Racism suspicious? Should racial profiling be used in apprehending illegal aliens and posible terrorists? What should be the procedures involved in catching these individuals? Should the authorities have the right to demand to see legal ID and grill you with questions if they suspect your are a criminal or alien? [ delete all] [edit]

mmmeee0 Anarchy Boy Posts: 94 [delete][edit] November 27, 2005, 03:56:pm Uh, not really... It might aprehend 300 illegal aliens, but, if one terrorist slips through.... what was the point?

sothiswilldo The Popcorn Flicker Posts: 49 [delete][edit] November 27, 2005, 04:33:pm Great point there mmmeee0. It might also spawn hatred for those who are of those nationalities but arent illegal aliens or terrorists...

icaros I would be fascist if I didn't love democracy Posts: 20 [delete][edit] November 27, 2005, 09:25:pm Illegal aliens, perhaps. Terrorist, no. Just picture the other great terrorist organizations worldwide: ETA, IRA, Neo-Nazis, etc. They can easily pass as the typical american citizen. And racial profiling is not really necessary in this case, you can tell that an inmigrant is illegal by the conditions that they live in or the kind of jobs that they have. You know, the ones that are not strict about the social security issue.

WarPig3a308 Heavily Armed Master of Facts Posts: 102 [delete][edit] Efficiency November 27, 2005, 09:52:pm Racial profiling increases efficiency in many cases as does other measures such as screening visitors from specific states or bearing visas or passports validated by those nations. Its a tool as are many others. Sadly popular culture deems it politically incorrect and want to take it from the "tool box".

Alaric King of the Visigoths Posts: 22 [delete][edit] November 28, 2005, 02:21:am Timothy McVay was white, and was also a terroist. Would racial profiling have stopped him from murdering innocent people in Oklahoma? Like mmmeeeO said, it doesn't make a difference. We need to solve problems at their roots, not at their ends. If you can't piss standing up, sit down! Edited by: Alaric at November 28, 2005, 02:22am

mmmeee0 Anarchy Boy Posts: 98 [delete][edit] November 29, 2005, 11:22:am WarPig, no matter how efficient it is, it's wrong. Heck, pre-natal testing and abortion would be efficient in lowering cases of Down Syndrome.

Dkngod Opinionated Fool Posts: 150 [delete][edit] November 29, 2005, 05:29:pm The US successfully used racial profiling to catch Nazi and Italian spies during WWII. They were suspicous of anyone with those nations accents, and caught several sabotuers before they could cause more trouble. But Timothy McVeigh wouldn't have been caugt unless he was already under watch for something else. Its damn hard for governments to keep that close a tab on all its citizens. IN fact only under governments much like Russia under Stalin or Germany with Hitler would that be succesful at all. DC VOA Vote for SinShirtS.com

Alaric King of the Visigoths Posts: 23 [delete][edit] November 29, 2005, 11:39:pm Thats why we need to solve the problems causing terrorism, not try to catch people about to commit such acts. I know we can't totally end it, but we can slow it down. If you can't piss standing up, sit down!

sothiswilldo The Popcorn Flicker Posts: 52 [delete][edit] November 30, 2005, 06:07:pm Yeah, instead of being paranoid about every 'insert nationality here' person, we need to end the problem at it source. Right now this 'war' thing isn't solving anything. More people have died, on both sides. Innocent lives men, woman and -children-

Are you racist? Are you a racist? If so who do you not like? Why do you not like them? Admit, if you are. I will, beleive me (of course I owould beleive me).

