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Minutes of Meeting
148th Edinburgh Branch Meeting
Donaldson’s College, Edinburgh – Thursday 8 January 2004

SEDERUNT: M Bancroft S Hunter J F Anderson I M Munro G Pearson S Boucher K Darling D Morrison M Scott-Smith M Gorman D Duff S Holland G Millar D Richardson M Kincliffe(?) J Brannigan P K Murray R Robertson D Bond A Emerson S Page P Graham S McMorland S Daly J Hepburn P Quill A Diment V Stewart C Wilmott P Mainka A Pittendrigh T Mellon A Thomson W Lyon J McCraith L Young R McLean J Davies G Lyall C Castell R Brownlee J Green J Cordiner R Thomson R Lovering C Black

APOLOGIES: K Lloyd, M Johnstone, A Sharman, N Robertson, A Reid, G McNab, R Stainton, D D Sinclair, D Calkwell, B Byrne, B Davies, D Brown, R Hunter.

1.0 CHAIR: Richard Lovering was in the Chair, and outlined the Safety and Parking arrangements.

2.0 MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS (October 2003)

2.1 Receipt: Had been received OK.

2.2 Accuracy: Proposed by Liz Young; Seconded by Renny Thomson.

3.0 MATTERS ARISING NOT ON AGENDA :

3.1 HQ: European H&S Week: Poster Competition: HQ had published calendar cards for 2004 with some of the national winners featuring on them – these included Daniel Green of Murieston’s poster.

3.2 November Transport Seminar: report, including speaker’s presentations, was now available on the Branch website. A member working in Kazakstan contacted the Secretary to obtain details of the speaker’s notes and circulate them in the oil sector where he worked..

4.0 CORRESPONDENCE

4.1 Scottish Borders Safety Forum: December 2003 Newsletter. .

4.2 IOSH Conference 2004: Harrogate: April 20-21

4.3 IOSH HQ: HSE Power Point Presentation on Slips and Trips in CD form. Available for interested members to use in their workplace. Can be customized to some extent. Anyone who wants a copy email the Secretary (but note it is 3.2 Mb). IOSH/HSE would like feedback from anyone using it.

4.4 IOSH HQ: Membership: 767 Branch members from a national total of 26944

Corporate: 342 Associate: 222 Tech SP: 94

Construction: 181; Public Services: 150; Environmental: 92; Offshore: 47; Healthcare: 38; Fire risk management: 21; Consultancy: 18; Education: 19

4.5 Fife Chamber of Safety: Agenda & Minutes

4.6 Stevenson College: New Lecturer post in Health and Safety: contact HR Department.

4.7 Standard Life: Need temporary Facilities Safety Officer until vacancy is filled permanently plus two permanent posts.

5.0 BRANCH EDUCATION DEVELOPMENT ADVISOR - Liz Young.

Liz reminded members of the importance of CPD which will become compulsory next year.

6.0 SPECIALIST GROUPS

6.1 PUBLIC SERVICES – Marion Johnstone: Nothing to report.

6.2 CONSTRUCTION - Roddy McLean.

Roddy noted that CITB were having a Construction Skills Seminar in the Roxburghe Hotel next Wednesday, that AON were holding an Employers Liability Insurance Seminar at Murrayfield on Thurs 16 January and that Anderson Stathearn were holding a H&S Breakfast at Dynamic Earth on 17 Jan – to be addressed by a Minister.

6.3 FIRE RISK MANAGEMENT - Dave Sinclair: nothing to report.

6.4 HEALTHCARE - Martin Scott-Smith: nothing to report.

6.5 ENVIRONMENT – Julian Davis.

Julian noted that the various ACoPs following on from DSEAR were now out. He also commented on a recent investigation into unshredded paper waste which had shown companies were throwing out a lot of confidential and potentially damaging information.

6.6 OFFSHORE - Tam Boyd: nothing to report.

6.7 RAILWAYS - Need a representative

6.8 CONSULTANCY - Derek Cawkwell: nothing to report.

6.9 SAFETY SCIENCES - Steve Boucher: nothing to report.

6.10 TELECOMMUNICATIONS – Graeme Lyall.

Graeme noted that there would soon be a new IOSH passport scheme for the telecoms industry.

6.11 EDUCATION – Allan Dick (of Edinburgh’s Telford College) has been proposed as Branch Representative for this SG.

7.0 FORTH and TAY DISTRICT

February meeting will also be the AGM.

8.0 MEMBERS ITEMS

8.1 Death of Member: reported with regret that John Glen (Lecturer at Falkirk College) had died.

8.2 Presentations:

Julan Davies: Corporate Membership

Jim McCraith: pair of engraved tumblers for his services to the Branch on the Executive Committee.

8.3 Allan Thomson – Central Training Services – 10 Minute presentation

CPCS = Construction Plant Competence Scheme

Allan presented detail of the changes which have taken place as and from the end of 2003 with respect to "Tickets" to drive and operate construction equipment, whereby the CITB National Plant Operators Registration Scheme, the CTA Certificate of Training Achievement for Construction Plant Operators, and the CITB LANTRA Awards will all be replaced by the one certificate.

This is not at this point a Legal requirement, but a number of employers are using the CPCS certificate as the only form of proof which they will accept to demonstrate the competence of the individual to operate the equipment on site.

