Session 9 Listserve Summary

 

How I participated in the RTEACHER Listserve

I have been a participating member of the RTEACHER Listerve at www.reading.org.  From my experience during the first Listserve Discussion period I learned that a - the Digest was an awkward and unreliable form of communication and b – that I could log onto RTEACHER directly, view the latest archives and respond to them from within the archive site.  For the second Listserve Discussion period I used the Listserve archive area in this way, as a Bulletin Board discussion area. 

 

My weekly routine included checking the archives 3-4 times per week to review the topics under discussion and to choose the topics I wished to respond to.  My responses included direct communication with a posting (14) , following up internet links included in a discussion (6), saving/filing postings with information useful to me (23), forwarding information to other teachers (2), and making a note of resources to pursue in the future.  Each subsequent visit to the site involved checking for answers to my own posting and reviewing the posting of others. 

 

Eventually, I devised a routine for downloading discussions I was involved in or those which had information which I wanted to save for future reference.  The most efficient way for me to do this was to copy the desired text and paste it into a *.txt document labeled with the subject of the discussion.  In addition to saving copies of each discussion thread I was interested in, at the end of each week I copied the full archive page and saved it as a *.mht file so that I would have a contextual zed record of the threads I was saving.  This record has significantly helped me as I reflect on my participation and learning in this activity.

 

What I’ve learned through participation in the RTEACHER Listserve

 

For a summary of all discussion topics I participated in and observed, see the attached document RTEACHER Discussion log.doc .

 

Well, I’ve learned TONS.  After overcoming my initial frustrations with the process of how this Listserve works, I began to notice that there were some really cogent topics being discussed.  and I realized that, if I paid attention, I could learn a lot from those who were posting.  I think we were only required to participate in two topics … but it was hard for me to resist the wealth of opportunity spread out before me.  I’ve spent so many years in remote allocations with few available resources.  I tend to be a glutton when things DO become available to me.  My focus was on topics that a- would fill-n-the-gaps regarding competencies for this course, b – were personally intriguing, and c – would help me in training others.  A few highlights:

 

Re: Accelerated Reader – I observed that there are mixed feelings about this program.  Many teachers seem to see it largely as an incentive program (despite the designers disclaimers otherwise).  I also observed that there is no real agreement on whether it is a good or a bad program.  There was not very much discussion about effectiveness.  I wanted to know why there is a disconnect between the Reading Panel’s analysis and that of Topper, who wrote an article posted within IRA’s Online journal.  I learned that the short answer is that the National Reading Panel was politically biased, according to some – and so, the “research” is not all equal.  This will take a lot more time to sort out if I want a fuller answer.

 

Re: Multiple Levels in One Classroom – The discussion was centering on concerns about how to grade – according to growth or according to standards?  i.e. which is fair and for whom?  I was interested to know if anyone has been successful at doing both.  David Grossman introduced me to the term “Differentiated Instruction” coined by Carol Ann Tomlinson and led me to her resources and an internet site.  I followed these and got my eyes opened about practical ways to adjust the classroom to meet the needs of a wide diversity of students.  This is a topic I’d like to have time to sit on for a while longer, so I plan to buy Tomlinson’s book at the next opportunity.  I’m interested in these resources for my own benefit as well as for use in staff development.

 

Re: ESL Phonics – I was astounded to read Michelle Yip (Sept 15)  say:  “I have never had any formal phonics lessons and I struggled in school for the longest time.  I am from Hong Kong and I was eleven when I started school in the US.  if no one had taught me a word, I can’t read it. …Just imagine a child trying to read a textbook that she can’t read any word she had never encountered before.  It was a nightmare.”  I didn’t see that thread of discussion until at least a week after the posting and I was still learning my way around.  I really wanted to ask her if she had started learning in Chinese before coming to the U.S.  I must assume so – and as Chinese is not phonetically written it is likely that she expected for English to be the same…I must follow up with her.  AND I will remember this experience when I’m working with school-aged ethnic Chinese who have already begun intensive memorization of characters.

 

Re:  4 Blocks – The RTEACHER was the first time I’d heard of this approach to organizing language arts.  Subsequently, of course, we’ve had an article by Patricia Cunningham in “Best Practices”.  However, I wanted to learn more about this method since it is so streamlined and easy to communicate while also including all of the essential elements of best practice.  So I spent some time on the internet researching a bit and found Cheryl Sigmon’s excellent site.  I was so impressed with her generous spirit and willingness to share her experience and expertise with the public.  This site is singular in both its practical help and lack of copyright restrictions!  She obviously wants to train and teach.  So this makes it an excellent professional development site.  I know I’ll be back there some more, because I want to get a good handle on this methodology and its application.  It has tremendous potential for the kinds of multi-level and multi-cultural learning environments that I consult for…. I may even attend a workshop.