sothiswilldo The Popcorn Flicker Posts: 37 [delete][edit] November 15, 2005, 10:23:pm I remember answering this before, and it was that answer that made you invite me to this cult I am not racist, I give everyone an equal chance. However if someone lives up to their racial stereotypes then I dispise them. Ex: A black person who kills people for "dis'n dem yo wurd" I will show no sympathy or respect for those people. We all have equal chances to get a job and support outselves, hell some minorites have it easier then the norm...yet there are still people on free loading on welfair? There is still gun violence? There are people who never go to school and do drugs all day? Why be stupid? I hate stupidity with a passion. Regardless of enthecticity. It's not my fault that some races have more stupid people then others. If anything, I would be an educated raciest. When it comes to respect, I give everyone a default level to begin with. Based on their actions towards others, myself the level goes either up or down. Whoever can hold together a stable enviornment legally for themselves and a family, they automatically earn my respect. I have no problem with immagration. North America was built on immagration. If you come here to work, and to seek a better life for your children and yourself then by all means come in! But if you are here to murder out citizens, steal taxpayers dollars... then get the fuck out. To conclude, with my usual saying: Every basket of apples has it's rotten ones. Some are more rotten then others, some have more rotten ones all together. WARNING: My profile is umm..shiney.

FuroraCeltica Thorough Sage Posts: 30 [delete][edit] November 16, 2005, 06:35:am I think that there is a definite campaign in academia and the mass corporate media to demonise people of European ancestry. Whites are told they are not allowed to campaign for their ethnic groups political rights, and whites are told that the concept of race does not even exist. By contrast, non-whites are urged to be racially aware and politically ferocious in asserting their racial group rights, often at the explicit expense of European peoples. Crime is another issue. White on black crime is given endless media coverage and is held up as evidence of the intrinsic wickedness of whites. By contrast, black on white crime is shrugged off as random violence and any racial motivation is denied, even when it is clearly the case, as was the case with Gary Graham and Mumia Abu Jamal. In short, I am not a racist in the sense I hate other races or regard my own as being superior. However, I resent the racial double standard very strongly, and I also hate the way any discourse on race relations is dominated by the far left. I also think non-white criminals should be held to account and not allowed to shiled their failings behind the "White racist society made me do it yo' honuh" argument. Visit my politics blog Join my cult Western Civilization

Life_of_darkness420 Princess Doppleganger Posts: 45 [delete][edit] November 17, 2005, 07:13:pm I am racist in a way.....I am wary of certain races, but I give everyone a chance. I tend not to like mexicans and those of the arab race, but I do have 2-3 friends of those races. I think the reason that I find arabs and mexicans is because I feel they pose a threat to my family and country. One thing I must say is about these black people who freak out when a white person says nigger, yet they call themselves this all day. I also believe that there is a difference between a black person and a nigger. Chingy, Ludacris, snoop dogg are all niggers, while people such as Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks, Aaliyah were black people and there are many more but it would take forever to get through my list.

Dkngod wrote in VisigothsofAnarchy October 30, 2005, 02:59pm Opinionated Fool Posts: 110 Is it racist of me? Is it racist of me to not like Mexicans and Ragheads speaking their native tongues when in America? Yet I don't mind Europeans or Orientals who talk in the home tongues. I think its because the first 2 represent what I perceive as a direct threat to my nation and my personal safety. Yet does this justify my attitude?

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FuroraCeltica Thorough Sage Posts: 25 [delete][edit] October 31, 2005, 03:44:pm I agree with your attitude to a point. I dont mind immigrants speaking their own language, but I think they should not expect me to understand it, nor should they demand the government provide services and trnaslation in their language. If they cant be bothered to learn the host nations language, they should do without. ------------------------------------------------------ Visit my blog Join my cult Western Civilization

mmmeee0 Anarchy Boy Posts: 61 [delete][edit] October 31, 2005, 04:14:pm Ragheads? Thats rascist right there. And they can talk in whatever kind of language they want to each other. But, they should communicate to you in english.

