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Minute of Meeting
149th Edinburgh Branch Meeting
Donaldson’s College, Edinburgh – Thursday 12 February 2004

SEDERUNT: M Bancroft R Walker N Robertson K Lloyd B Pill J Burt P Quill N Oliver C Wilmott I Murray G Pearson S Hunter J F Anderson D Scott D Jones K McDonnell A Thomson D Sinclair D illar R Brownlee A Dick J McCraith S Page A Murray V Stewart A Dickie M Gorman A Milne H Gardner A White G B Dickson S McMorland H Harvey R Lovering.

APOLOGIES: Julian Davies, Liz Young, Bob Bertram, Steve Boucher, John Fisher, David Richardson, Andrew Reid, Jim Hepburn, Roddy McLean, D Brown, Marion Johnstone, D Morrison, Marting Scott-Smith, Anne Diment.

1.0 CHAIR: Richard Lovering too the chair and outlined the Safety & Parking arrangements.

2.0 MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS (January 2003)

2.1 Receipt: Copies had been received as expected.

2.2 Accuracy: Proposed by Russell Brownlee; Seconded by Jim McCraith. Russell thanked the Chair and Secretary for their work in the regular, detailed production of the minutes.

3.0 MATTERS ARISING NOT ON AGENDA : None

4.0 CORRESPONDENCE

4.1 Public Sector People Management Expo 2004 – Scotland: 18/19 February.

4.2 Fife Chamber of Safety: Agenda and Minutes, Safety Awards 2003

4.4 IOSH HQ: Membership: 770 Branch members from a national total of 27267

Corporate: 341 Associate: 222 Tech SP: 99

Construction: 183; Public Services: 151; Environmental: 93; Offshore: 46; Healthcare: 38; Fire risk management: 21; Education: 20; Consultancy: 18.

4.5 Scottish Borders Safety Forum: Next Forum Meeting: 25 February, Galashiels.

5.0 BRANCH EDUCATION DEVELOPMENT ADVISOR - Liz Young. Nothing to report.

6.0 SPECIALIST GROUPS

6.1 PUBLIC SERVICES – Marion Johnstone: Nothing to report.

6.2 CONSTRUCTION - Roddy McLean.

Construction companies should be aware that kerb laying will now come under close scrutiny from the HSE. Between now and the end of June any company that has not approached the manual handling concerns related to kerb laying will be subject to a severe tongue lashing. After June this will manifest into an Improvement Notice and eventually a Prohibition Notice. All mechanical handling options must be considered e.g. vacuum lifting or petrol driven grabs.

6.3 FIRE RISK MANAGEMENT - Dave Sinclair.

Newsletter:

Newsletter is in final draft format and due to go out early March which has articles on the Fire Safety Reform, our Fire Seminar last December, and our proposed Networking Meetings this year.

Networking Meetings:

Following on from the success of last years format we have the following dates and venues planned:

10th March – Dublin; 17th June – Manchester; 25th August – Leicester, and 2nd December – London.

The format will remain basically the same, and acting on feedback requesting more time for the open forum we have decided to extend the networking over lunch. In order to remain cost effective we will charge delegates £10 per head to cover the cost of the food and any room charges.

Business and Community Safety Forum for the Fire and Rescue Service:

The second meeting has now taken place and things are starting to move. I have had the latest draft of "The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2004" to comment on and have been asked to join a "Task and die" group to review the draft guidance documents. The first one is aimed at offices and shops.

Halon Alternatives Seminars:

Wormald are running a series of free seminars on "alternative flooding systems" around the Country. The 9th of March is the only Scottish date, and the venue is Airth Castle and Hotel. Presentations on FOGTEC High Pressure Watermist and INERGEN Premier will be followed by live fire demonstrations. This attracts CPD points. Further information and online registration is available at;

www.wormald.co.uk/HalonAlternatives

6.4 HEALTHCARE - Martin Scott-Smith. Nothing to report.

6.5 ENVIRONMENT – Julian Davis. Julian had circulated his monthly report to interested members. Max reminded members that they could be added to this list by emailing himself or Julian.

6.6 OFFSHORE - Tam Boyd: nothing to report

6.7 RAILWAYS - Need a representative

6.8 CONSULTANCY - Derek Cawkwell: nothing to report

6.9 SAFETY SCIENCES - Steve Boucher: Nothing to report

6.10 TELECOMMUNICATIONS – Graeme Lyall. Nothing to report

6.11 EDUCATION – Allan Dick. Nothing to report.

7.0 FORTH and TAY DISTRICT

Karen reported on the recent successful AGM (the second official one). There had been 69 different attendees over last year with 19 average per meeting. The new committee was underway. Budget for 2004/05 proposed and accepted by Branch Executive.

8.0 MEMBERS ITEMS

8.1 Roger Midson Challenge Trophy: Target shooting with air rifle/air pistol near Fenton Barns (Drem). Date agreed – 21 May afternoon. Unless anyone comes up with better idea.

8.2 Site Visit: East Fortune Airfield. £3 per person with group guide at no extra cost. Date agreed - Fri 25 June.

8.3 Secretary’s Sipper Golf Tournament: awaits report by G McGeorge on response from interested members.

8.4 AGM: Max outlined the arrangements for nominations – forms should be received one month beforehand i.e. at the next meeting and such nominations would take precedence over any received thereafter. Forms were downloadable from the website. All four principal office bearers were eligible for re-election. Three Executive members had come to the end of their two year period of service (Andy, Graeme and Roddy) and they were also eligible for re-election. The Branch Constitution was downloadable from the website. The meeting would be held in the West Building (to the NW of the main (Playfair) Building with a free buffet from 1230.

8.5 Member’s Presentations: members were reminded of the 10 minute slot available to them. There should be a presentation on Fellowship at the March meeting.