 

Re:   Fluency and Assessment – I was pleased to glean both an excellent article that explains the role of fluency in reading development and some excellent rubrics for assessing fluency.  When I work with parents teaching their own children and with teachers who may not have been trained in the newer ways of doing things, it is always helpful to have tools such as this to give them further training and to provide the kind of structure that they feel they need to know they are doing what they need to do.  I like having resources that offer a short, clear explanation of the theory, research as well as offering practical direct application.

 

Re: Blogs and Blogging – This topic had a lot of activity and stimulated my thinking/creativity significantly.  I can’t wait to find some time to investigate the links that were suggested because I want to learn how to set up my own blogs for both students and parents.   I was concerned about security, but that concern was answered satisfactorily by others with more experience who responded to my caution.  I’m excited about trying blogs as a means for literature discussion and staff development as well as progressive story blogs for creative writing.  Blogging is an ideal medium for addressing the needs of those with whom I consult as they are often spread far apart from one another, it would be a great way for creating a mini-literacy community.

 

I know of a family that is living in an extremely isolated location where they are the only English speakers.  The son attends a local national language school and the mother supplements with English reading and writing at home.  Motivation is an issue for this young boy – likely in part, because English literacy is an add-on in his world.  As he is a very concrete thinker and likes “real things” rather than fiction, I think getting him connected into the cyber world could give him some sense of purpose for English literacy.

 

Re:  Study Groups and Professional Development – through this discussion thread I learned a new way to think about staff development.  Others talked about their experience of using the Book Club format in their school centered around a chosen professional development book.  As was pointed out, this is a great alternative to the workshop environment (which may be too time intensive) and a huge improvement over lecture style presentations.  I like how a book discussion would build on each teacher’s prior knowledge and would honor each participant as a holder of knowledge to be respected.  Collaborative discussion could center around how the material does or does not apply to “our” situation…as well as what me might do differently as a result of reading this section ……..chapter ………book.  I got some great books to try and find from reading this discussion thread, and hope to try this method out … maybe we’ll do a blog!  Technology can also be enlisted by organizing a group discussion within a predetermined set of people using discussion outlines and resources offered at Rteacher. Teachers who have experience with the discussion group method of staff development have seen amazingly rapid responses through out their whole school.  One of the keys is choosing good books, of course, and plenty of suggestions were offered.  Another key is good questions and discussion, guides for this were also offered.

 

All in all, this Lstserve turned out to be a worthwhile endeavor for me.  I learned a lot about using technology.  One of the problems I ran into is not fully downloading text so that I can easily reference it in the future.  Consequently, there are a lot of holes in my documentation.  But I am learning about how to manage all of this information more efficiently.  I am also storing away ideas about how to help novices (including future students) to more effectively access, navigate, and apply information available on the cyber-highway.  I also learned a lot about teaching reading, and I look forward to checking out this archive site on a regular basis in the future.  It is a good place to find out what is “hot” and what is not.  It’s a good place to glean from the experience of others.  It’s a good place to collect up to date resources.  It’s a good place to get quick reviews on curriculum.  The only real problem I had was in knowing when to STOP reading more good ideas.  I spent much more time on this than I needed to … but then, this course is supposed to be built around self-directed learning J

 

For a list of Resources I discovered via this ListServe that I want to remember and/or find see attachment:  Resource List.doc

 

Documentation of Discussion I engaged in:

 

About Accelerated Reader

Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:54 PM

Subject: Re: Accelerated Reader

Gail said:

Over the last few years I've read lots of discussions about AR, but what is the actual research on it? Does it improve test scores or truly encourage reading?  The discussions are always from our personal experiences, but I want to know what an independent researcher might say.

Any information?

 

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:59:17

Christy Jenkins wrote:

 

the national reading panel did not find that students using ar made

significant gains in reading.

 

Date:         Thu, 16 Sep 2004 03:49:56

From:         Pam Gentry

Subject:      Re: Accelerated Reader

 

Interesting.  What, then, is the deal with the article in the Reading Online archives by Topping (1999)"Formative Assessment of Reading Comprehension by Computer: Advantages and Disadvantages of The Accelerated Reader Software?  It seems to be a very well researched and balanced article.  His conclusion is that, implemented properly, AR CAN be influential in improving student reading.  Though, much of the research that he cites has more to do with the general benefits of increased reading practice in general, I think he does give some evidence for AR being specifically effective.  I guess I'll have to go look at what the reading panel said.  Why do you think there is a discrepency in these two seemingly equal) sources?