Dkngod Opinionated Fool Posts: 113 [delete][edit] November 01, 2005, 10:28:am I admit I'm racist about those 2 groups, I was just wondering if that one attitude by itself was racist. DC VOA Vote for SinShirtS.com

mmmeee0 Anarchy Boy Posts: 64 [delete][edit] November 01, 2005, 11:01:am Heck, get more friends! That will hopefully cure your rascism [getting friends in the race you dislike] and you get more friends! ^^

sothiswilldo The Popcorn Flicker Posts: 18 [delete][edit] November 01, 2005, 04:04:pm I'm with FuroraCeltica on this one... What really bothers me is when I'm at school and I notice the filipino group stareing at me. Probably because of the way I dress, one points and starts laughing and speaks to his friend in tagalo (sp?) That's happened a few times. If you want to talk crap about me then do so in ENGLISH to my FACE. WARNING: My profile is umm..shiney.

sothiswilldo The Popcorn Flicker Posts: 19 [delete][edit] November 01, 2005, 04:09:pm Lately though, it has been the White group that is a miniority. They are targeted by various ethnic groups and called "white trash" yet if any of them say something back that's even remotely racist a fight breaks out. I see it happen walking down the street in my neighbourhood. People calling white kids "white pieces of shit" So many times I see black guys calling each other "n's" but when a white person does it it is racist? A homosexual man calls his friend a "fag hag" but when someone else says "fag" they're homophobic? I'm sick and tired of people saying that only white people are racist. Hell that in itself is a racist comment. EVERY ethnic group is racist in some way. WARNING: My profile is umm..shiney.

Dkngod Opinionated Fool Posts: 115 [delete][edit] November 01, 2005, 09:34:pm Racism was at one time a survival tool. Thats why in extreme cases people can have a crippling fear that overpowers them when amongst a large group of a certain race or any race not their own. At one time I guess all the races hunted the other ones and fought them for resources. So some racism is natural, even if its not rational. We should try to overcome our own limtis. But I don't see why I should try to adapt if these buggers can't even learn the local language and customs. Sorry, I'm not certain what this type of atavistic fearful condition is called, I'll have to look it up. DC VOA Vote for SinShirtS.com Edited by: Dkngod at November 01, 2005, 09:35pm

sothiswilldo The Popcorn Flicker Posts: 20 [delete][edit] November 02, 2005, 04:45:pm =/ I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not racist, I just hate stupid people. It's not my fault if some races have more stupid people then others. WARNING: My profile is umm..shiney.

mmmeee0 Anarchy Boy Posts: 65 [delete][edit] November 02, 2005, 07:42:pm It being a survival tool way back when doesn't mean anything now. The appendix was once a useful organ, but now, it needs to be removed. It is rascist when they call you whiteys [jocks is an athletics thing], but, to get respect you must give respect. Tagalog is the name for the Fillipino Language.

sothiswilldo The Popcorn Flicker Posts: 22 [delete][edit] November 02, 2005, 08:47:pm Thanks mmmeee0. You have a very good point to. I personally give everyone a 'default' level of respect that goes either up, or down, depending if they either return it or if they do something stupid. Oh and to add about the appendix might still have some use. It has to do with metabolism. Doctors are starting to leave the organ in now and preforming ffewer surgeries on it. They're currently studying on the effects of removal and such. It might not have been as useless as once thought. WARNING: My profile is umm..shiney.

Life_of_darkness420 Princess Doppleganger Posts: 41 [delete][edit] November 02, 2005, 09:02:pm I agree wiht your attitude I feel as if these two groups are a threat to my country so there fore I'll admit it I 'm racist toward them. Some Mexicans who were born and raised in the US are ok I have a few mexi friends, but only one of them speak spanish. I think they should at least communicate with people of our country in English.

