132nd Edinburgh Branch Meeting, IOSH
Donaldson’s College, Edinburgh – Thursday 14th February 2002
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SEDERUNT
C E White M Bancroft M Johnstone R Lovering G Lyall G Garry M Mitchell K Darling J Adamson S Boucher M Scott-Smith C Arnott B Pill B Byrne G Dick G Pearson J McCraith I M Murray S Page J Hepburn R Walker J Usher J Little R Edward M Gorman J Craig R Paterson D Sinclair T Reynolds D Duff V Stewart P Veitch I Wilson D Cawkwell C Wilmott N Robertson A Sharman S Macmorland I Ezzi R McLean P Conway M Crowston J Farquharson W Witherspoon A Evans I O’Neill R Graveling R Davies A Milne K Lloyd
Plus Visitors and Guests
APOLOGIES
D A Brown T Boyd B Bertram B Stainton A Reid G Macnab
1.0 CHAIRMAN- Brian Pill
Brian took the Chair and the meeting held within the Dining Hall. It was also explained that the AGM and Buffet would be in this room. Brian mentioned the importance of signing the Sederunt; it acts as the Roll Call in a fire situation, the parking restrictions and the importance of driving with extreme care within the College grounds.
2.0 MINUTES
The 131st Minute was accepted without amendment. It was Proposed by M Bancroft and Seconded by J McCraith as a true and accurate record. It was noted that the full minute has been posted on the website complete with photographs. When printed out takes thirteen pages.
3.0 MATTERS ARISING – there were no matters arising from the Minute.
4.0 CORRESPONDENCE – Chris
4.1 Letters - S Vickers. Chief Executive, NEBOSH. Thanks and Best Wishes
4.2 Fax/Email - 160 in total but his included 3 fax.
Fax – I M Murray. Mineral Wool fibres now ‘Group 3’ Classification
Fax – Dr Jigajinni. Apologies
Fax – Q-Deck Mezzanine Floor
R Stuart, USA. Requesting information about Donaldson’s College.
Numerous seeking Branch information.
Numerous with programme information, District information, Membership information,
A number concerning the AGM in April and the arrangements.
P Lehane. Accident Investigation Research project.
4.3 Membership 746 Branch members from a national total of 25,517
300 Corporate 284 Associates 77 TechSP
167 Public Service 184 Construction
There were no members of the Branch under suspension but it was noted that there are only 69 members taking the RSP route of highlighting their competence. The members were encouraged to consider this route, as it will be a requirement in the not too distant future.
4.4 Official Nicky Howard. Chief executive will be attending the AGM
Secretary. Three invitations to attend the meetings.
Eleanor Lawson, Vice President. Notification of the AGM, Awards to be held in November at Murrayfield.
4.5 Job Seekers Scott Jones. Looking to a trainee position to gain experience in Health & Safety
David Clarkson, MIOSH. Looking for part time work.
Susan Davies. Looking for work in Scotland.
4.6 Jobs Spot D Clark has 3-6month in Fife available at £25K pro rata. Possible extending.
It was mentioned that all jobs reported to the Executive are posted on the Branch website.
4.7 Minutes Scottish Borders Safety Forum. Next meeting 20th February
Fife Chamber of Safety. Gas Safety by Lauder Technical College, Dunfermline.
Proposed District, Edinburgh Branch. Anita Levinson and Stress.
4.8 Adverts Occupational Voice Damage at Call Centres – New Report
IOSH Conference in April at Manchester
East Anglia Branch. Influencing Others in Cambridge
Public Services Group. Dealing with Violence in Manchester
Chiltern Branch. Contractors and their Control in Hatfield.
It was stated that all copies of correspondence are maintained by the Secretary for the member’s attention and readily available at the front table during the tea break.
5.0 BRANCH EDUCATION DEVELOPMENT ADVISOR – Liz Young
The members were reminded that the Tech SP up-grade route is now closed and that only those Associates who are registered will have until December to complete their portfolios.
6.0 SPECIALIST GROUPS
6.1 PUBLIC SERVICES – Marion Johnstone
It was mentioned that the Group would appreciate input from members regarding the links that should be added to the website. Also suggestions for Guidance Publication consideration were requested.
6.2 CONSTRUCTION – Roddy McLean
There has recently been an increase in the number of Inspectors about the sites and particular interest is being shown towards Scaffolding and Traffic Management Systems.