 

Response from Joan is currently unavailable as the RTEACHER archives are offline.

 

Date:         Thu, 23 Sep 2004 03:00:03

From:         Pam Gentry

Subject:      Re: Accelerated Reader

 

Thank you Joan- this gives me some things to chew on.  So when it comes down to it, you can't just quote research, but have to also have an evaluation of the quality of the research....this is what makes our profession so frustrating politcally, I think.  Few people take that much time to consider the factors.

 

About Multiple Level Classsroom

 

Date:         Wed, 29 Sep 2004 01:37:52 -0700

From:         Ellen Petra <[email protected]>

Subject:      Multiple Levels in One Classroom

How do you deal with a class consisting of students with varied reading and writing levels?  Is there a manageable, fair, yet interesting way to meet the needs of all the students in the class?

 

Date:    Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:07:15 -0400
From:    Pam Gentry
Subject: Re: Multiple Levels in One Classroom

 

The best way, really is thematic units based on a variety of real books at mutliple levels combined with real writing responses.  You can keep the class together by chosing a chapter book Read Aloud to build your theme around.  Various levels of exploration can be done cross-curricularly, the same basic writing assignment can be given to multiple levels --- only the level of response will be different.

 

Date:         Thu, 30 Sep 2004 06:42:22 -0500

From:         Susan Stepp <[email protected]>

Subject:      Re: Multiple Levels in One Classroom

 

I agree with Pam on using thematic units. My situation is a little different, but similar. I teach with another lady and together we have grades 1-5 gifted. Our kids are not all in the room at the same time,but we use the same unit for all grades. We use the same materials and do the same projects. We find the students will gravitate toward the materials that fit their academic level--no matter what their grade level. Our grading is based on If they have gone through the process and completed the projects/products according to their level/ability.

 

Ellen comes back;

Thanks, Pam

How do I keep the grading fair, though?  If the students are suppose to meet certain standards, how do I make sure that the grading reflects that, but still keep in mind that some students are not at the level they should be at?

 

Date:    Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:47:10 -0400
From:    Pam Gentry

Subject: Re: Multiple Levels in One Classroom

Are all of your students in the same grade?  Or do you have several grades in the same classroom?  If you have more than one grade in the classroom, they would not all be expected to meet the same standards.  Each child would function at their own level and be measured against the standards that apply to their level....If all of your students are in the same grade, then, I guess it becomes a bit trickier...you have to do your assessments at two levels: a-according to each child's learning goals (keeping porfolios should help with this) and b-in reference to the grade
level standards.  When evaluating specific assignments, you can make your rubrics reflect the level of work at which the child is functioning so that they can know what they are working on.  Then periodically you can reflect their overall progress against the expectations for grade level.

If any of your low performing students have IEP's this should help a lot, because the ndividualized performance standards should be noted.

It would be nice, if report cards were allowed to reflect this sort of reporting.  It would help both the teachers who are actually trying to teach, and the authorities who want to see some accountability.

 

Date:    Sat, 2 Oct 2004 05:55:22 -0700
From:    Ellen Petra 
Subject: Re: Multiple Levels in One Classroom

Thanks for the advice, Pam!  My students are all at the same grade level.  Whenever I give a test, I am certain that three students in particular will not be able to pass it.  I've even given modified tests, which helps them, but I feel as though it may not be fair to the others.  Our report cards reflect grades based on their grade level.  The students I am concerned with do not have IEPs.  As far as the school is concerned, they are regular students---but they are definitely way below grade level in terms of reading and writing ability.

 

David Grossman comments, introducing the term “differentiated instruction” – documentation momentarily lost

 

Date:    Mon, 4 Oct 2004 06:13:36 -0400
From:    Pam Gentry <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Multiple Levels in One Classroom--differentiated instruction

I appreciate your comments David-
It seems like whether or not we are using the term (differentiated instruction) most of us are doing it in practice.  It is the only way to actually meet the needs of the students.  But, the crux of the issue is how to grade?  you've put it so well.  We have competing values for the purpose of grading: a. to measure the student against himself in regard to achieving personal learning goals b. to measure the student against a standard of attainment expected for each grade level... What to do?

In a single classroom you can both developmentally delayed children and gifted students and everything in between.  If we are comparing them against one another or even the curriculum, we could probably just give them grades for the year the moment they walk in the door....but that
doesn't inform instruction!

I'm sure this dilema may be part of the driving force toward using portfolios for assessment.  But the problem with them is that they do no offer easily accessible statistics....Is there a good answer?

