Just
think! They loved our pups so much, that they bought TWO of
them when they were 6 weeks old!
Email
referral Aug 6, 2012 from Kathleen Russell:
"Kendra & Skip,
We received your signup on the Baptist Ridge Notification list.
Thank you! In that notification you said you were looking for a
puppy around the end of September when you'll be in Tennessee. We
will not have any puppies at that time, all of the puppies from our
only litter in 2012 have been sold. However, we know of a great
breeder in North Carolina who we like and have a puppy on order, so
if you like our dogs you will also like hers.
Her name is Lisa Harraden and I'm copying her on this e-mail. I'm
pretty sure she has a black and tan male from a very recent litter
available so if you contact her you might be able to reserve it. Her
pups, like ours, go very quickly.
If Lisa does not have any pups available, our next litter available
for pups to take home is planned for February 2013.
I hope this help you and I hope to hear from you soon.
Thank you,
Baptist Ridge Dobermans"
Email
from male partner (Gene Wolf) on Oct 10, 2012:
“Just thought you'd like to see the pictures
of Chestnut I put up on my blog this afternoon. She's turning into a
real beauty! Yep! She's
a great dog and just what Zeus needed after his big buddy Max
passed. She's going to be a great dog. Already she's running
alongside Zeus. While she can't yet keep up with him she is trying
and it's great for her development! ”
Email
from female partner (Kathleen Russell) on Oct 15, 2012, showing obvious lie:
Well we walked away from 10K a guy wanted to
give us for Baron. That is the truth 10K He gave us a bad feeling
the more we talked and I said no I can't sell him. Now I know Baron
is not a 10K dog believe me and most would have jumped at it but he
was an ass so I said NO WAY sorry
Email
from female partner (Kathleen Russell) on Nov 1, 2012, showing another obvious lie:
Please do I would not do anything to hurt her
or you
Email
from female partner (Kathleen Russell) on Nov 9, 2012 after they picked up the second
pup from our kennel:
Gene thinks she is just great. We took a bunch
of pictures so we can put up a slide show of her tomorrow. She spent
the afternoon playing with Chestnut. She has eaten had some milk and
passed out in her crate. I'm hoping to get some sleep tonight.
She is such a little mess.... she is barking playing and following
me through the pastures just keeping right up. She is awesome!! What
a talker she is. I know I know patience ..... I hate that lol
but Willow and Chestnut had a great day.
Email
from male partner (Gene Wolf) on Nov 14, 2012:
“Yeah, I like her alot. She's got a great
personality and it looks like she and Chestnut are going to be best
buds. It's funny watching Zeus teach Chestnut how to be a dog. He
has already taught her how to 'knock' on the door in order to get
let in. I'm seeing the same behavior between Chestnut and Willow,
even at this early age. She's showing her how to run, where a ball
is, what you can do with it, how to explore and a ton of other
stuff. If you were just watching you'd think they were just doing
dog stuff but Chestnut watches Willow and repeats what she did until
Willow gives it a try. It's really touching to watch them together.
Willow is one great dog!”
Email
from female partner (Kathleen Russell) on Dec 5, 2012, trying to convince me that we
should sell them another female pup:
Well
we have gotten 2 wonderful healthy good temperament and
beautiful girls so we are well pleased! So that is a complement to
you and your dogs.
Email
from female partner (Kathleen Russell) on Dec 10, 2012, to one of her puppy buyers:
Jonathan
It is nice to hear from you. We first want to say sorry for your
loss.
Lisa is a wonderful person and breeder. She has some awesome dogs
and we love everyone we have gotten. If you look at Our Dogs on the
site Chestnut and Willow have come from Lisa. We are getting the
Black and Tan from her in Jan. We will give you a link to Our Dogs
where you can see for yourself what she (Lisa) produces.
http://www.baptistridgedobermans.com/our-dogs/chestnut-female/
this is Chestnut
http://www.baptistridgedobermans.com/our-dogs/red-willow/
this is Red Willow. Both are beautiful.
********they
did NOT get a puppy from us in January. We cancelled the sale
4 days before they were to pick the puppies up, when we found out they
were a puppy mill.
Email
from female partner (Kathleen Russell) on Jan 3, 2013, wanting 2 MORE pups from us:
I would be looking for Rosie and Chappie vWD
clears though. Black and tan is all we want. We would like to get 2
females if that is possible? Does that work for you.
********this
is when they reserved two MORE puppies from our March 2013
litter. They will NEVER be allowed on our property again and
will NEVER have access to any more of our puppies.
