
SpaceCowboyT18: Well, the description of the Empire was a big kick for me. I loved the propaganda.
Drewvolvo17: Oh yea, Stava= more fun
SpaceCowboyT18: feats are the best, though
hydrospanner243: i liked the PrCs and the archetypes
hydrospanner243: i liked the propaganda too, SC
SkeltonBoB: gotta read that faction section
cooldrummer026: i did like archetypes
Drewvolvo17: Although I felt they should have added the Yuuzhan Vong martial arts tradition....Me and Kuag created one ourselves
SkeltonBoB: yeah i saw it
hydrospanner243: i liked the little bit in the Priest PrC about the Dim-U brotherhood, i laughed at that one
SkeltonBoB: good stuff...
Drewvolvo17: thanks man
SkeltonBoB: that was funny
F V Bonura: good evening all I have ships to build
Drewvolvo17: lol
hydrospanner243: evening
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Drewvolvo17: cya man
SkeltonBoB: i thought the martial arts PrC itself left a little to be desired though
Drewvolvo17: Seems fairly balanced though...maybe too balanced
SkeltonBoB: well it seems difficult to get into but not much of a payoff
Drewvolvo17: Yea, I read ya
SkeltonBoB: but, the feats themselves are very nice
hydrospanner243: im not much into melee at all, so i didnt give it much thought, maybe it needed a bonus martial arts feat every level?
Drewvolvo17: I think Blasterslinger and Ranged Disarm are too much needed feats
dartholoth: i wouldn't say every level, maybe every other level
SkeltonBoB: maybe not every level, but there was a blank spot for crying out loud, lol...although i did like that dodge blasters sq
Drewvolvo17: two* (My grammar left me)
hydrospanner243: blasterslinger is of VERY limited use
Drewvolvo17: I disagree
SkeltonBoB: i like those feats
Drewvolvo17: The ability to blast an opponent flat-footed as a free action is very nice
hydrospanner243: true, but only if your first in init
Fox 11681: and one I would use agaisnt some players of mine. :-D
dartholoth: yeah, too bad ya can't do that with a lightsaber though
Drewvolvo17: Well, that's why you take the feat if you have a high init modifier
SkeltonBoB: you couldn't exactly outdraw someone with a low init mod
Drewvolvo17: Someone with a good Dex and Improved Initiative can benefit from it greatly
hydrospanner243: yeah, i s'pose
ElfWord: Do you guys think the Mistryl Shadow Guard does the Mistryl justice?
SkeltonBoB: no
Drewvolvo17: I like Dash
hydrospanner243: no, but i did like it
dartholoth: heck, i've played with a person who blasted himself out of a garbage chute, without a space suit mind ya, cause noone was obeying orders on his ship
SkeltonBoB: lol
Drewvolvo17: rofl
hydrospanner243: haaa!
cooldrummer026: wow
Drewvolvo17: But actually, I think the Mistryl was needed...despite it's mediocre justice to the Mistryl themselves
ElfWord: I think the PrC is underpowered for an organiztion whose members are supposed to be some of the best combatants in the galaxy.
SkeltonBoB: the Mistryl have their own martial arts style right? and can do lots more damage with the zenjii needles, i don't think that was represented
cooldrummer026: mistryl are awesome
ElfWord: I like the info given on the Mistryl, just not the PrC.
SkeltonBoB: right, it also left a little to be desired
Drewvolvo17: They did have two pieces of equipment with them; that I liked (Zenji needles....shock whip......mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm)
SkeltonBoB: a 10 level PrC would be nice
hydrospanner243: Skeleton, word, elf, word (no pun intended, i hear ya both)
dartholoth: they should've given them the free specialization in zenjii needles
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Drewvolvo17: heh
SkeltonBoB: yes, but with the specialization should come more damage (for them that is)
dartholoth: wb cassed
dartholoth: of course, that goes along wtih specialization
dartholoth: increase the damage every other level or something like that
ElfWord: I think the Core World nobles faction was a very nice addition!
Drewvolvo17: I loved that!
Drewvolvo17: The Tapani Sector has finally arrived in D20!
hydrospanner243: yeah!
