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dot1brunt-employee
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2003 21:10 pm    Post subject: anyone have any ideas? Reply with quote

Does anyone have any ideas as to where else to could move our forum to? They don't seem to be too understand or friendly to us here. Someone created a forum for us awhile back but that sites seems to be gone now. So if anyone has any idea's let us know.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2003 21:40 pm    Post subject: unemployment taxes Reply with quote

Before we get locked out here again, I am wondering if any of the other dot1 ex-employees have had any problems with getting unemployment? Over the last two weeks I've spent many, many hours on the phone with those people, and they are having trouble verifying my income from DotOne/LowestBids. I finally had to fax them all of my paycheck stubs from the nearly 6 months I worked there. The Nevada Unemployment people, who have been quite nice, tell me not to worry and that they will 'find' my income/pay information quickly, but I now worry whether "Bob" and his staff paid unemployment for us (or me, at least). So, if any of you (plural) are having problems like this, please let me know via this forum. Thks.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 1:21 am    Post subject: you mean me??? Reply with quote

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Does anyone have any ideas as to where else to could move our forum to? They don't seem to be too understand or friendly to us here. . .


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Before we get locked out here again, I am wondering if any of the other dot1 ex-employees . . .


dot1web ( what's the truth?)

drchaps, I apologize to you, and others if I brushed the threshhold of Forum Rules in my posts. Please apprieciate the situation for the ex-Dot1web people is far worse than is reflected by the atitudes of their posts. I am impressed by their high level of intellectual restraint, which I promise I will endeavor to match.

If I(?) created a 'duplicate thread', it was because I felt complelled to *get the truth out*, for they (ex-Dot1ers's) know not what they are dealing with. (I'm not sure I did, but professionally, it less embarassing to admit that I am still trying to get a handle on the functionality general site layout.) To my credit, I'll say my post data is accurate, and it has been turned over to multiple local & state authorities. Again my apologies.

The Business-at-hand - Moving forward

I was contacted tonight by an ex-Dot1 employee [email protected] who is trying to connect to other ex-employees regarding Nevada Unemployment issues. He says he is in the process of coordinating a half dozen claims with an attorney, and is looking for others ex-employees. " . . . if you know anyone else that may want to get in on this have them e-mail me their first & last name & the amount that Bob owes them. Thanks. "

I did notified him of this new(?) forum.

Moderator(s): Perhaps this is not the proper environment to accomplish this, or outside of how our hospitable host, FreedomList would like their resources used? I dunno. In any case, please don't trash the forum for the Dot1web folks on my account.

Just post a notice, or email me at [email protected] if I am outta line here.

Also, there is a forum, specifically for Dotcom bombs, I'll zap them and report, unless you would prefer I do not.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 11:54 am    Post subject: d1w Reply with quote

This entire org.(d1w) is not worth the breath to expel its bitter taste. Was there in the beginning.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 15:15 pm    Post subject: i can believe that . . . Reply with quote

I can believe that. The 'body count' just shocked me into humanitarian mode I guess . . .
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 15:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

codedog, I understand the frustration, and am not necessarily upset at you and what you are trying to accomplish for we had the same instances some time ago with a company called Infree Onfree back in 2000. The things I am really referring to are those of who slander the companies name without proper citations in any way. Take for example the post above me, its distasteful to just sit there and say the company isn't worth something, when we do not know what the persons relationship is with the company and what the intent is of the post. To me, just reading what burned wrote says that he is just a poster who is trying to flame the board without any real reason other then to jump on the bandwagon so to speak.

Recently, we were spammed significantly in the review section of the website by someone who thought it would be funny to post some 100 consecutive posts on how bad WebWideISP is. You will see that the ISP in question is inactive currently while we try and clean up the mess. We are just trying to do whats in the best interest of the forum and the site, trying to keep things at a moderate level of sanity icon_smile.gif.

Keep posting about your progress on dot1web, and your goings on with them, we just are going to have to keep a lid on posters like the one above. Also, it does not help to refer to the owner as a butthead, which someone else did in another post. I know many of you have been slighted, but that does not mean we have to resort to namecalling.