FuroraCeltica Thorough Sage Posts: 26 [delete][edit] November 03, 2005, 07:54:am Anmti white racism is running riot throughout the world Bill bennett makes a remark about "abort black babies and the crime goes down" that he didnt even mean and there is media coverage of it for weeks. YET.... When a black "intellectual" talks of the need to exterminate white people, the media says nothing. Google the name "Kamau Kambon" if you dont believe me Double standards ------------------------------------------------------ Visit my blog Join my cult Western Civilization

mmmeee0 Anarchy Boy Posts: 68 [delete][edit] November 05, 2005, 01:29:pm My analogy still stands, and rascism will hopefully go the way of the dinosaur. Foura Celtica, tell other people. Yes, that is wrong, but, I do not control the media, and I don't care for blogs. Your blog kicks ass, and you need like, a banner or something for it...

icaros Posts: 1 [delete][edit] November 05, 2005, 02:47:pm I think its because the first 2 represent what I perceive as a direct threat to my nation and my personal safety. How exactly does a working inmigrant represent a threat to you? Now, white racism is mostly frowned upon. Which I believe it should but I also believe that self-segregational policies from the minorities should also be. I understand that is their way of defense, when I lived in the US I was laughed at because I wasn't born there as if it was some sing of ethnical inferiority. So I felt the need to avoid these people. So cases as such do make me understand this defensive actions, which might be understandable. Despite of not being correct.

Alaric Posts: 9 [delete][edit] November 06, 2005, 03:19:am People use racism as a tool to take blame off themselves. Notice how in the United States, every new group immagrating to America faced extreme prejudice from the Anglo-Germanic majority already present. Irish, Slavic, Asian, Hispanic and now Arabic. Now that Racism is starting to decrease, people take their anger out on Homosexuals. After 9/11, people thought it ok to assult the entire Arabic community in the United States, but now that is dying down. People want someone to blame, so they stereotype. Look what happened in Nazi Germany. People were killed becasue the nation was struggling. It wasn't the Jews, it was the nations who defeated Germany in WWI that put them into such a horrible depression, due to the reperations they had to pay to the ALlies for the damage the war had caused. People need to stop finding problems and start looking for solutions. I found Jesus... He was behind the couch the entire time!

sothiswilldo The Popcorn Flicker Posts: 24 [delete][edit] November 06, 2005, 12:23:pm Well said alaric. WARNING: My profile is umm..shiney.

WarPig3a308 Heavily Armed Master of Facts Posts: 87 [delete][edit] innacuacy that annoyed me November 11, 2005, 10:59:pm

People use racism as a tool to take blame off themselves. Notice how in the United States, every new group immagrating to America faced extreme prejudice from the Anglo-Germanic majority already present.

Actually the United States was primarily Anglo-Saxon and more specifically Anglo-Saxon Protestant hence the WASP application to US old money.

Also note that the rascism afflicting the waves of immigration lasted only as long as it took the groups coming in to assimilate in American Culuture. Groups that were cliqish and failed to adopt local custom found themselves grouped in ethnic areas and suffering steroetyping such as Italians and Irish. These groups would later assimilate for the most part and have existed long enough to evolve specific niches in American society. Other groups would assimilate immidiately or within a single generation like the Spanish, french, and german immigration waves. Others would forge a social idenity wholly apart from mainstream society but complementary and acceptable as a whole like the Cajuns aquired by the Louisiana Purchase as American citizens. They interacted well with Americans ans became part of the culture at large without much change to their society as a whole. The Dynamic of social evelution surroundin immigration requires more change on the part of the immigrant than on the society recieving the new entrants. Why would a social group move to a state whose culture contradicted the ideals they wish to live under? The message of this. Conform to the societal standard or suffer "rasism" as the result of your voluntary social divisionism.

Now that Racism is starting to decrease, people take their anger out on Homosexuals.

Homosexuals are not a mere scapegoat. It is fair to note that Homosexuals were described as suffering mental disease until political pressure form homosexual protestors and lobbyists forced the federal government to grudgingly accept the departure as a "lifestyle choice" The political title connot change the literal one. The rights of the mentaly ill are not the same struggle as those of ethnic minorities. People dont hate homosexuals as a qroup they simply refuse to be forced to accept mental disease as socially acceptable behavior.