6.3 FIRE RISK MANAGEMENT – Dave Sinclair
The Specialist Group seminar ‘Fire Risk Management – Thinking Outside the Box’ will take place at the Manchester United Football Ground on 13 June 2002. The cost will be approximately £100 and include such important items as human behavior in emergency situations, the dangers posed by arson and the challenges posed by current building design Full details are on the Website and fully circulated.
6.4 HEALTHCARE – Martin Scott-Smith
6.5 ENVIRONMENT – Max Bancroft
6.6 OFFSHORE – Tam Boyd
Information was presented of a draft leaflet ‘Regulating Health and Safety Offshore – Who Does What?’
6.7 RAILWAYS – Need a representative
6.8 CONSULTANCY – Need a representative – possibly Derek Cawkwell
6.9 SAFETY SCIENCES – Need a representative – possibly Steve Boucher
The members were informed that the Chairman of this group will be attending the next branch meeting and will give a short presentation on the aims and objectives.
The Chairman reminded the members that there is a need within the branch for a member of each specialist group to keep a watching brief and inform the meetings of relevant happenings. All interested parties will be confirmed at the AGM in April and names should be with the Secretary beforehand, if possible.
7.0 DISTRICT REPORT – Brian Pill
The group recently met in Perth for their AGM and interest speaker on ‘T’ in the Park. There was a good attendance and the elections were successfully completed. Minutes are not yet available but will be tabled and posted on the Web. Brian informed the members that he would be the Branch/District liaison for the coming year and keep full contact at both Branch and Executive Committee meetings. The members were asked to show support for the District by signing the appropriate section of the intended application form.
8.0 MEMBERS ITEMS
8.1 Presentations. The Chairman was pleased to make presentations of framed Certificates to a number of Branch Members. He stressed the importance of the continual strive for better understanding of Health and Safety and the hard work this involves. CPD is one way and achieving recognition by obtaining higher grades of membership of our Institution is another. The following members were introduced to the Branch and presented with their Certificates:
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Dr Paul Veitch Technician Safety Practitioner TechSP |
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Mr John Adamson Corporate Member MIOSH |
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Ms Liz Young Fellowship FIOSH |
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Mr Roddy McLean Fellowship FIOSH |
The members supported the Chairman congratulations.
8.2 Annual General Meeting. The meeting was reminded of the importance of the forthcoming AGM and the need for members to play an active part in the running of the Branch. The Secretary outlined the procedure and the availability of nomination forms from the Secretary or the Branch Website stated. The AGM is on April 11 and will include a buffet, interest speaker – Old Edinburgh, address by the Chief Executive and elections.
9.0 GUEST SPEAKERS
The Chairman explained that the initial presentation of some 10 to 15 minutes would be a brief update from the IOM relating to the Manual Handling workshop, which was held at the Edinburgh Branch of IOSH in the June of last year. He then explained that the presenter was obviously not one of the original workshop leaders (Margaret Hanson & Alison Stewart) but was in fact Dr Richard Graveling
Introduction
The speaker indicated that the initial set of workshops had followed the process of consulting with manual handling practitioners and trainers, then consulting with scientific experts in order to establish basic principles and then to take those principle back to the manual handling trainers and practitioners to verify the application of the principles in practice.
Over 200 people attended the various workshops and all tending to agree that the original guidance note L23 did not fit
The Delphi Exercise
The intention here was to utilise some 34 experts, some of which provided guidance via paper responses whilst 22 of them attended a meeting in London to offer comments to consider the Principles of good manual handling technique.
The basic principle being gained the process now is of achieving a consensus against the offered principles
Consensus requirement
Richard then handed out forms with a number of principles listed and asked the members present to fill in their responses and return the form to him by the end of the meeting.
The Chair suggested that having taken a look at the form and noted its depth of questioning it might be more appropriate for the form to be completed during a period after the meeting and then send it back to Dr. Graveling.
To do this the Fax number was quoted as – 0131 667 0136
Alternatively it could be posted to IOM at 8 Roxborough Place, Edinburgh, EH8 9SU
Either method of return should be employed within the next two weeks.
Principles
12 Basic Principles were listed on the form =
Each of these topics had to be rated with your level of agreement (Strongly Agree – Agree – Have no opinion – Disagree – Strongly disagree) and also given a priority rating
Each of the 12 principles were then requested to be considered to verify if you had a disagreement with it for each of the following operations
Next steps
Following the consultation period and agreement on the principles which is due to be finished by the end of March 2002 a report will be issued to the HSE by July 2002 and hopefully that will then lead to further revision of the L23 guidelines.