SkeltonBoB: yeah, ohh, the Zeishon Sha should be able to do more damage with their discblades
Fox 11681: They could have added Core World nobles to the C&CW (now that one I do have0
Fox 11681: *)
Drewvolvo17: lol Fox
SpaceCowboyT18: Seinar Fleet Systems seemed an odd addition, dont ya think?
hydrospanner243: i still need to know more about elrood, for IJ's destinies thread
Drewvolvo17: Maybe....but I like odd things like that
Drewvolvo17: Coynites are fun hydro
ElfWord: So what had a presence in HG that should have been expanded?
dartholoth: are they ever gonna add the corporate sector???
SkeltonBoB: prolly not
SkeltonBoB: lol
ElfWord: I think equipment would have been good.
SkeltonBoB: yes!
Drewvolvo17: Agreed
SkeltonBoB: more equipment
hydrospanner243: yeah
Drewvolvo17: I'm glad the Adumari Blastsword was added
Darth Cassed: we have many weapons, we need equipment
Fox 11681: Every book needs more equipment in my opionion (except A&E wich is equipment)
ElfWord: SFS was a good addition, and you can use it as a template for other space corporations.
Drewvolvo17: But I want some cool equipment
hydrospanner243: i like non-combat equipment, needed more than what the A&EG gave us
dartholoth: always more equipment, i've noticed that, they never have enough equipment in the book
SkeltonBoB: i think the UAA had more equipment right?
Drewvolvo17: Actually, there are is a ton of equipment in the UAA....but that's another topic for another day
SkeltonBoB: back to HG
ElfWord: How would you guys rate the art of the HG?
Drewvolvo17: heh
ElfWord: 1 to 10?
Drewvolvo17: The Art was a 10!
ElfWord: For me, definitely 10.
SkeltonBoB: definitely
Fox 11681: if they post art on the site I'll tell ya
SkeltonBoB: i liked it much
Darth Cassed: I think Wizards never disappoints us on artwork
Drewvolvo17: The Mistryl.....the Martial Artist twins...the cool pic of the Sleight of Hand trick
dartholoth: actually, i don't like the star wars artwork in the books that much cassed
hydrospanner243: i loved the Black Sun Vigo
Drewvolvo17: The HG had the best art of any supplement
Drewvolvo17: and the Vigo was just cool
SkeltonBoB: i liked the Martial Arts twins much, and the force traditions
Drewvolvo17: The Zeison Sha was the best of the Force traditions
Drewvolvo17: That Twi'lek looked badass
hydrospanner243: i also liked the mistryl
SkeltonBoB: indeed
dartholoth: oh, never heard of that tradition drew
Fox 11681: so WoTC continues with a pic for every PrC?
Drewvolvo17: Check it out darth......the HG has three very cool traditions
Drewvolvo17: Yea
ElfWord: Does anyone have any info on the pic contained in the introduction?
Drewvolvo17: There's a pic for every PrC
hydrospanner243: what pic, elf?
Drewvolvo17: The android?
ElfWord: The female with the droid head.
Darth Cassed: ok can we agree that I'm either Cassed or DC, and Dartholoth is Darth
ElfWord: Is that supposed to be someone specific?
Drewvolvo17: lol, my bad Cassed
SpaceCowboyT18: It just looks cool. Eye candy.
Darth Cassed: just wanna make sure we're all on the same page
hydrospanner243: yes, it is cool
Drewvolvo17: :-)
SkeltonBoB: just a cool pic
Drewvolvo17: The Rodian wa a nice pic too
ElfWord: Very cool. I think I'll create a background and stats for her.
Drewvolvo17: the one with the cool black jumpsuit
hydrospanner243: kinda harkens to terminator
SkeltonBoB: publish them eh?
SkeltonBoB: i mean submit
ElfWord: Yup
hydrospanner243: nice
SkeltonBoB: good good
ElfWord: What do you guys think of the droid section?
Drewvolvo17: I'd say we've been given proof that Rodney is one talented fella
hydrospanner243: yeah
Fox 11681: They need a droid section in every book.
Drewvolvo17: The droid section was a nice addition
hydrospanner243: droids were...nice
Drewvolvo17: I had no qualms with it
Drewvolvo17: I was happy to see it wasn't overdone
SpaceCowboyT18: not much in the droid section, it seemes, but I've honestly not looked at it
hydrospanner243: im not into running droids, but for those who are, it was indispensable
SkeltonBoB: or underdone
ElfWord: I would have liked to have seen more droid accessories, but other than that it was great. I liked the feats.
