Alternative Boot/Binding Telemark Interfaces - Design Choices posted 22 Sep 97 revised 25 Oct 97 ============================================================= The Dynafit interface has offered the AT market a lightweight alternative binding with reasonable performance (and a few annoyances not inherent to the interface). There is no reason that the telemark market doesn't deserve the same innovation. Some have made the case for NNN-BC being an improvement over 75 mm, but this format has no takers in the all-plastic boot market (the only boots I'm interested in) and has several drawbacks. The bar/sole standard does not seem strong enough to handle the torque generated by the stiffest boots and a powerful skier. Another serious problem is that the format is not acceptable when hiking or climbing in rocky terrain. It might be possible to come up with some kind of cover for the bar to address this issue, though nobody has done it that I'm aware of. The two big questions I see for alternative interfaces that will lead designs down very different paths are: 1] How will the release be designed? There are two classes of release in ski bindings that I'm aware of: 1] direct release - the boot is the only thing that comes off the ski (all downhill bindings and most AT bindings) and 2] plate release - the boot is attached to a plate that releases from the ski (all telemark release bindings and the Ramer AT bindings). This choice will affect the shape of whatever metal fitting is installed in the boot - a direct release will require the interface to allow the binding part to let go of the boot part with the right release dynamics (for example, sufficient elasticity). An example of this design would be to have the boot/binding interface be similar to the Ramer dislocating ball/socket release. A direct release has a few advantages such as being able to design a brake so that whenever the boot is not on the ski, the brake is deployed. This makes it easier to carry the skis and to enter or exit the binding without the ski taking off. This seems difficult to do with a plate release (imagine an "OR" brake where it is deployed if the plate is off the ski OR if the boot is off the plate). Another advantage is that the lack of the metal release plate might lead to a lighter design. Plate release has a few things going for it though. It is possible to design for minimum quiver costs by having a cheap part mounted to the ski with the release part having the most cost (e.g. Ramer). Brakes are certainly still possible (e.g. Voile), but the boot must be very securely attached to the plate, or a strap attaching the boot to the plate will be necessary at lift areas. Since the release problem is decoupled from the interface problem, both can be optimized separately, and a 75 mm interface can use the same plate design and thus the same ski can run multiple boots. 2] What will hold the ball of the foot close to the ski for an effective telemark turn? All the possibilities I can think fit in two classes: 1] direct hold - the ball of the foot is held on the ski by fittings on the boot near the ball of the foot (no current implementation that I know of) and 2] hold via heel - grabbing the heel of the boot with material that is connected near the ball of the foot (all cable bindings as well as the Voile (plastic) plate). The direct hold is possible to implement with either type of release and might be easier to design into a step-in or pole-actuated binding. The binding is cleaner (nothing needs to be secured when throwing the skis in a car rack), and there is no cable failure problem. The hold via heel has a few advantages to compensate for its possible problems. Telemark performance can be fine tuned by adjusting where the material (cable, plate, etc.) is pivoted and how much tension the material exerts on the heel as it comes off the ski. If the sole of the boot wears out or is not as stiff as you like in the first place, compensation might be made by this adjustment. Also, when a cable is * used with fittings it is possible to fully unload the cable tension * and still have lateral stability. Thus one can set a touring tension * so that the heel comes off the ski easily and doesn't start to get * restricted until a point deep into the touring stride (some skiers * feel the complete freedom of an AT pivot is undesirible - kick turns * are harder and an occasional "knee on the ski" touring fall can * happen). Another tension could be optimized for telemarking and * ideally a pole could flip between the two choices. (Pole-actuated * pivot point locations would accomplish the same swithching of modes, * but is much harder to see how this could be realized.) If hold via * heel is implemented with a direct release, the loading on the cable could cause a release or possibly interfering with the release depending on the design. A plate release causes no problems. In addition to these two big questions, there are a few other issues that come to mind. How useful would it be to have backward compatibility with the Dynafit binding? You could then use your tele boots in a Dynafit set up (but only if the size were set correctly). I think of this as more of an issue to a manufacturer who can then cover more markets with one boot. I'm guessing compatibility in the other direction will be more difficult and probably rarely utilized since Dynafit compatible AT boots don't have soles that bend. Another issue is the fitting on the heel. For Dynafit fitting compatibility, the heel fitting design can't be changed much, but still might be useful in implementing a heel-lock unit (optional of course - those who don't want the weight, complexity, or possible loss in safety can either not attach the unit for that day or not buy it at all). For non-compatible fittings, all sorts of shapes for heel fittings are possible. If anyone has any thoughts on this matter that they are willing to share, follow-up posts or email will be read with interest. I'll repost a summary later in the season. - dara Notes on weight: The lightest 75mm release binding is currently the Voile CRB 3 pin/cable (the cable-only model is not recommended for plastic boots) at 1360g (Couloir VIII-1) whereas the Dynafit AT binding is listed at 570g (Backcountry Oct 95) and 740g (C VIII-2). (Somebody's scale isn't working?) The Silvretta SL, another binding using fittings, weighs in at 910g (B Oct 95) and 1050g (C VIII-2). 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