131st IOSH Edinburgh Branch Meeting

131st Edinburgh Branch Meeting
Donaldson’s College, Edinburgh – Thursday 10th January 2002
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SEDERUNT
J McCraith R Brownlie R M D’Arcy D Forfar M Scott-Smith G Dick R Wilson S Page S Boucher A Fowler R McLean D Duff J Usher D Scott J Purdie A Sharman N Robertson R Walker M Galloway C Wilmott J Craig B Davies N Doherty J Conway M Crowston S Ashton W Hutchison M Bancroft B Mooney A Reid B Pill I O’Neill M Gorman V Stevens J P Toland R Lovering K Stainton G Lyall P Conway M Johnstone K Lloyd C E White L Young H Harvey S Vickers

APOLOGIES
V B Jigajinni D Staines D A Brown I McCulloch B Bertram G McNab R Reed D Sinclair I Murray

1.0 CHAIRMAN Brian Pill

Brian took the Chair and welcomed all members and their guests – he touched on the tragic events of the previous week, which included the sad deaths of baby Jennifer Jane and George M Gibson, a branch member. It was noted that a fatality, sub contractor falling down a lift shaft, had occurred in Edinburgh the previous day. The format of the meeting was outlined and members encouraged mingling.

2.0 MINUTES

The 130th Minute was accepted without amendment. The Minute was proposed by R Brownlie and Seconded by G Lyall. The Secretary apologised for not having the speaker’s paper available but this will be sent to anyone requesting at a later date. Members were reminded that to receive minutes the recently distributed form should be completed and returned to the appropriate Secretary. The old lists will not be used after this year’s AGM.

3.0 MATTERS ARISING Previous Item 8.3 – Foam Extinguishers. Much information had been forwarded to the Secretary and the members were thanked for their contributions.

4.0 CORRESPONDENCE

4.1 Letters: GM International Consultants
I M Murray – thanks and Best Wishes

4.2 Fax/e-mails 104 communications had been actioned including:

Many apologies
Many requesting minutes
Many Festive Greetings
Notification of proposed District activities
Executive business
Fife Chamber of Safety – re-vitalising Health & Safety, HSE
Membership 744 Branch members from a national total of 25,320
279 Corporate 286 Associates 73 TechSP
167 Public Services 183 Construction
29 members still suspended

4.3 Job Spot Opportunities to work in the rail industry – London based
Stevenson College, Edinburgh – Lecturing in Health & Safety

4.4 Adverts Miller – Fall Protection Solutions
Fife Chamber of Safety – Asbestos Awareness Course - 05 February
Managing Stress at Work – 11 February

Copies of all the above correspondence were made available for inspection by the members present. Further information can be obtained on request from the Secretary.

5.0 BRANCH EDUCATION DEVELOPMENT ADVISOR – Liz Young

Mention was made of the modern apprenticeship scheme supported by the HSE and directed at the over 25’s. Limited funding is available and on a first come basis. Interested then contact Liz directly. The Up-Grading scheme to TechSP registration has now closed and those registered reminded that portfolios must be completed and assessed by the end of this year.

6.0 SPECIALIST GROUPS

6.1 PUBLIC SERVICES – Marion Johnstone
The members were reminded that suggestions for future Guidance Notes being prepared by the Group were being sought and ideas of topics requested from the group members. Please contact Marion or the Secretary.

6.2 CONSTRUCTION – Roddy McLean – No report

6.3 FIRE RISK MANAGEMENT – Dave Sinclair – No report

6.4 HEALTHCARE – Martin Scott-Smith – No report

6.5 ENVIRONMENT – Max Bancroft – No report

6.6 OFFSHORE – Tam Boyd – No report

6.7 RAILWAYS – Need a representative

6.8 CONSULTANCY – Need a representative

6.9 SAFETY SCIENCES – Need a representative

The Chairman reminded the members that there is a need within the branch for a member of each specialist group to keep a watching brief and inform the meeting of relevant happenings. Interested volunteers, please contact the Secretary.

7.0 DISTRICT REPORT – Brian Pill
The District has not held meeting recently but is strong and moving ahead. An application for District status is nearly completed and will soon be ready for presentation.

The Working Group is meeting this evening to prepare for the AGM, which will be held in February.

The next meeting will be held at the Gateway Centre, Perth on the evening of 07 February and will combine the AGM with an interest speaker. Members are encouraged to support this evening to ensure the successful progression to District status.

8.0 MEMBERS ITEMS

8.1 Presentations. The Chairman stated his pleasure at being asked to present the highest Grade of Membership to one of the Edinburgh Branch Members and asked Jim Toland to come forward. Presentation of the Fellowship Certificate confirming transfer to the Grade of Fellow was then made and Jim congratulated on his achievement. The members responded warmly.