Drewvolvo17: that too
Fox 11681: I have a droid pc in my game so it might be helpful
Fox 11681: if I had the book
Drewvolvo17: lol
SkeltonBoB: then you might wanna get it
hydrospanner243: i thought the renegade droid pic was hilarious
Drewvolvo17: Tell ur PC to look at the Berserker Droid
SkeltonBoB: something about droids performing martial arts just erks me though
Fox 11681: you gonna pay me so I can? need money first
Drewvolvo17: haha
SkeltonBoB: lol
Drewvolvo17: Sure thing..oh wait, I have to pay for Galaxies first
Drewvolvo17: sorry
Fox 11681: lol funny I need to pay for that too but now we're off topic and Elf will tell us so. :-D
Drewvolvo17: nah, we're back on
ElfWord: *tells*
Darth Cassed: lol
hydrospanner243: ha :-D
SkeltonBoB: anyone? droids? martial arts?
Drewvolvo17: Droids and martial arts is only good in one situation
Drewvolvo17: an HRD
Drewvolvo17: Which was not in the HG
SkeltonBoB: they just don't seem to have the flexibility necessary
dartholoth: assassin droids too drew
ElfWord: That is indeed something I would have loved to have seen.
SkeltonBoB: for the most part
Drewvolvo17: Good point darth
ElfWord: HRDs will be great, although they'll likely be a munchkin's wet dream.
dartholoth: and bounty hunter droids
Drewvolvo17: A very wet dream... :-)
SkeltonBoB: let's not discuss that
Drewvolvo17: .....right
Drewvolvo17: *clears throat*
Darth Cassed: off topic...way off topic...
Darth Cassed: lol
hydrospanner243: indeed
ElfWord: Anyways... do you guys think anything was unbalanced?
SkeltonBoB: okay, i know i'm hung up on martial arts, but just one question...does anyone have an example of the improvisation SQ? i don't totally understate the usage
SkeltonBoB: sorry Elf
SkeltonBoB: understand, not understate
cooldrummer026: you can use two feats of martial artists effects together
SkeltonBoB: i know that
cooldrummer026: if im gettin it right
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JeffH578: hi
SkeltonBoB: but i can't think of any times where you could do that, most of them seem mutually exclusive
ElfWord: Welcome to the discussion.
SpaceCowboyT18: ahoy
JeffH578: thanks for inviting me
SkeltonBoB: hello
ElfWord: The topic is the Hero's Guide, no off topic messages please. You're welcome. :-)
Drewvolvo17: Kuag, sup
ElfWord: What should have been added to cybernetics?
Fox 11681: I'd stay on topic but its hard...since the topic is 50 miles away and costs $30....
Darth Cassed: lol
Drewvolvo17: *pulls out disruptor and vaporizes Fox*
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cooldrummer026: haha
Fox 11681: you wouldn't be the first Drew. :-D
Drewvolvo17: :-)
ElfWord: Welcome to the discussion Dan. The current question is: What should have been added to cybernetics?
Drewvolvo17: Dan what's up
hydrospanner243: *tosses Nova a spare power pack, just in case*
Drewvolvo17: *catches and nods at hydro*
SpaceCowboyT18: Cybernetics was my favorite...I guess the only thing it could lack is more stuff, IMO.
Drewvolvo17: Anywa, the discussion
Fox 11681: Elfword ment to say Topic is Heroes Guide then Question is: What should have been added to cybernetics
DanKyrinov: Hello ya'll. Added to cybernetics, well, I think I wanted to see more things that can go wrong, rather than just one side effect per attachment.
ElfWord: I think there should have been lower quality versions.
hydrospanner243: true
SkeltonBoB: like black market junk versions
Drewvolvo17: scurry
dartholoth: did they have effects of cybernetics to force users??
hydrospanner243: and like what moisture and dirt will do to them
Drewvolvo17: black market cybernetics... no thx
Fox 11681: one per attachment so what happens if you have two or three?
SkeltonBoB: is there a possibility of the body say rejecting an implant?
hydrospanner243: i think so
ElfWord: I believe the effect of cybernetics on the Force was a penalty to Force point usage.
hydrospanner243: i think its in there, about rejection
SkeltonBoB: -10 or something right?