The system has been devised in accordance with the agreed requirements of the Construction Federation, The Federation of Master Builders, The GMB TU, and the equipment manufacturers and the new CPCS plant card is available to cover 65 categories of plant.

Attainment of the CPCS card will follow a number of steps –

Blue cards are issued where there is an N/SVQ specific to the machine category

Green cards are issued where the category does not have an associated N/SVQ

Renewal of issue of cards –

Logbooks – NB: there will be an audit of 10% of logbook each year

9.0 GUEST SPEAKER

Albert Thomson BA MICDDS MEPS - of Rubicon Response Limited – Dealing with Disasters

The speaker was introduced to the group by Jim McCraith following which Albert provided a brief insight into his background to illustrate just how he managed to be so qualified in the topic. Of his 13 years within the Police Force, 9 years were spent in the Police Force Control Centre and this period included the time when the Piper Alpha disaster happened.

He had experienced perhaps too many disasters to list covering quite a breadth of incident but apart from the Piper Alpha two of the major incidents involved nuclear material being transported.

What is a "Disaster"?

Albert asked the group just what they may include within a definition of a Disaster – bearing in mind we had all heard of a number over the Christmas period just past and it became obvious that the definition would often be based on the standpoint from which it was viewed, but he then offered the two following definitions as perhaps being the most representative-

" A disaster is a sudden event, such as an accident or a natural catastrophe that causes great damage or loss of life"

or

"A serious, unexpected and dangerous situation requiring immediate action."

"Disaster" - Facts and Figures

According to NatWest Insurance 75% of firms hit by a major fire end up closing.

According to the BCI 80% of companies suffering a major disaster go out of business within 13 months. – This is perhaps borne out by the two major incidents within Scotland over the past = Lockerbie – PanAm no longer in existence; Piper-Alpha where Occidental have disappeared

Following the Manchester bomb, 650 businesses were displaced, many losing their foothold in the city as a result.

Both of the Scottish incidents resulted in a Paradigm shift but to quote Tolley’s Handbook –

"The events of 11 September 2001 in New York has seen a paradigm shift in the thinking, planning and perception of ‘man-made’ disaster."

This was after all a major event which had heavily involved all of the emergency services including the Police, The Fire Brigade, The Ambulance Service and the Armed Forces, as well as all of the ancillary voluntary and civil services.

It created a "new thinking" – one which could affect all forms of business

UK Resilience

There is a Government headed project aimed at considering the UK resilience to major disasters on both a strategic and a local level which are aimed at looking to see what can be in place to deal with disasters AND to ensure the affected companies stay in business, such that their aims are -

DEMS = Disaster Emergency Management Systems

A number of Companies in the past have has some form of Emergency plans in place, but all too often they failed to have Business Recovery elements within them – they were only looking to control the disaster and not recover from it.

DEMS entails four branches

The aim of a DEMS and true crisis management is to –

Whilst some of the reasons for having it are –

Definition of a Crisis

Here we firstly need to recognise there is a difference between an Incident and a Crisis and as such a CRISIS is -

Consider the differences between the Routine and a Major Incident

As such the Characteristics of a Crisis are –

Integrated Emergency Management

A range of acceptable resolutions depending upon the individuals involved, their experience, the cause and effect of the incident and it’s location. In other words, we don’t know what the right answers will be.

There needs to be a risk analysis

What Plans Should Contain

Initial Response (from the Emergency Services Handbook)

Do not get involved in rescue work but assess the situation.

Provide the appropriate information (CHALET) – see details below.

Is there a need to shutdown systems/services?

Activate fire alarm in event of fire.

Seek further instructions.

Do not return to incident unless safe to do so.

Notification Process

Evacuation (Fire)

Principles of Command & Control

Three tier response structure =

Operational Tactical Strategic

Each of the Emergency Services will operate to – Command – Control – Co-ordinate as there is no one agency in overall control

Operational – An inner cordon will be created, which is often the boundary of the premise

Tactical – Another cordon (Outer cordon) will be created to keep the public out under the control of each of the services – the controller wearing a chequered jacket – red/white – Fire, green/white – Ambulance, blue/white for Police

Within each of the cordons control points will be set up –

Whilst off site further centres will be created –

"Close Out"

After the Event

Summary

The Turnbull Report places some new requirements on the board of Directors –

Whilst the Civil Contingencies draft bill seeks to create a statutory duty on the part of local bodies to develop contingency plans for dealing with a wide range of emergencies, and provides powers for the government to make regulations to deal with proclaimed emergencies and whilst the current recent news of action on this front was specifically for England & Wales – Scotland will do their own

Rubicon Response Limited believe –

"No matter how ready you think you are,

you will never know when the moment has arrived,

until that moment has past!"

10.0 DATES OF NEXT MEETINGS

10.1 District: 5 February 2004: AGM and Managing Health and Safety in Forestry: Mr Jim Dewar - Safety Officer: Forestry Commission. Free Buffet from 6.30pm

 10.2 Branch: 12 February: New IOSH Membership Structure & Strategic Alliances with other related organizations: Hazel Harvey, Head of Professional affairs: IOSH.

11.0 CLOSURE

The Chair wished members a safe journey home.

 Max Bancroft, MRSC, TechSP
Branch Secretary

Richard Lovering, FIOSH, RSP
Branch Chair

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