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Margery Mitchell was then introduced to the members. Margery is employed by the HSE within the Health Unit – which means she is not currently part of the operational field force.
Margery indicated she intend to give brief talks on two topics –
Introduction (FOD Preventative Inspections)
The FOD Preventative Inspections are from the 1st April, to follow a new approach aimed at meeting the Revitalizing of Health & Safety and the Securing Health & Safety Together documents.
These as is probably well known by now place targets reductions of –
Securing Health Together
This placed an increased emphasis on Occupational Health plus shared targets with the RHS (rehabilitation service) which for Scotland amounted to –
HSC Strategic Plans
It has been widely indicated that the Construction, Agriculture and Health service areas of employment are to be targeted
With 5 priority areas of –
Stress, Falls from height, musculoskeletal injuries, Workplace transport and Slips, Trips & Falls.
To these FOD were to add a further 3 priorities –
Hand & arm vibration, Noise and Asthmagens.
Both strategic documents look to 5 key areas – Compliance, Continual improvement, Knowledge, Skills and Support.
How
As and from April 2002 the FOD will be undertaking more Preventative Inspections – this is where they turn up on your doorstep, not chasing accidents or observed unsafe practices etc, but just arrive to check out how good the accident control and management of the company is working. These inspections will be concentrating specifically on the 5 HSC and the 3 FOD priority hazard areas. = Stress, Falls from height, Musculoskeletal injuries, Workplace transport, Slips, Trips & Falls, Hand & arm vibration, Noise and Asthmagens.
You may have already notice there has been an increase in the numbers of HSE Inspectors of late and this is one factor that was considered necessary (more Bobbies on the beat) in order to gain a real measure of performance on each of these topics and hence gain a significant improvement.
Each of the topics will be assessed against a defined set of risk indicators. These will be termed RCIs (Risk Control Indicators) and will be rated from 1 (good) to 4 (bad). The rating of 4 may even be considered sufficient to consider enforcement action on some of the topics whilst on others it will only be equivalent to guidance & suggestions. Stress being an example where there will only be 2 RCIs, whilst Noise will have 3 RCIs.
RCIs for Noise
The 3 factors considered (where necessary) to assess noise performance being –
Margery then answered questions on this section of her presentation
Introduction (Review of OEL Framework)
A lot of the detail contained in the original EH40 listing of MELs and OELs was adopted from the States, as it is difficult to gain definitive set levels of what is safe. It is not possible to stop ALL exposure and the intention is consider what should be done in the future with setting levels.
OEL limits are considered safe (as good a control as you can get practically) but there are no human exposure evidence details to prove they are safe. MELS are often the result of when it has gone severely wrong.
MELs (Maximum Exposure Levels)
OELs (Occupational Exposure Limits)
SME’s (Small to medium enterprises)
These organisations often have problems in getting to grips with the different standards required of occupational exposure to chemicals and the levels enforced by the environmental agencies.
Options
There are thought to be 3 options for the future control of chemical exposure limits –
The real issue is of a move to CONTROLS rather than working to standards
Margery then showed the COSHH Essentials – a step by step guide to controlling chemical hazards, although she did agree that certain changes were necessary to be made to avoid the possibility of users of the guide going "over the top" with the levels of PPE being used, rather than putting controls in place.
Ultimate Goal
A fully integrated system for chemical control, freely available on the Internet for anyone to use.
The Chairman thanked the Speakers on behalf of the members and was encouraged by the numerous and testing questions posed and answered. He offered token of appreciation and the members responded warmly.
10.0 DATE OF NEXT MEETING
Brian thanked the members for their attendance; he then set the date for the next meeting as:
Thursday 14 March 2002 at 1.30pm at Donaldson’s College, Edinburgh
Latest changes and directions of the Asbestos Regulations
And the Speaker will be
Mr Stephen May, Associate
A H Allan and Partners, Hull Office
11.0 CLOSURE
The Chairman closed the meeting by encouraging the members to mingle over the tea, have informal chat with their peers, and consider nominations for the elections at the AGM in April. Remind all that the last date for submission will be the next meeting 14 March.
Christopher E White MBE, FIOSH,RSP
Edinburgh Branch Secretary
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