Fox 11681: yeah or comp virus look at that guy from the C&CW he had three cyberg parts, torso, head and arm
SkeltonBoB: ohh, i shall read about that
DanKyrinov: I think another thing that needed clarified is that ion weapons can stun non-Force users. See X-Wing Eight. The cybernetics rules covered damage to cybernetics, but could have slipped in some more notes.
ElfWord: I would've liked to seen cybernetics accessories. Stuff like electrical shocking abilities.
Fox 11681: you mean like weapons?
Fox 11681: attachments
cooldrummer026: built in weapons
Fox 11681: yeah that
SpaceCowboyT18: so you can play Emporer...:-)
hydrospanner243: yeah, or like tool mounts for a mechanic who got an arm lopped off in an accident
ElfWord: Any sort of accessories, not just weapons.
cooldrummer026: haha
cooldrummer026: yeah
cooldrummer026: built in things...like inspector gadget...lol
Fox 11681: oh cooking tools. "Hey mom, let me see you're arm, no the with the butter knife."
Drewvolvo17: Go Go Gadget.......
Drewvolvo17: Wee!
Drewvolvo17: More fun!
hydrospanner243: lol
cooldrummer026: haha
DanKyrinov: Maybe also some rules for biotech attachments similar to cybernetics, like rules for Tsavong Lah's foot and hand, Yuuzhan Vong implants, etc.
ElfWord: lol. *cough*backtotopic*cough*
cooldrummer026: go go gadget disruptor rifle...
Darth Cassed: lol
Drewvolvo17: Oh most definitely Dan!
Drewvolvo17: Vong implants would've been the bomb!
cooldrummer026: yeah!!
cooldrummer026: forgot about those
hydrospanner243: i think rules for EXTRA cybernetic limbs may have been cool
cooldrummer026: i wanna arm right there when i grow up.....
ElfWord: That would be awesome!
cooldrummer026: *points to belly button*
cooldrummer026: lol
Fox 11681: That would lead into black market...
cooldrummer026: hmm
hydrospanner243: true......so what?! :-D
ElfWord: Anyone have any questions/specific points to bring up?
Drewvolvo17: hmmmm
Fox 11681: not many doctors would actually give someone an extra arm...or leg...or eye
hydrospanner243: lol
Drewvolvo17: I think that we, as the community, ought to speak up about books like the HG
hydrospanner243: how bout a head?
Drewvolvo17: Wizards needs to know that this is the kind of material we want
hydrospanner243: so you could announce podraces
cooldrummer026: lol
Darth Cassed: wizards should monitor these chats so they know what we want and stuff....
Drewvolvo17: We want original material that is helpful to the players and GMs
Fox 11681: why would you need a head? You got one
Fox 11681: if you don't use the one you got, why would you use a new one?
cooldrummer026: they would monitor a lotta junk
Ichillis: Is somebody here that actually wrote the books?
Drewvolvo17: No, like I said, Rodney is saving the RPG universe
Drewvolvo17: He is off at 12:00
Ichillis: Huh?
Ichillis: Anyway.
Ichillis: if you ever find one.
Ichillis: I have a lot of gripes to bring up.
SkeltonBoB: well guys i gotta go...nice chattin with you ppl
ElfWord: Check www.swrpgnetwork.com for an update about an official chat.
Drewvolvo17: yea
Ichillis: Later.
ElfWord: Bye BoB.
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Drewvolvo17: New topic Elf?
hydrospanner243: here, here
ElfWord: Involving the Hero's Guide?
hydrospanner243: yes
Drewvolvo17: anything in particular
Fox 11681: .........sure leave me out of it
Drewvolvo17: lol
hydrospanner243: lol
hydrospanner243: hey you knew coming into it...
ElfWord: If you could give the designers one suggestion, what would it be?
Fox 11681: *mumbles...joining the empire...mumbles*
Fox 11681: acutally I didn't
Drewvolvo17: One suggestion?
Drewvolvo17: When in doubt....put more stuff in.....
hydrospanner243: you need +1 sympathy, bud
Drewvolvo17: and more
Drewvolvo17: and more
Drewvolvo17: and more
ElfWord: Anyone else?
dartholoth: no, ya can go overboard with putting too much stuff in a book
Darth Cassed: ...dont have the book, im relying on you people
Fox 11681: I have a suggestion but its not for the designers its for the people that set the price....cheaper, is better. :-D
DanKyrinov: I'd suggest some of the SWAG guys as WoTC artists, I think.
