ARE THERE LIVING BEINGS IN SUN
PLANET?
&
ONE WAY TO UNDERSTAND THE EXISTENCE
OF GOD
Vijay: Tell me how a brick is made?
Venkat: with mud
Vijay: Tell all ingredients..
Venkat: and soil
Venkat: water
Vijay: put in one line..
Venkat: soil, mud, water, sunrays
Vijay: yes.
Vijay: we mix mud, water, heat, and then later cool them with air.......
Venkat: yes
Vijay: so the basic elements in this are: earth, water, fire & air…
right...?
Vijay: then..... Tell how body is made of ?
Vijay: how our body is made of ? what
is the combination of our body ?
Venkat: the combination of our body is 5 basic elements of
material nature
Vijay: ok.... we eat rice, vegetables right....
Venkat: yes
Vijay: so these are transformation of earth..... one
way...we eat earth...indirectly....
Venkat: yes
Vijay: then we need water.....
Venkat: yes
Vijay: what about fire? we have fire in stomach
..... which digests......... we have heat in
body...... that says we have fire in our body, but not very significant....
Venkat: yes
Vijay: then .. air is
required.... to maintain...our body..
Vijay: so fundamentally even our body is made of: earth, water, fire, air..
Venkat: yes
Vijay: one more thing about brick.... : we used
bricks to construct houses.,,, etc..
Venkat: yes
Vijay: Again....I will take you to different direction..
Venkat: ok
Vijay: what about ocean.......
Vijay: there are many fish and other types of living beings in ocean.... how
is their body made of ??
Venkat: even they r also made up of same water, earth, air and
fire
Vijay: yes
Venkat: but the quantity of dependency varies
Vijay: yes
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One day
passed….
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Venkat: we will start now
Vijay: ok
Vijay: yesterday we were in ocean...
Venkat: yes
Vijay: in ocean...we have so many kinds of living beings...... even more
than varieties on the earth because, ocean is 3/4th of
the planet...
Vijay: next....another thing.... can you find living beings
, inside earth.....?? if you dig...?
Venkat: yes
Venkat: some will be there
Vijay: even inside earth...there are certain types of living beings....which
never see the day light...but live inside
Vijay: next thing is to understand...one point...common on earth, in air, in
ocean and inside earth....
Venkat: ok
Vijay: all these are provided by material nature..... we
don't know how we get our body, nor do animals know how they get those
bodies....but thing is we have bodies....and everyone has does... and everyone
is maintained....with their respective FOOD....
Venkat: ok
Vijay: just like a machine car, it requires petrol to run... similar way
every body is like a machine... which needs certain types of food..
Venkat: yes
Vijay: now consider a bigger picture.. what planet earth IS in consideration to the universe ?
Vijay: it is just like a dust particle in a hurricane.....or wind.....
Venkat: ok
Vijay: so, earth is a infinitesimal part of the
whole universe...
Vijay: even in infinitesimal part, we find many kinds of atmospheres, like
living on earth, living in water, living inside earth, etc...., so why should we neglect, that
nature might have provided suitable bodies that are suited for atmosphere in
Sun.... Why should we apply our principles to Sun?
Vijay: we cannot apply our rules....inside water or inside earth.... we
cannot live in earth or water…It does not mean no one can live in there...
Vijay: any counter arguments ??
Venkat: i think sun will be having very
very hot atmosphere
Vijay: OK... there is a way to explain this..
Venkat: which won’t bave all these air ,
water , mud ,
Vijay: For example.... there is a very healthy man.....
Venkat: ok
Vijay: Suppose, in accident he loses his legs..., and then later recovers
after 2 years.
Venkat: ok
Vijay: before accident, and after accident... there person as he is remains
same.... He does not become half-person... as individual person...he remains
full.... so that person, soul, is not dependent on body.... but body is
dependent on soul, that person, the individual living being in the body.
Venkat: ok
Vijay: even....our body.....it changes completely in 7 years....according to
medical science, all the cells in our body are changed completely in 7 years... , so by now, we must have changed body 4 times..