An apology to you codedog, for it wasn't really meant towards you, just a try for a little more overall understanding of the issues at hand.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 16:19 pm    Post subject: payroll taxes Reply with quote

For all you ex dot one persons who are reading these posts, I just wanted to relay to you that I was called this morning by an investigator from the Nevada Employment/Unemployment Office regarding my claim for Unemployment Benefits after being laid-off by dot one. I was told, as I gave my legal statement to her, that dot one did not pay payroll taxes for the last two quarters of 2002. That means all the unemployment claims that are based on earnings from dot one during that period will have to be covered by the state's general fund along with federal funds. I was told that they are going after Mr. DeMaio and dot one to recover the taxes that were not paid when due.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 18:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey ex,

Not that I particularly want to bring this up, but if it has not paid its payroll taxes, could there be issue with their other taxes as well, meaning you guys may owe money to the government on this years tax returns?

Steve
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 18:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drchaps wrote:
Hey ex,

Not that I particularly want to bring this up, but if it has not paid its payroll taxes, could there be issue with their other taxes as well, meaning you guys may owe money to the government on this years tax returns?

Steve
I'm not a CPA, but, as I understand it, it doesn't usually work that way. If the company withheld the money, the company is responsible. If money withheld for taxes was used to pay other bills, and the company no longer has enough assets to cover the taxes, any company officer(s) who had the power to write checks could be held personally liable.

I hope you guys saved your pay stubs, in case the company fudges on the W-2 forms to protect their officers.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 18:46 pm    Post subject: all warm & fuzzy now ; ) Reply with quote

Hey drchaps, I still luv ya! 8^ )

Thank you for your patience and informative overveiw.

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Re: " . . . called this morning by an investigator from the Nevada Employment/Unemployment Office . . . I was told that they are going after Mr. DeMaio and dot one to recover the taxes that were not paid when due."

Amazing. In California, the employer has 20 days to respond with the loot ($) and their side of the "issues" if they have one.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 19:28 pm    Post subject: i want to try and make a correction Reply with quote

drchaps wrote:

Recently, we were spammed significantly in the review section of the website by someone who thought it would be funny to post some 100 consecutive posts on how bad WebWideISP is. You will see that the ISP in question is inactive currently while we try and clean up the mess.


While the way we used the freedomlist review forum might not have been entirely what it was meant for, it wasn't spamming. It started by accident anyway when people who where laid off or investors that lost money with Dot1web saw that review forum and started responding, and it just snowballed from there. At one point there where 200 sum messages but they where all posted by lots of different people over a period of time, a few weeks. I know I myself started A few threads and responded to a few other threads but over all I only posted on that board 10 or 20 sum times. So I disagree, and don't believe that any one person posted 100 messages by them self on that forum.

Now the other post that I want to respond to is i've also been in contact with Nevada unemployment and they had no record of me working for Dot1web either, but they knew all about Dot1web and even told me "we heard that you guys got stiffed on your last pay check". So there is 0 dollars to collect from Dot1web, from unemployment, and I'm glad to hear that they are going after them. That just adds one more to the list, of people going after the big "B".
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 20:04 pm    Post subject: re: i want to try and make a correction Reply with quote

[quote="dot1burnt-employee"]
drchaps wrote:


Now the other post that I want to respond to is i've also been in contact with Nevada unemployment and they had no record of me working for Dot1web either, but they knew all about Dot1web and even told me "we heard that you guys got stiffed on your last pay check". So there is 0 dollars to collect from Dot1web, from unemployment...


Just because they didn't pay their payroll taxes doesn't necessarily mean they didn't or don't have any money. At the same time they weren't paying these taxes they were buying about $500,000 worth of servers and networking gear, hiring probably around 50-60 employees, and buying 'Bob' his yellow Lamborgini. So, they had money at the time. They obviously just decided not to pay those payroll taxes.

My understanding is that payroll and payroll taxes are one of those areas where the 'corporate veil' offers no protection to the officers, board members or, perhaps, even the private investors in the company. All of those people may be personally liable for the payrolls not met and the payroll taxes not paid. And, violating these laws can result in criminal penalties, i.e., jail time, along with the financial ones.

I think it's important that all of us ex dot one folks keep letting the state and federal agencies know what took place there, and keep whatever pressure we can on 'Bob' and his cohorts so they cannot just weasel their way out of this as they, apparently, have done in the past.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 20:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have used this ISP for almost a month now. I, and apparently most others who use WebwideISP, are satisfied customers. But I'll have to admit I would have passed on this one after reading these posts over the last few weeks, if I were looking for a new ISP now.

This is my question: what do you expect me, as a customer, to do? If I and others cancel the service, who benefits? If Webwide goes under, doesn't this make it less likely that any assets will be left to recover for investors, former employees, and creditors?
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