what EGW says on Michael:
Early Writings of Ellen G. White, page 164, paragraph 2
Chapter Title: Spiritual Gifts
Moses passed through death, but Michael came
down and gave him life before his body had seen corruption. Satan
tried to hold the body, claiming it as his; but Michael resurrected Moses
and took him to heaven. Satan railed bitterly against God, denouncing Him
as unjust in permitting his prey to be taken from him; but
Christ did not rebuke His adversary, though it was through his temptation
that the servant of God had fallen. He meekly referred him to His Father,
saying, "The Lord rebuke thee."
Patriarchs and Prophets, page 761, paragraph 5
Chapter Title: Appendix
AGAIN: CHRIST IS CALLED THE WORD OF GOD. JOHN 1:1-3. HE IS SO CALLED
BECAUSE GOD GAVE HIS REVELATIONS TO MAN IN ALL AGES THROUGH CHRIST. IT
WAS HIS SPIRIT THAT INSPIRED THE PROPHETS. 1 PETER 1:10, 11. HE WAS REVEALED
TO THEM AS THE ANGEL OF JEHOVAH, THE CAPTAIN OF THE
LORD'S HOST, MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL.
A Word to the Little Flock, page 12, paragraph
4
The Lord has shown me in vision, that Jesus rose
up, and shut the door, and entered the Holy of Holies, at the 7th month
1844; but Michael's standing up (Dan. 12:1) to deliver his people, is in
the future.
| Jude 1:9 Yet *Michael the archangel*, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. |
please look at the Bible passage yourself. nowhere does it say that Jesus resurrected Moses. (but that does go along with SDA's concept of soul sleep).
I'll repeat this one more time, "durst" means "tolmao" in Greek, which always means when paired with a negative that they "did not dare in fear of retaliation" Jesus Christ is God, there is no great controversy where Jesus and Satan are on equal par. Who created Satan? God, Jesus is God also, and in this incident, if Michael were Jesus He wouldn't have the incarnate part on Him yet either. God never fears Satan.
my ex tried to use Zechariah to disprove my exegesis of Jude 1:9
Zec 3:1 And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the *angel of the LORD*, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. 2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
This is not a duplicate event. these are
two separate incidents. if it was a parallel passage I might
lend credence, but it is not. One is talking about Michael the other is
talking about the Angel of the Lord. It does not say in the bible that
Michael is the Angel of the Lord. Never. All we have are extrapolations
because sometimes Jesus is referred to as an Angel of the Lord, that since
Michael has part of his category 'archangel' that those two can be equal.
Also, one passage refers to the contention of Michael the Archangel contending
for the body of Moses, and the other of Joshua. These are not parallel
passages. A good use of parallel passages is my exegesis showing
that hell is eternal
:). check it out :).
the word "LORD" in verse Zechariah 3:2 means:
hwhy from (01961)
Transliterated Word TWOT Entry
*Y@hovah* 484a
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
yeh-ho-vaw' Proper Name
Definition
Jehovah = "the existing One"
the proper name of the one true God
unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of 0136
now in Jude 1:9
Michael means this in Hebrew and Greek:
*micael* of Hebrew origin (04317)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Michael None
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
mikh-ah-ale' Noun Masculine
Definition
Michael = "who is like God"
the first of the chief princes or archangels who is supposed to be
the guardian angel of the Israelites
*lakym* from (04310) and (the prefix derivative from) (03588) and (0410)
Transliterated Word TWOT Entry
Miyka'el None
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
me-kaw-ale' Proper Name Masculine
Definition
Michael = "who is like God"
one of, the chief, or the first archangel who is described as the one
who stands in time of conflict for the children of Israel
also to note, that in the Zechariah verse, Jesus shows no fear of Satan
unlike Jude 1:9 and as my ex had so nicely pointed out that Satan was highest
of all the angels and likely more powerful than Michael.
Zechariah uses Jehovah. Jude uses Michael. Jehovah is clearly God, Michael is not.
Jesus means: "Jehovah is salvation" Michael's name 'who is like God' never says he is God, just like Him.
first there is no disputing that the Angel of the Lord is Jesus Christ, because Joshua and his men worshipped Him. However, it is said as Angel of the Lord, and never Archangel. two very different terms. one thing i'd like to add is that Jesus is never referred to directly as Michael. most of the evidence is extrapolated from passages, but are not kept in the context of what we already know about Jesus.
Daniel 10:13
But for twenty-one days the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia
blocked my way. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came
to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom
of Persia.
the word "one" as in "one of the chief princes" means this in Hebrew:
'echad TWOT - 61
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ekh-awd' Adjective
Definition
one (number)
one (number)
each, every
a certain
an (indefinite article)
only, once, once for all
one...another, the one...the other, one after another, one by one
first
eleven (in combination), eleventh (ordinal)
one adventist's page tried to claim that this was saying that this was a foremost chief prince or whatever, anyway.
look at the word 'Principalities' it is exclusively used for Angels (including demons), the word principalities comes from the word prince. so, there you go, princes, angels.
my ex's defense:
>The reference to Michael as one of the chief princes probably alludes
to the Trinity, with Jesus being one part of the triune Godhead.
God, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus Christ have clear designations and clear names. God the Father, Jesus: Prince of Peace, Wonderful Counselor, Almighty God. Nowhere in the Bible does it substantiate calling all three of the Trinity: princes.
Most interpretations think that 'one of the chief princes' is referring to that there is probably more than one archangel.
>1 Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the *archangel*, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(2 Th 1:7 NIV) "and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels."
Joh 5:25
"Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the
dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will
live.
Joh 5:28
"Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who
are in the tombs will hear His voice,
i was looking at these verse b/c my ex showed them to me. obviously it is only by God's power that the dead are raised. the way I see the format of 1 Thes 4:16 is:
the Lord came with a, with b, and with c.
a. a shout
b. voice of archangel
c. trumpet
now i'll say that i think that the shout belongs to the Lord, in context of those other verses, but look at 2 Thessalonians 1:7. the Lord Jesus Christ comes with angels. also, seeing that Michael is one of the foremost angels, it would be logical to conclude that he would be with Christ at rapture, look at what this commentary has to say about it:
Question: Why is Michael heard at the rapture?
Answer: Because Israel comes back into God's prophetic program with the 70th week commencing, thus leaving only seven years until Christ sets up His Kingdom on earth.
Michael is Israel's protector (in the Bible there are different kinds of angels):
Michael is mentioned five times in the Bible, always warring against Satan's forces:
1. He helps a lesser ranked angel break free from the evil angel Prince of Persia to answer Daniel's prayer:
"But, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me;" Daniel 10:13,21.
"There is none that holdeth (supports) with me in these things, but Michael your prince." Daniel 10:21.
We see here that:
a) Michael is one of the chief princes, which implies that there may be other archangels.
b) Also we see that Michael is Israel's prince guardian angel, assigned to Israel.
c) We also see that Satan assigns evil angels to increase the evil and corruption in a nation, as in the case of the evil angel called the Prince of Persia (a Principality), who is assigned to Persia.
d) "I remained there with the Kings of Persia" (10:13) shows angelic "thrones" referred to as the "Kings of Persia".
2. Michael will stand up to protect Israel in the future seven year Tribulation, as their guardian angel:
"At that time shall Michael stand up, the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble...." Daniel 12:1.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. :8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. :9 The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
>Wasn't Lucifer the highest angel before he was cast out? Yes he was, so how then if Michael is just an created angel be stronger than Lucifer himself to throw him out! Answer: *Because Michael is none other than Jesus Himself :) Just another symbolic title given to our beautiful Lord and Saviour. :)
anyway. yes, lucifer is probably stronger than Michael, outranking Him,
however, notice that it is not just Michael fighting, it is Michael and
his angels. Plus, whenever the Lord is on your side, you win. Just like
when that one guy (i forgot who) had to keep his arms raised, and as long
as they were raised they would win the battle. Just so like Michael and
his angels will win coz God will be with them, not that God is Michael.
my ex tried to use this passage to say that Jesus is Michael, but nowhere
in this verse nor the passage does it show that Jesus is Michael.
without any presuppositions we see that Michael the archangel and his angels
(not archangels) fought together and threw Lucifer out of heaven.
as we know that Michael is sort of like a military commander. a fighting
angel.
1. angels have different jobs: protectors (like Michael), guardians, defending God's holiness (seraphim), showing God's holiness (cherabim)
2. angels are called collectively 'principalities'
so they can be called princes
3. true, angel means messenger. but in no way has Angel of the Lord ever been confused with Archangel as interchangeable terms
4. when Jesus comes back He'll come back with angels. to account for the voice of the archangel
5. Michael is heard then b/c he's the protector of Israel and the 70 week thing is going to happen and Israel will go through God's plan, he's happy b/c he is Israel's protector
6. Zechariah uses Jehovah. Jude uses Michael. Jehovah is clearly God, Michael is not.
7. Jesus means: "Jehovah is salvation" Michael's name 'who is like God'
never says he is God, just like Him.
Historically, the belief came from the influence of
the founder of the Jehovah Witnesses who not only believe Jesus is Michael,
but that means that to them Jesus is a created being and not God.
If one is going to use Michael as alternate to Jesus because it means
"like God", what of the angel Gabriel that also means mighty like God ?
Does this make him Jesus too, since Jesus is called the mighty God in Isa.9:6
? What about Micah whose name also means "who is like Yahweh" The names
don’t give a parallel but beg a question. Who is like God? Obviously
no one. If Jesus is Michael than who are the other angels, are they
God too?
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, dirst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said the Lord rebuke thee. (Jude 9)
Jesus has never been afraid of rebuking Satan. However, Michael couldn't rebuke him in his own name, but did in God's name. the word "dirst" means "dare not for fear of retribution" Jesus would never be afraid of retribution from Satan.
Explanations of the angel of the Lord were used. Such as in Gen.22 and
Ex.3:2,6. While there is an agreement on this being called an angel to
be THE Messenger of the Lord (Yahweh himself) nowhere does it hint it is
Michael, nowhere is his name called Michael, instead it is always Yahweh
(Malach Yahweh).