Vijay: suppose, if my finger or hand is burnt in the fire...... will I lose
my-self?
Venkat: no
Vijay: So fire does not affect the person as such, it can effect
the body (which is build by our eating rice, which is transformation of
earth)..,
Venkat: ok
Vijay: So, if a person, can have a body, which is not made of earth, but
made of another element, which cannot be effected by fire..
then a soul/person
can reside in that body.....
Vijay: For example :
Vijay: Our body is not suited to live in
Venkat: yes
Vijay: Similar way, if material nature can provide bodies, which can resist
fire, heat, then living beings can exist in Sun...
Venkat: yes
Venkat: u r right
Vijay: Actually it is fact confirmed by Bhagavad
Gita......that "nainam dahati
pavakah" == mean.. soul is never burnt by fire, nor moistened by water..., nor
cut by weapons.... it has different nature == "spirit"..
Vijay: in this world, there are two natures 1) material (house, table,
computer, etc) 2) spiritual (people,
persons, individuals --even they have animal or human, or any other body made
of material nature..)
Vijay: So, fire is also a material element, and it can never effect the superior nature, soul, but fire can effect
material nature, elements made of earth.... but not soul...which is superior
nature...
Vijay: One more fact :
Venkat: ok
Vijay: from Vedic literature, it is said, there is Sun God named Vivasvan,
now in Sun, and there is civilization living in Sun planet now...people having fiery
bodies.
Vijay: Earlier, there are instances in Vedas, that
Demigods like Sun God, Indra, etc. used to visit Earth planet to meet sages and
saintly kings here...
Vijay: We think it is story, myth...BUT FACTS are different..
Venkat: ok
Vijay: Earlier these demigods are invited.....for some sacrifices.....Now a days....no one knows these things...
Venkat: ok
Vijay: So, they never care about humans in Earth planet....They will come
later...after the end of Kali-Yuga....we have still 4 lakh
22 thousand years remaining to end Kali-Yuga....Later, another cyle of Yugas will start, from Satya
Yuga..
Venkat: ok
Vijay: Even scientists...think no one can live in Moon, because it is very
very cold.
Venkat: yes
Vijay: But from Vedas....we know Moon is heavenly planet, where people drink
Soma Rasa (Heavenly Wine) and enjoy...
Vijay: Even in
Venkat: ok
Venkat: yes
Vijay: And they have greater powers than us....
Venkat: ok
Vijay: They can remain invisible.....so when our Scientists go there... they
never find any thing..... to let them believe in their
Frogs philosophy .... that only Earth has living
beings... One more IMPORTANT consideration is : the living beings in Moon Planet, may not be exactly living on the Surface of the MOON, THEY MIGHT be living inside the MOON GLOBE, & the outer covering is JUST a natural COOL PREVENTION arrangement by the Supreme Lord?? Because we know there living beings in side the water in our planet, SO THERE might be chance that there is a CIVILIZATION inside the MOON GLOBE NOW. And the existence of CIVILIZATION IS already confirmed in the Vedas. For MOON PLANET : THE PRESIDENT IS NAMED 'CHANDRA'. So it is called CHANDRA LOKA.
Vijay: Just like....in Radio signals....... or Antennas... We receive
pictures... in TV......
Venkat: yes
Vijay: This is subtle science.....these films / images are transferred through
Ether, sky...
Venkat: yes
Vijay: in similar way...... Moon, Sun planet residents have Ethereal
bodies....Much powerful than us... They can assume any form they like...just
like ethereal forms in ether, become picture in the TV.
Venkat: oho
Vijay: but, we scientists, who are intelligent, cannot think like this, so
who is blind ? who is
mythical ?
Vijay: Because we are mythical.... we think every things outside earth is
mythical...."ATMAVAT PASYATI JAGAT"... because I am mad, everyone
else is mad....
Venkat: so they are only mythical
Venkat: yes
Venkat: human mentality is like that
Vijay: yah...our scientists cannot have this broad-thinking..... they want to see, touch & get a feel..... this is the problem..