 

Date:    Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:03:52 -0400
From:    Joan Slavens <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Multiple Levels in One Classroom--differentiated instruction I have heard of the term 'differentiated instruction' and have some concept of what it is.  But how does one actually apply it?  How do administrators, students, and parents understand or not understand it?  Does anyone have a good resource for finding additional information about this for a new teacher?  Sorry for all the questions - wish I had more answers!

 

Date:    Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:34:28 -0500
From:    Susan Stepp <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Multiple Levels in One Classroom--differentiated instruction

I highly recommend Susan Weinbrenner's book "Teaching gifted students in the regular classroom." It's on differentiating in the regular classroom. Although it's aimed at the gifted, the principles apply to all students. She includes a lot of sample materials.

 

Date:         Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:47:02 -0400

From:         David Grossman <[email protected]>

Subject:      Re: Multiple Levels in One Classroom--differentiated instruction

 

The guru of Differentiated Instruction is Carol Ann Tomlinson.  She has autored several books on DI which are published by ASCD.  I have read her book _How to Differentiate Instruction in the Mixed Ability Classroom_ and it gives a good overview of differentiation.  She has a new book out that gives samples of differentiated curriculum also.  This link should take you to a listing of her books from ASCD http://www.ascd.org/cms/index.cfm?TheViewID=650#T

 

Another thought is layered curriculum.  I have not used it, but I think if it's done right, it can provide differentitation. http://www.help4teachers.com/  here is a site for it.

 

My principal put together this little pdf file that is an overview of differentiated instruction. 

http://66.38.63.171/conference/pdf/T1.pdf

 

We have a DI study group at school that is getting ready to study one of Carol Tomlinson's new books.  I'll let you know how it goes and whether or not I get any wonderful ideas from it.

 

 

Encouraging Inferential thinking/middle school students

Date:    Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:01:27 -0400
From:    Amy LaFever <[email protected]>
Subject: Encouraging inferential thinking/middle school students

…I teach 6th grade English, and I have found over the past several years that my students struggle with inferential thinking, especailly when dealing with new, non-fiction text.  Does anyone have any suggested activities they use with middle school students when focusing on making inferences or drawing conclusions from what is being read?  Any suggested resources
(literature/research) would also be greatly appreciated.

 

Date:         Fri, 24 Sep 2004 06:46:51 -0400

From:         Pam Gentry <[email protected]>

Subject:      Re: Encouraging inferential thinking/middle school students

 

I've struggled with this with middle schoolers, too. I think a lot of this has to do with developmental stages.  Thinking inferentially requires making a lot of connections and some ability to manage abstractions.  Many 6th graders are still very concrete in their thinking.  As the kids get a bit older, they seem to do better.  Also, I think there has likely been

some modeling by the time kids get to 6th grade which leads the kids to think there is always one right answer, and that answer should be obvious.  By 6th grade many kids have lost their willingness to take risks in the classroom. These are just some of the conclusions I've come to, and would love to hear what others think.

 

As for what to do?  Here's an idea to try.  I've noticed that when middle schoolers are engaged in something that relates to their everyday lives and is meaningful to them, their willingness to conjecture, evaluate, and propose solutions is greater.  So what you might want to do is start with a daily discussion time of say, 5-10 minutes on some topic dear to their heart ... pose a problem...give a few facts ... and then have the kids discuss what they can conclude and can't conclude.  Do this as a brainstorming session, keeping notes of all comments on the board so the

kids can see that you value all input. Another step would be to ask them "why" they think their conclusion is a good one or a bad one.  A likely possiblity or an unlikely one.  The "why" part will get them to think critically about justifying their answer.  All the while you can be

pounding on the phrase "what inferences can you make?"  Maybe you could present it as the "Daily Mystery"....At some point you can decide to model this same thinking approach to reading.  Maybe even make it a group project, each group reads a passage and discusses the inferences they can

make.  They can decide on their best inference and give the reasons.

 

Follow-up COULD be a very dynamic class debate :-)

 

The point is to get them away from expecting there is a "right" answer to everything and that there are reasons for every answer

 

Response not currently available – RTEACHER offline

 

About Blogs and security

 

Date:         Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:20:16 -0400

From:         susanok

Subject:      Blogs

 

Recently,researchers  have increasingly resorted to keeping their journals on the Web in Weblogs, usually referred to as blogs. Blogs are relatively recent communication tools that allow instant publishing on the Web. They also allow for others ( other researchers, the public) to stop and comment on your Weblog. Sometimes even the author you are writing about may venture

onto your blog and share his/her thoughts. Blogs are used to share thoughts and information, to build networks of communication, to keep track of your research, to sharpen writing skills. Do a Google search and you will be able to choose a blog in your area of interest. There are sites where you can make our own blog in minutes.