Email
from female partner (Kathleen Russell) on Jan 8, 2013, stating they breed their dogs
at one year old:
Zelda and Baron should be Reds and Black and
Tans. Then in about Aug. Zeus and Chestnut after Chestnut is a year
will be Reds and Black and Tans Zelda and Baron will breed again in
Nov. and we haven't decided on Willow after she is a year we thought
Baron but I don't know if they will all be red or what.
********this
is the first time we got the word of their unethical breeding
practices. Researched them at that time and reviewed their
website to see the TRUTH about their operation and the lies on their
website. Also no mention of where they get their dogs from,
making it sound like ALL their dogs were born and raised there, and
using pics of OUR puppies to sell their sub-standard pups, from
untested dogs.
Email
from female partner (Kathleen Russell) on Jan 8, 2013:
We asked our vet with Zelda and he said she was
fine. We did her back to back because she had only 4 and came
through like nothing. The vet checked her out and said she was
really healthy and all looked good . Now Zelda won't bread for a
year. He did the AI on Zelda at a year.
*******NO
DECENT VETERINARIAN is EVER going to promote breeding of a doberman
that is only 1 year old, and certainly not recommend the back to
back breeding of the same dog when she was only a year old on her
first litter. (AI=artificial insemination)
Our
FINAL email to Baptist Ridge Dobermans
on Jan 8, 2013, canceling the sale of any more dobermans to them:
"to Gene Wolf and Kathleen Russell, (both partners names)",
I’ve been away from the computer since you
emailed me this afternoon, researching and making phone calls about
your timing for breeding. It
upset me enough that I contacted three veterinarians for their
opinion, researched a couple websites including AKC and DPCA views,
and discussed this with Ernie before determining what to do.
Long story short, Ernie and I do not agree with
breeding female Dobermans when they are only a year old.
Never have, never will. That
is too young and I cannot believe that any veterinarian would
support that practice. Most
vets, AKC, DPCA, other experienced breeders, and Ernie and I
recommend waiting till the bitch is 18-24 months old, prior to any breeding.
We have 22 years of breeding Dobermans and find that to be a
good solid recommendation and practice.
We did not realize that you bred your females
at that young age and do not wish to put any other dobies in that
position. Since we care
about pups we sell throughout their lifespan, we consider early
breeding of females, a serious detriment to their overall health.
Neither males nor females should be bred before
thorough health testing, and you can’t do that at a year old.
OFA certification is done after the dogs are 2 years old and I have not
heard you mention any other testing than the vWD we’ve done on the
2 girls you got from us. Brucellosis
should be done on the kennel anytime other dogs are brought in to
breed, if they have ever been bred.
Don’t know if you have studded out your dogs, so that’s
probably a moot point, but I know you can’t do a lot of testing on
dogs before they are 2 years old.
We have bred some of our females at 18 months,
but for the most part, dogs are not mature enough physically, to
breed before they are a minimum of 18 months old.
I have posted two links that I found informative about the
subject to back up my views. Our
two vets, and another vet we have worked with in the past, all agree
that a 1 year old female is too young to breed.
http://dogs.lovetoknow.com/wiki/Dogs_Mating
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_old_does_a_female_dog_have_to_be_to_start_breeding
In your email, you also state the colors you “expect” to get
from the pairing with Chestnut and Magnolia.
Got news for you, Kathy, you can’t do that.
You have no idea what you’ll have until you have the first
litter of pups with that particular pairing.
If you could do that, then you should move to Vegas.
Just because you pair a red and a red, does not mean you’ll
get all reds. Blacks and
reds do not necessarily produce blacks and reds.
Have you studied the color chart that is on the DPCA website?
Here’s the link…..
http://dpca.org/breed/breed_color.htm
So don’t
jump the gun till you see the pups.
Might surprise you.
So basically, the bottom line is, Ernie and I
would prefer to just close the deal on the sale of these two pups.
I’m sure your buyer for the red female will be glad to wait
for another pup from you. The
only airlines that ship pups, cannot ship to colder temps in the
wintertime, and seeing the temps in OK for the end of January are
predicted to be very low, this pup wouldn’t be making the flight
anyway. Better to be
safe than sorry.
I apologize for the last minute notification,
but I was not aware of your breeding schedules until this afternoon.
Ernie and I are very careful to do the best we can for our
pups, and you obviously, are not in that category. We feel that
breeding them at a year old is too young, and not a healthy
practice.
Thank you
Lisa and Ernie
*****And the next day,
they went out and found a 1 year 4 day old black female doberman to
bring home and start breeding immediately. They told the
seller they only owned 2 poodles, so the seller had no clue she was
releasing her pet into a life of constant breeding at a puppy mill.
***and when that same
female did not produce pups in that breeding, they immediately went
out and sold her because she didn't bring them any money. Very
callous behavior.
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