Venkat: that’s why we will always think we are only great
Vijay: exactly...
Venkat: yes
Vijay: we flatter ourselves....and take pleasure in it....In the same
way....we flatter
Vijay: We can this phenomenon more with Americans..... They want to get
flattered so much....so instead of flattering themselves... they flatter whole
Vijay: Finally it boils down to "self-flattering" approach.
Venkat: yes
Vijay: So you can understand now the import of "Dr. Frog
Philosophy" also called "Manduka Nyaya in Vedic literature"
Vijay: We apply our rules.....just because we cannot imagine or understand,
it does not mean no one can imagine more or understand more..
Venkat: yes
Vijay: Frog = Little mind, not broad-minded
thinking...
Venkat: ok
Vijay: actually, if we discuss , we can also prove
the presence of God...,Sri Krishna..
Venkat: ok
Vijay: We need to start some where else not from
Venkat: ok
Vijay: let us first talk about us...human beings...
Vijay: There are human beings in
Venkat: ok
Vijay: Every one has 2 hands, 2 legs, 2 eyes, 1 nose, 2 ears, 1 belly,
etc....
Venkat: ok
Vijay: But difference is there is Variety of bodies....... but fundamentally
all are humans.....persons & individuals..
Vijay: Similar way..... There are elephants in
Venkat: ok
Vijay: First, there is Variety in similar species (Americans, Indians, Africans,
etc), and also there is variety in living beings (humans, trees, reptiles,
aquatics, plants, etc)
Venkat: yes
Vijay: So, if we understand that there is ONE SOURCE for Human
beings......(which have varieties), in similar way, there is ALSO ONE SOURCE
for All varieties -- humans, animals, trees, aquatics, etc.
Vijay: ONE SOURCE == from WHERE EVERYTHING CAME...
Venkat: ok
Vijay: We can imagine that there is ONLY ONE SOURCE for everything....
Venkat: ok
Vijay: This is confirmed in Vedanta First Aphorisms: THAT SUPREME IS SOURCE
OF EVERYTHING....
Vijay: Janmadi Asya Yatah == SOURCE OF EVERYTHING..
Venkat: ok
Vijay: One more point to note is Bhagavatam also starts with Janmadi asya
yatah...
Vijay: Janmadi == Janma is Birth (Creation), Adi = Maintenance and
Destruction....
Vijay: If we see, we are born, created, then we are maintained for 70 or 100
years... then we are destroyed.....THIS IS THE RULE OF MATERIAL NATURE....
Venkat: ok
Vijay: Actually that ONE SOURCE is the cause of Creation, Maintenance and
Destruction of Everything....
Vijay: is this OK??
Venkat: ok
Vijay: This activity continues with every things,
with us, with trees, with plants, with fish, with buildings, with any thing,
with cars, with bi-cycles, etc.
Vijay: Nothing is barred.....That is the rule.
Venkat: yes
Vijay: So the next thing to understand....For example.
Vijay: How Frooti is made of?
Vijay: tell me.
Venkat: first they will collect mango fruits
Venkat: they will take juice
Venkat: they will mix up with some chemicals
Venkat: and they will make a Frooti
Vijay: perfect...
Vijay: So we can say mango & chemicals are the source of Frooti
Venkat: yes
Vijay: Frooti is sweet because Mango is sweet....
Venkat: yes
Vijay: In the same way, WE ARE PERSONS because that ONE SOURCE IS ALSO A
PERSON.
Venkat: yes
Vijay: Otherwise.....If ONE SOURCE is maintaining EVERYTHING in this WORLD
(in which we PERSONS live) .... How can we deny personality
to that SUPREME SOURCE?
HOW DO WE KNOW that ONE SOURCE is maintainingg us ALL ?? -- Simple answer is there are varities of bodies in this world, like humans, animals, reptiles, trees, insects, etc. And almost each species survive on SPECIFIC FOOD STUFF that is already arranged by THAT ONE SOURCE. So, we are persons; we enjoy our food; so that ONE SOURCE which has arranged us the FOOD must also have personality. Because since that SOURCE IS SUPREME PERSON, he has already ARRANGED FOOD FOR DIFFERENT KINDS OF LIVING BEINGS (which are all individuals, person) depending on the nature of activities, say KARMA.