Darth Cassed: yea
hydrospanner243: Fox, word to that
DanKyrinov: Not that they don't already have a good art staff, but SWAG is top quality too.
Fox 11681: yeah
Fox 11681: but then, if SWAG goes to work for WoTC we won't get free stuff.
hydrospanner243: lol
Darth Cassed: we'll steal it
Drewvolvo17: that's a good point
Khairul Hisham: SWAG? What a bunch of losers. Especially that Hisham guy.
Drewvolvo17: We don't want to lose Hish!
Fox 11681: lol
Drewvolvo17: Noooooooooooo!
Khairul Hisham: :-)
ElfWord: *cough*ontopic*cough* 10 more minutes guys...
dartholoth: yes, the dark side is working here, my job is almost done, muahahahahahahaahha, VWEG
Drewvolvo17: *looks around for who coughed*
Darth Cassed: lol then all hell breaks loose....
hydrospanner243: i think, personally, that outlaw tech was a minor letdown
Drewvolvo17: Well, I guess we better get back on topic
ElfWord: Speaking of the darkside, the HG didn't give a lot of extra stuff on them.
hydrospanner243: true
dartholoth: that's what the dark side source book was for
hydrospanner243: lol
Drewvolvo17: Well, the DSSB handled that
Darth Cassed: spose much was covered in the Dark Side source book
hydrospanner243: lol
Darth Cassed: ok we all said it...
hydrospanner243: i knew it was coming :-D
cooldrummer026: haha
Drewvolvo17: Hardy har har!
DanKyrinov: There's not been too many more DS powers introduced since DSSB, so I forgive them.
dartholoth: what i want to see is more force powers
hydrospanner243: get PotJ
dartholoth: and force equipment
dartholoth: have it
ElfWord: The Outlaw Tech was indeed a letdown. Should've been a PrC, not an archetype.
dartholoth: still not enough for me
Fox 11681: haven't checked out www.swrpgnetwork.com yet? I got all sorts of Force powers from that
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Darth Cassed: much of the Force Equipment just needs conversion from WEG
ElfWord: And it would have been nice to have more of the NPC kind of archetypes.
dartholoth: for d6 or d20???
DanKyrinov: I wonder how much leeway they have to invent new Force powers and equipment, since they handled all the move and EU ones already? But then again, they can invent the three Force traditions in the back of HG.
Fox 11681: I'm d20 but they got lots for both. And I think archtypes are nice, but I do like PrC's better
dartholoth: they haven't done allt he eu ones yet dan
Fox 11681: How can they when EU is forver ongoing
hydrospanner243: they should do the thrawn trilogy
Fox 11681: You turn around and Luke has a new skill....
ElfWord: I would have liked to see some GM-focused info on creating enemies/epic challenges.
ElfWord: And some info on traps would have been good.
Fox 11681: Well....it was called Heroes Guide....
hydrospanner243: prolly in the campaign guide in august
Darth Cassed: Heroes need enemies
Fox 11681: that will be one I can't wait to get
Fox 11681: if a GM can't create an enemy from all the books curently out, there is something wrong with him/her
dartholoth: ya got that right fox
Khairul Hisham: Then we wait for the Enemy's Guide.
ElfWord: Final Question: Rate the Hero's Guide 1 to 10 on the following categories: Art, Content, Quality of Writing.
Drewvolvo17: Art-10, Content-9, Quality-8
DanKyrinov: Art: 9. Content: 7. Quality of Writing: 7
ElfWord: Art 10, Content 8, Quality of Writing 7.
dartholoth: can't rate since i don't own it
hydrospanner243: 8./9/9
SpaceCowboyT18: Art:10, Content:9, Qality of Writing:9.
hydrospanner243: 8.5/9/9*
Darth Cassed: dont own
ElfWord: Well guys, that closes up the Hero's Guide discussion. Thanks for contributing, the chat is now open to general convos. I'll post a link to the transcript later.
Darth Cassed: the Dark Side is losing power....
Fox 11681: if I could vote, it would be like everyone elses
hydrospanner243: lol