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INSTITUTION OF OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH

Minute of the 117th Meeting of the Edinburgh Branch

Donaldson’s College for the Deaf, Edinburgh at 1330 on Thursday 14th September 2000

 

SEDERUNT

C E White R Lovering K L Lloyd R McLean B Pill M Bancroft R M D’Arcy W Miedzybrodzki G M Smith J Cowan L Allan D Forfar R Wilson D Sinclair G Dick J Adamson H Gibson D Bond D Edward G McNab J Craig I Murray S Hunter D A Brown P Barrett

APOLOGIES

K Wilson M Johnstone J McCraith L Young A Sharman R Reed

1.0 CHAIRMAN Brian Pill

The Chair was taken by B Pill. Welcome was extended to all, particularly new Members and Guests especially considering the restraints imposed by the Fuel Crisis. Mention was made of the sad loss of two members Alex McGrory and Graham Sutherland and condolences extended; also mentioned was the inclusion in the Queen’s Birthday Honours list of one Branch member and this items was also noted within the SHP.

The Chairman reported that the College was still undergoing major maintenance works and some adjustments may have to be made but the importance of wearing security badges was stressed. The year programme has been completed and appears particulary interesting to members.

2.0 MINUTES

The 116th Minute – June 2000 – was tabled. The Minute was proposed by J Cowan and seconded by M Bancroft as a true and accurate record. There were no amendments. A full mailshot had been sent and this included both the programme and District information.

3.0 MATTERS ARISING

Item Number 3.1 – HSE endorsed Scaffold Handbook. NASC Guidance Note SG4:00 The use of fall arrest equipment whilst erecting, altering & dismantling scaffolding was tabled. Available from CIT Birmingham on 0121 722 8200

Item Number 3.2 – District Forming. K Lloyd is the link between the Branch and the proposed new District and reported that both the Chairman and the Secretary of the working party have resigned. The proposed meeting for 09 November in Kinross will still go ahead but a new workers are urgently required if the project is to survive.

Item Number 5.0 – Tech SP workshop. This will be going ahead but full details are not yet to hand.

Item Number 7.4 – Secretary’s Sipper. The event was a success and won by G McGeorge with a bih there being a three-way tie after 18.

4.0 CORRESPONDENCE

4.1 Letters

4.2 Fax & E-mail

4.3 Minutes

4.4 Membership - 708 members (There are now 54 suspended)

4.5 The Grange

4.6 Adverts - A number of other Branch Programs were available

4.7 Job Spot - United Wire based in Granton, Edinburgh. Health & Safety Assistant at £13-14K. Contact 0131 552 6241 – Fiona Fallas

Copies of all the above mentioned correspondence was made available for the Members present. Further information is available upon request from the Secretary.

5.0 BRANCH EDUCATION OFFICER L Young

6.0 SPECIALIST GROUPS

6.1 MAPS CO-ORDINATOR M Johnstone

Copy of the Group Newsletter was available and a short report on the Keele Conference was presented by one of the delegates.

6.2 CONSTRUCTION R McLean

The representative had been unable to attend the meeting at Leicester but presented the Scaffold Handbook for examination and will make copy of the meeting minute available shortly.

6.3 HEALTH and ENVIRONMENT J Smith

7.0 MEMBERS ITEMS

8.0 GUEST SPEAKER

The speaker was introduced by David Brown, Branch Treasurer, as Mr Pat Barrett and having had "a number of years" within the Gas Industry and now headed the section of Lauder College in Dunfermline which was responsible for training a wide range of individuals in all aspect of gas safety.

Pat then indicated that the intention for the presentation was not to consider legislative requirements but instead to present a broad overview of Gas Safety, highlighting a number of concerns, which he and other have within the industry.

Fatal accident rates

The speaker presented a slide containing the details of fatal incidents over the last three years related to gas safety as follows: -

Cause

1996/7

1997/8

1998/9

Total

Gas

-

-

1

1

CO

31

27

33

91

Fire

1

2

1

4

Explosion

8

5

10

23

As can be seen, the number of deaths from CO (carbon monoxide) is of major concern. This is particularly the case for student accommodation, where lack of maintenance has been identified as the cause behind a number of the incidents, where unscrupulous landlords did nothing to protect their new tenants.

CO poisoning

Often in examining the background to the reasons for fatal incidents at rented accommodation used by students it was found that air vents in the walls had been blocked up, possibly by the students themselves, in an attempt to conserve heat inside the room. However this led to the accumulation of carbon monoxide to excessive levels.

Typically most gas appliances will emit something in the order of 0.0005% - or 50 ppm (parts per million) when it is working correctly. We can typically endure this sort of exposure with no apparent toxic effects. However if the exposure should rise to 200-ppm symptoms can include headaches and by the time the exposure reaches 400 ppm we can expect to feel nausea after some 1 to 2 hours.

Should the exposure level increase to 800-ppm collapse and unconsciousness could be expected after 2 hours. If the exposure was as high as 3,000 ppm it could become fatal in as short a period as 15 minutes, whilst exposure at 12,000 ppm would bring the time for this effect down to 1 to 3 minutes.

The speaker indicated that one set of tests which were undertaken inside a caravan had to be stopped quite rapidly as the level of exposure was putting the testers at risk due to the high exposure levels being experienced.