Venkat: yes
Venkat: you are right
Vijay: We need to go to next level....from here..
Vijay: How your mother calls you? in what names ?
Vijay: what ever nick names..
Vijay: tell me..
Venkat: yes
Venkat: Prasad
Venkat: ore
Venkat: Babu
Venkat: Nanna
Vijay: ok.
Vijay: So, we are persons, who last not more than 100 years.... WE HAVE
NAMES......So that SUPREME SOURCE who lasts for INFINITE TIMES, Can't he have
INFINITE names, BECAUSE HE CAN ACT INFINITELY....
Vijay: We can have only one or two or three names because we can act only finitely....
Venkat: yes
Vijay: But THAT SUPREME SOURCE can act infinitely, SO he can have INFINITE
NAMES...like Jehova, Christ, Allah,
Venkat: yes
Venkat: u r right
Vijay: And, these names of God, are not given or
Created by us....Actually God created everything....So His names are not our
creation.
Venkat: ok
Vijay: Instead we and our little creations ARE ALL PART OF BIGGER
CREATION of God.....
Venkat: ok
Vijay: So, we cannot imagine or create any thing and put on God......That is
why we have Vedas, Bhagavatam, Gita, Koran, Bible, which are authentic
representations of God...
Venkat: ok
Vijay: Problem is now a days, people don't understand what God is, so they
accept if any rascal who comes and says "I am God"..... God is
God...He never becomes God.... just like Krishna, when He was 3 days old,
Putana came to kill Him, but she got killed..........
Vijay: Just because He is little child, it does not reduce HIS POWER....
Venkat: ok
Vijay: But he controls everything else...
Venkat: ok
Vijay: We are also controllers, but minute controllers, but God is Supreme
Controller.
Venkat: ok
Vijay: Then we need to again to next level....
Venkat: ok
Vijay: You are a programmer, how do you like to be called by your Team Leader...
Programmer or Prasad?
Venkat: Prasad only
Vijay: in similar way God, SUPREMEN SOURCE is an abstract name.....God
wants to be called by His Names....
Venkat: ok
Vijay: Not as God..., Supreme Truth...these are abstract and lack
sweetness....
Venkat: ok
Vijay: So Sri Krishna has come down to earth, and enjoyed in Vrindavana,
later in Dwaraka, and later with the Pandavas.
Venkat: ok
Vijay: God is as much a person as we are....
Venkat: ok
Vijay: One more thing.....we know MAN IS MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD...is said
in Bible...
Venkat: oho
Vijay: We have human form; because it is awarded by God... not because WE
DID IT OURSELVES & that we created Sri Krishna. NO.
Venkat: ok
Vijay: Material nature has awarded this human form; not because we are
independent; we are given body by nature & that nature is also a Creation
of Sri Krishna.
Vijay: Nature can also give us dog or pig's body, when we act like dog or
pig...
Venkat: ok
Vijay: Even though we live 50 or 70 years or 100 years, which is NOTHING in comparison
to infinite time.......
Venkat: ok
Vijay: These 100 years are a chance given to Human form of life....to
understand God..... Otherwise.... we die and again take birth as some other
form, & slowly evolve to human form..... Because EVERY ONE IS IN
QUEUE.....to Human form.....just like we wait for the TICKETS...... in Cinema
hall...
Venkat: ok
Vijay: If we DON'T BUY TICKET AFTER reaching the END.... then we are thrown
back....and start again the QUEUE....for tickets...We need to traverse through
different form of life & finally given chance of human form again by the
nature.
Vijay: That is the reason there are different kinds of living beings.....
every one is in queue....
Vijay: Since this is Kali-yuga, people don't care what happens after
death...... even thought they live only few years...which are nothing in
comparison to infinite time..
Vijay: I need to go to lunch, we can chat later.
Venkat: ok
Venkat: thank you.