J P Toland, FIOSH,RSP
Regional Safety Manager, Sir Robert McAlpine

8.2 The members were informed that the SCOS conference would be held 17 April – full details on the Branch Website.

8.3 The Branch Elections will be held at the AGM on the 11 April 2002 and members were invited and encouraged to become involved in the running of their branch and joining the Branch Executive Committee. The Secretary was asked to outline the procedural requirements.

  1. The four Principal Officers are elected annually to a maximum of four years for Chair and Vice.
  2. The five Executive Committee Members are elected bi-annually to a maximum of four years.
  3. Nominations, proposed, seconded and with the agreement of the nominee to be with the Secretary 28 days before the AGM – last date being the March meeting. The following nominations are required Chairman, Vice Chairman, Secretary, Treasurer and two Executive Committee members although all post holders are eligible to stand.

    9.0 GUEST SPEAKER

    The Chairman introduced the Guest Speakers as

    Hazel Harvey of IOSH

    Professional Development Update

    &

    Steve Vickers of NEBOSH

    How NEBOSH are matching IOSH developments

    Hazel started her presentation by indicating that she liked coming to Edinburgh so much, that she had even been prepared to come here, instead of laying on the beach in Cape Town. The reality of her delay to a holiday in Cape Town until the following Saturday was then admitted.

    Hazel then presented the first paper, which she indicated which as to look at the developments, which had followed on from the Corporate Plan of 2000. This had been a 5-year rolling plan and specifically to look at recommendations from the Core Competence Working Party formed as part of that plan.

    Routes to Membership

    The following chart of routes to membership as applicable from 1998 was then shown with comments that the complex nature often lead to the wrong qualifications being quoted for jobs etc.

    There are two level of competence as defined at levels 3 and level 4 and a number of Universities are now offering higher qualifications. Hazel had been at Herriot Watt today considering their training, which is used for HSE Inspectors. The Tech SP grade had been introduced in 1997.

    Hazel then showed a graph depicting the growth in the various grades of membership over the past 10 years to March 2001. Corporate Members had grown from nominally 3,500 in 1991 to 10,000 in 2001, whereas the Associate grade had grown from nominally 1,200 in 1991 to 13,000 in 1999 to drop again to 9,00 in 2001. This drop being due to the closing of the grade of Associate and the introduction of Tech SP which stood at nominally 2,000 in 2001. Edinburgh Branch had a higher number of Tech SPs than is generally the case across the country, but other than that the spread of membership grade is fairly consistent.

    Hazel did repeat the fact that anyone seeking to move from the Grade of Associate to the grade Tech SP should have registered to do so by the end of 2001. – At Headquarters they had received a fax at 9.20am on new years eve day where someone was concerned at having missed the boat. She did indicated that if anyone had failed to register and wished to do so, she felt certain that if they spoke to Denise nicely before the end of January, she may be prepared to stretch the point, but beyond that there would be no further opportunity.

     

    The Corporate Plan of 1987

    This plan was exceptionally well rounded, but it suffered from lack of implementation due to the lack of resources available in 1987.

    Required actions were based on the two strands of the Institution role – Learned Society & Professional Body. The monthly Branch meetings, Conferences and training course all being part of the Learned Society elements have been well sourced, but the Professional Body side looking more to the regulatory guidance etc has only recently been coming to the fore.

    The plan saw the introduction of RSP in 1989 aimed at distinguishing between those corporate members who were competent professionals by virtue of training and experience, not just corporate members by qualification. There are only 2,671 RSPs out of a corporate membership of 11,624 despite the belief that there should be another 7,000 who should qualify.

    CPD was introduced in 1992 and the lack of time to do it is often quoted for lack of registration as RSP. This is not true – we are all doing CPD in staying abreast of modern developments and keeping up to date. The return of CPD points is purely a record of what has been done which can be exceptionally useful during change of job.

    CPD returns are now mandatory for RSP as and from 1994 and it will shortly be the same for Tech.SP although it is not so as yet.

    Other changes since the 1987 Corporate Plan of 1987 has been the increase in the number of Universities now offering higher education in OHS topics, together with the OHSLB (Occupational Health & Safety Lead Body) introduction of national standards introduced in 1995.

    The original grade of Associate was closed to new entrant in July 1998 and there is a lot of action in gaining their upgrade to the new Tech SP grade introduced in 1997.

    Corporate Plan 2000

    Environmental issues were included in the Mission Statement and consideration was given to the need to introduce Environment as one of the core competencies. This was rejected at that stage as only 45% of the membership surveyed had any form of environmental competencies, but this may be reviewed later as things develop further.