8.6 Russell commented on the recent tragic loss of life in the residential care home. Members agreed that there was too often a rush to judgement when such tragedies occurred and that we should wait for any report.

8.7 It was noted that the IOSH approved post-graduate course at Heriot Watt University set up for the HSE Inspectors now also had places available generally.

9.0 GUEST SPEAKER

Hazel Harvey: Head of Professional Affairs – IOSH HQ. New Membership Structure

The speaker was very briefly introduced to the assembled members as she was in fact known to the bulk of those present, having been to the Branch on a number of occasions and had in fact presented a paper in January 2002 on a similar topic.

Introduction

Hazel started by stating that she had been in the Council Meeting the previous day and had since attempted to modify her presentation in line with the last decisions made, while she was in the Airport Lounge – you can’t get much fresher with the information than that.

She also indicated that the Council Meeting had been the first to take place in the now completed extensions to the Grange, which now has a brand new entrance set in the middle complete with an Atrium which makes it all very impressive. It was interesting to note that having moved to the Grange out of 222 Uppingham Road in 1994, with this new development work, it would probably have been possible for ALL of the staff from 222 to have been able to occupy the space now given over to the Atrium entrance. – It just goes to show how much of a new era we are now in.

Membership

The graph which Hazel then showed indicated that the total membership of IOSH was now in the order of 27,500, with a steep rate of growth from the 1992 period when we saw the "6-pack" come into effect, but it now appears to have hit its plateau, with the growth slowing down.

Hazel then provided a graph showing the breakdown and growth of the levels of membership. Corporate Members had shown a steady growth from the 3.5k level in the early 1990’s to the current level in the order of 11.5k, whilst the Associate grade had risen steeply from 1,200 up to 13,200 in 1999, but had since then seen a drop to 7,000 as the number of Tech SPs has risen to 3,500. Currently there are somewhere in the region of 650 Fellows within IOSH and there is currently a push on to increase this number where appropriate and the hope is that this can be achieved ready for the Diamond Jubilee which is next year for IOSH and to link that in with further progress in the Charter for the Institution – but more on that later.

Routes to membership

The current entry level for Membership of IOSH is the Affiliate, and this is frequently linked to an active interest in OSH possibly from Safety Training and following one of the routes from the diagram shown

It was interesting to note that of last years entrants to Corporate Membership – 54% had come direct via a higher education route, whilst 24% had gained NVQ level 4, and 22% had come in via the NEBOSH Diploma route.

Two Strands of IOSH

IOSH actually has two strands –

There are now an increasing number of Specialist Groups, and they now number 14 =

We are here to promote health & safety in the workplace and we needed to strengthen the Learned Society side in order to gain the Royal Charter and now we want to go forward for Individual Charter – so that the members are chartered and not just the Institution itself.

Developments

Hazel then listed some of the developments which have taken place during the progress of IOSH which included =

Then the introduction of the Tech SP grade

It was recognized that due to a lack of clarity within the employment world, where the various grades of membership were often confused, a Working Party was needed and established in 2000 to identify the core competence requirements for safety practitioners and a membership structure that would reflect the recognition of this. At the same time as the working party was proceeding the national standards in health and safety practice were being revised. IOSH participated in this activity.

Level 4 units

The outcome of this work was a consistent standard involving unit in –

These being the core and a further four units were optional

Core Competence Working Party

A report was given to the IOSH Council in September 2001

The recommendations, which were accepted by Council, were –

This in turn led to Full discussions by IOSH Council on June 17th 2003 and February 11th 2004 and the intention now is to have ALL this in place for approval at the AGM and then transferring to the new Membership Structure at the same time as gaining individual chartered professional status in July 2005.

NB: Whilst this may be the aim – it is at this stage only an aspiration and is not certain

Proposed new Membership Structure

(NB: This is still fluid and may change by consultation etc)

Corporate Fellow CFIOSH

Member CMIOSH

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Graduate Grad IOSH

Technician Tech IOSH

Affiliate Honorary Fellow NB: No designatory letters

The intention here is to ensure that, at all of these levels, appointment will be on a "level playing field" – based on Qualifications, Skills and Experience. As such there is a need for extension from the original CPD (Continuing Professional Development) for an IPD (Initial Professional Development) to be undertaken prior to appointment.

Initial Professional Development

Continuing Professional Development

The original has now been in place for some 12 years and whilst it was good initially, it is now in need of revision. The revised CPD Scheme will include a more reflective approach to professional development and the activities associated with it.

It will feature on-line recording and a more flexible period for completing the activities.

Currently there are some 5,800 members undertaking CPD but we need to increase this level to 18,000. Hazel suggested that if you are not already registered for CPD that you do so in order to stay abreast of the developments as they happen as CPD will become mandatory for Member, fellow and Technician levels.

New Appointment Criteria

At CMIOSH level

At Tech IOSH level

Transitional Arrangements

Proposed Membership Structure & Entry Criteria

It should be borne in mind that these are the proposed conditions but we are now entering into a period of consultation, so they may well change.

Summary

Hazel indicated that there should be a detailed article in the Practitioner within about 2 months time, but if anyone had any feedback or comment to make she was more than willing to take it now by contacting her on - [email protected]

10.0 DATES OF NEXT MEETINGS

10.2 Branch: 11 March: Cost of Accidents: trends, insurers' perspective, compensation trends: Jeff Bilton: - Zurich Municipal

10.1 District: 1 April : ‘Thinking of Moving’: Manual Handling Assessment Charts: Nancy Hamilton - Health and Safety Executive

11.0 CLOSURE: The Chairman urged members to mingle over tea and closed the meeting.

 Max Bancroft, MRSC, TechSP

Branch Secretary

Richard Lovering, FIOSH, RSP

Branch Chair

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