Currently statistics show a figure of some 30 per year to die from carbon monoxide poisoning, but it is suspected that the actual figure is much higher. Unless it is suspected and blood samples are taken within the first 4 hours after death to make the necessary tests, the evidence disappears and as such the actual reason for death may not be identified.

Serious injury incidence.

Over the same three-year period as considered for the fatal incidents, there were some 334 persons who were reported to suffer from serious rather than fatal injuries. The speaker then compared the ratio of fatal to serious incidents for various causes in one year.

Cause

Serious incidents

Fatal incidents

Flue

18

32

Behaviour

16

34

Fault

4

6

Installation

3

7

Maintenance

3

6

Ventilation

4

7

Unknown

4

41

Whilst the figures for Flue and Behaviour (which could be turning the gas on and forgetting to light it, etc) show an almost two to one ratio, one of the speakers concerns was the high figure of ten to one for unknown causes for the incidents.

The reasons for the number of incidents of bad flues, poor maintenance and installation, etc revolved around the problem of trying to get people who could do the job properly. One local Council is now considering use of its own employees rather than using contractors who they proved were not doing the jobs that they were claiming to do.

Typically the incidents occur during November, December and January, when the weather is cold and the windows will be shut to conserve heat.

The major offender in terms of the type of appliance is the basic, simple old fashion fire – vented through a standard chimney style vent. Here the basic problem can be as simple as a bird building a nest on top of the chimney outlet and preventing normal flue gas escape. Simple annual maintenance checks should identify these issues before they can become fatal.

The major suffers being the elderly – those over 80 years of age

Key issues for property owners

The high-risk locations are flats; rented accommodation and often the cheaper end of the market

  • Annual gas checks of appliances and flues
  • Records of safe installations and servicing
  • Gas check as part of house transactions (as you have drains checked)
  • Role and response of emergency service providers (Transco) – not just to turn it off when its not correct, but perhaps they should do a little more to correct the simple issues.
  • Use of flue gas analyzers – The simple smoke test does not identify shortfall and could be different on two consecutive days
  • Use of CO alarms – there are thought to be problems where these could be considered as the indicator that tells when a service is needed – this could be too late.
  • DIY gas installation and maintenance – The professional DIY'er can do work in his own home, but he must still be competent to do it. To do this some people considered the sale of gas fittings to the public should be banned, but the speaker did not hold this point of view personally. The speaker had examples of bad DIY installations which included =

Use of a tyre inner tube to connect between rigid copper pipe and a cooker (which should be done by a flexible pipe) – the inner tube was expanding under the pressure and bulging out when examined.

To save an estimated £4 for purchase of a pedestal stop cock, a Rosyth fitter had made his own, and had probably taken all night o do it.

Key issues for installers

  • They should be Corgi registered
  • Nationally Accredited Certification Scheme for individual operatives
  • Banned working by non-registered installers

On this last issue it was a sad fact of life that if a fitter gets caught undertaking gas fitting and is not registered he can be fined - £200. Some are finding it cheaper to pay the fine every two years or so when they get caught rather than to get registered due to the costs involved in doing so.

There are currently some 96,000 nationally registered fitters, in 5 years time it is estimated there will only be 66,000. The 30,000 shortfall is put down to more and more of the original fitters (ex British gas trained) getting to retirement age and too low a current intake to counter the shortfall. The British Gas Board has recognised this but is now embarking on a programme for apprentices where the original 3-year course is being fast-tracked into a one-year period. Time will tell if this is practical when you consider the level of assessments, which they will need to meet to become ACS Accredited.

National Gas Training Assessments

The speaker then attempted in a very short period to explain some of the involved conditions, which must be faced by fitters to become accredited. Some old style certificates issued as ACoPs, which were valid for 5 years, could be unsuitable as basis for the new style accreditation as they were not truly "competence" based which the latest ones are.

Domestic fitters could face some 8 different assessments covering: -

Natural Gas Safety

Central Heating Boilers

Cooking appliances

Ducted Air Heaters

Gas fires and wall heaters

Instantaneous water heaters

Gas meters

Changeover from natural gas to LPG

The list and conditions for Commercial gas fitters is even more involved and complex and a colleague of the speaker had indicated that he felt there were now some 220 ACS Assessments which could be taken for gas fitting accreditation in one form or another

Summary

The speaker indicated that March 2003 would be ‘crunch’ date for a number of gas fitters – it being the date when their current ACoP tickets will finish and they will need to go for re-qualification. CITB are currently estimating that some 40% of the current gas fitters will either not be able to gain access to the new testing centers or will fail the new ACS Assessments

A lively question time followed and the chairman voiced a vote of thanks and presented the speaker with a small token of appreciation on behalf of the members

9.0 DATE OF NEXT MEETING

Members were reminded that the next Branch meeting had been set at:

Thursday 12 October 2000 at 1330, Donaldson’s College, West Coates

With the topic being

CoMAH Regulations and their Enforcement

Miss Lin Bunten , SEPA, Stirling

&

Members were reminded that the first Proposed District meeting had been set at:

Thursday 09 November 2000 at 1900, Kinross High School

With the topic being

Forensic Science – The Scene of the Crime

Steve Sole, Lothian and Borders Police

10.0 CLOSURE

The Chairman thanked all for their attendance and contribution and bade them a safe journey homeward; then closed the meeting apologising for the lack of tea but encouraged the Members still to mingle.

Christopher E White MBE FIOSH,RSP             Brian A Pill FIOSH,RSP

Branch Secretary                                                         Branch Chairman

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