    The Employment NTO revised the National Standards so there was no longer a use of the degree of risk for the different levels of competence. They also introduced strategic level 5 units, which had not been identified previously.

    Recommendations

    The Core Competence Working party made the following recommendations :-

    Level 4 units

    Level 5 units

     

    What steps are necessary

    Devise pilot & produce methods of assessing both skills & experience. This may well be through interviews (and pilots for this have started already with Fellowships) and/or Portfolios.

    Review the format of CPD and extend its application to all relevant levels of membership.

    Devise progression routes, which are clear and can be communicated to employers.

    This could give us a membership structure of the following (but this is only one possibility)

     

    Steven Vickers – Chief Executive of NEBOSH (National Examination Board in Occupational Safety & Health) was then introduced to the assembled group. Steven also stated he liked to come to Scotland, but unlike Hazel had not forgone sitting on a Cape Town beach to do so.

    He believed that most English persons felt inferior to the Scots due to the breadth of abilities noted to derive from the Scottish people, be it engineers, scientists, the variety of languages spoken or even eminent poets. But he felt being a "Brummy" he also had similar standing to the Scots, combining the suave nature of the southerners with the straight talking bluff of the northerners. "Brummies" also had a substantial history of engineering, plus a wide variety of languages or dialects, which were bound to confuse all except those from the area, where they were spoken. However he did feel that the only poets of any standing from Birmingham may be Lenny Henry and Jasper Carrot, and these did not match those from Scotland.

    NEBOSH

    Despite indication that a number of people have doubts about the objectivity and relativity of some of the apparent hair-splitting actions which they take, he hoped to show during his presentation that NEBOSH is moving with the times.

    Here is no doubt that NEBOSH now recognise there is more than one route to competence and the strength of candidates across the qualification range is growing. NEBOSH is now expending overseas (mainly in certificate rather than Diploma – again mainly in the Oil industry) within overseas English speaking countries and it regards IOSH as the pre-eminent body in OSH.

    It considers the big issues to be – Competency Management, meeting the needs of the stakeholders, integration of SHE, education of line management SMEs and the global imperative

    CPD and Competency Management

    The problems of a number of members he felt of proving competence via CPD was shown in the quotation – "He is not busy being born, he is busy dying". Time has to be spent keeping up to date to avoid the erosion of the original skills which will happen over a period of time and the modern developments of integration of all safety health & environment topics is a typical example.

     

    The Stakeholders

    Obviously the candidate is one major stakeholder, but we need also to consider the training provider and the employer in particular. It could be considered to be a problem by the employers if they realized that of the 5 category winners from last years NEBOSH specialty awards, only 1 is still in the employ of the company they were with during training. Industry has a part to play as do the Trades Unions – they are all stakeholders to varying degrees.

    The within the greater sphere of society as a whole we must also bear cognizance of the requirements of the Professional Bodies, the workforce, government bodies, EU directives and the World Community as a whole.

    Requirements

    What is it that each of the stakeholders require?

    How is NEBOSH reacting

    NEBOSH will mirror IOSH’s requirements on competence and progress where there is an intention to include our qualifications within degree courses.

    They intend to submit a modified part 1 diploma at level 4, so that part 2 could become an Advance Diploma

    There will be a complete update of the Environmental Diploma, whilst IEMA could become the Environmental Certificate.

    What about SME’s

    Small to medium enterprises need access to cheap multi-disciplinary consultancies with a rationalization of HSE & Environmental agencies direct to them, possibly over the Webb.

     

    Summary

    We must react to a changing world.

    Both IOSH & NEBOSH must think globally or someone else will.

    As quoted by Baha’u’llah in 1868

    "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens"

    NEBOSH is open to ideas.

    10.0 DATE OF NEXT MEETINGS

    Brian thanked the members for their attendance; he then set the dates for the next meetings, stressing that full information and directions are available on the Branch website, as:

    Branch Meeting

    Thursday 14 February 2002 at 1.30pm at Donaldson’s College, Edinburgh

    Manual Handling Regulations Up-date Workshop Findings

    Revised OEL Framework

    The Speakers will be:

    Alison Melrose, Institute of Occupational Medicine, Edinburgh

    &

    Pam Waldum, Health and Safety Executive, Edinburgh

    Proposed District

    Thursday 07 February 2002 at 7.30pm at Gateway Centre, Perth

    AGM with interest topic as - ‘ T’ in the Park, Safety Implications

    The Speaker will be:

    Steve Dunn, Environmental Health Department, Perth & Kinross Council

    Members were encouraged to mingle during tea and make benefit from the attendance of the specialist guests before departing to proceed home in safety. The Chairman then closed the meeting.

    Christopher E White MBE, FIOSH,RSP

    Edinburgh Branch Secretary


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