 

Date:         Thu, 14 Oct 2004 02:35:10 -0400

 

From:         Pam Gentry

Subject:      Re: Blogs

what a great idea.  thank you for the info.  I haven't done a lot of actual reading of blogs.  But have been reading ABOUT them for a while. Now I'm even more intrigued.  I wonder about the issue of confidentiality and protection of privacy ... obviously, I would not publish anything that

I didn't want others to read, even on the web.  But how about with kids? Should we encourage our students to blog?

 

Date:         Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:13:59 -0400

From:         susanok

Subject:      Re: Blogs

 

Pam,

You've asked a good question. Should we encourage students to use blogs as a communication tool? I think their use would help students write more....but there is always the question of whom is responding to their writing and why....However, most students from grade 6 and up here chat on MSN ...however it is  more secure in that you have to give someone permission to enter onto your chat space. Blogs..something to ponder.

Date:         Fri, 15 Oct 2004 00:47:45 -0500

 

From:         chanmi lim

Subject:      Re: Blogs

 

In response to security...You can set up blogs that are maintained by a web manager (you the teacher) that filters who is and is not allowed to respond.

 

Date:         Fri, 15 Oct 2004 05:02:46 -0400

From:         Pam Gentry

Subject:      Re: Blogs

ahhh.  So you just set up the blog at a secure site where you have access only if you are identified as an acceptable user?

 

This has a lot of potential.  For example, I can see setting up a blog for doing an "continued story" where kids logon to add chapters or scenes of a story.  This could get quite hilarious and very creative.  All of the excerpts could be collected and published as a class book...fun.

pg

 

Numerous postings about Progressive stories and sites for participating in literacy circles in blog format ensue

 

About Recycling

 

From: Kelly
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 6:20 AM
Subject: recycle/ conservation unit: Any Ideas??? =3D)

I am working on a recycling/ conservation unit for my 4th grade students.  Does anyone have cool ideas for an introductory lesson plan to the unit.  Within the unit we will cover what it means to recycle and have a discussion on resources (renewable and non-renewable).  Any ideas
to introduce and grab their interest, in a mini-lesson.

Date:    Thu, 14 Oct 2004 02:43:23 -0400
From:    Pam Gentry <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: recycle/ conservation unit: Any Ideas??? =)

Forgive me if this is the second time I've responded to this.  I don't see my original post...

Check out the materials and lessons available through the Gould League of Australia www.gould.edu.au

The Gould League is a non-profit for promoting environmental education. They have some truly great stuff.  Much is oriented to Australia (so make good fodder for an Australia unit!) But much is generic, too.

Fair dinkum. (that's Aussie for "good stuff")
pg

 

 

About My Book

 

Date:    Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:31:12 -0400

From:    Leigh Platt Rogers <[email protected]>

Subject: My book: Sticky Situations

 

Hello!

 

In my presentations about the book, I try to capture the listener's attention and imagination with fascinating, dramatic, funny and educational stories of different cultures, people and some pretty amazing, life-changing events. I also talk about the art of story-telling and writing techniques. The teachers I have worked with have told me how motivated their students are to write their own stories after they've heard my presentation. I've received much appreciation from both parents

and teachers since the students come away with a very positive outlook on writing and some even tell me they want to become an author!

 

Sticky Situations was written for children aged 7 and older but the more readers I hear from, it appears that the content is appropriate and entertaining enough for all ages - including adults. I have spoken to different schools - both public and private (2nd grade to 5th grades so

far), as well as professional associations, and I have received much praise and support for both my book and the "delightful manner" in which the contents were presented. I truly love doing the presentations – the students are always so curious & have lots of questions for me at the end!

 

Date:    Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:52:38 -0400

From:    Pam Gentry <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: My book: Sticky Situations

 

Well Leigh!  Thanks for the book review.  I consult with families and children overseas and am always on the lookout for more reading directed at kids about cross-cultural living experiences.  Thanks for the tip :-) Where can I find the book?

 

Response:

 

Sticky Situations: Stories of Childhood Adventures Abroad is a must read for children and adults alike (7 years and older). This 184-page book of 50 short stories is accompanied by actual photos of the places and friends Leigh has enjoyed. It is available for $11.95 by contacting Infinity Publishing at 877-BUYBOOK or online with all major on-line booksellers including www.amazon.com, www.barnesandnoble.com, and www.buybooksontheweb.com.  (ISBN: 0-7414-1754-5)

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