After 9/11, people thought it ok to assult the entire Arabic community in the United States, but now that is dying down.

Ok Consider theis statement " not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslims" There is genuine concern and reason for suspicion. A very small number of the populace is of an ethnicity commonly assosciated with Islam. Since Islamic factions have declared war on all western society people have a legitamate fear of ethnic arabs and other groups such as Malays and ethnic african muslums. There are actually Qu'uran excerpts that call for social division between muslims and infidels( everyone else) This has resulted in Islamic peoples settling in close knit communities and failing to assimilate. If they would disseminate and live amoung other racial and religious groups as fluidly as most other cultures in the ethnicly diverse United States. We have one islamic family, chekeslovakians(sp) ,Mexicans, Pinoys, Hebrew, Anglo-saxons, blacks, and cubans all living in my small little community. It is fluid and cohesive because we all share the same basic cultural Idenity that comes with living in a small working class rural area. Three religions and a copious amount of races all living together and believe it or not knit as a community during our storm crisis of last year. This works because we dropped or social division and actually take the time to identify with one another. If one group became cliques and shut the community out the result would be hate and distrust. Such is human nature.

People want someone to blame, so they stereotype. Look what happened in Nazi Germany. People were killed becasue the nation was struggling. It wasn't the Jews, it was the nations who defeated Germany in WWI that put them into such a horrible depression, due to the reperations they had to pay to the ALlies for the damage the war had caused. People need to stop finding problems and start looking for solutions.

This ignores the fact that there was a Jewish led rebellion in Germany during WWI some historians claim this sped the allied victory. Also note that post war many Jews anticipated the inflation rates and became wealthy on commodities investments durinf the period where most Germans were struglling to feed themselves. The Jews profit off of their misery was a darker seed of hatred perhaps than the rebellion during the first world war. As I jew I can vouch for our cliqish nature and the resultant cultural divide. As such we contibuted to antisemetic sentiment by not allowing for identification with other Germans. Dont get me wrong we didnt deserve to be shoveled into the ovens of Aushwitz but we are not without blame for the situation.

As for your quest for solution it is allready found. SWe call it social unity and assimilation. The responsibility to conform falls on the immigrant. If they peercieve this as a sacrifice of epic proportions they should return to their homeland and more familiar surroundings.

sothiswilldo The Popcorn Flicker Posts: 31 [delete][edit] November 11, 2005, 11:49:pm

"People dont hate homosexuals as a qroup they simply refuse to be forced to accept mental disease as socially acceptable behavior."

It was classified in the past as a mental disease, but in reality, who -doesn't- have some type of mental illness? I see that the "normal" people are the real sicko's out there. They are the ones putting labels and shoving random 'cure-alls' down people's throats for a buck.

"This has resulted in Islamic peoples settling in close knit communities and failing to assimilate."

Question: Could it be that they just want to be around people with their religious beliefs?

Every nationality has certain parts of the a city as their area. China town, Greek town, Little Italy, etc... I live in Toronto, right in the middle of Greek town (annoying during Europian Football season >.>) If I walk 15 minutes east, I reach the Muslim community, if I travel 30 minutes on the subway south west I hit China Town, and right inbetween Etobicoke and Toronto is the Polish Community. Many cities are like this in North America, so I do not see it being so wrong that Islamic people can have their community while other nationalties have theirs.

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exo Posts: 5 [delete][edit] November 12, 2005, 02:52:pm I have many mexican friends that are just awesome people..but I HATE wetbacks..I know mexicans who hate wetbacks too. Am I racist for that? For hating only a certain group of mexicans because they come to look for white women and steal our jobs or create even more poverty in my little town. It's disgusting, to see that trailer park, its trashy, and it smells, and the mexicans there don't no one word or English language..have no education and abuse their own property. Those are wetbacks to me and I hate them, is it still considered racist?

WarPig3a308 Heavily Armed Master of Facts Posts: 88 [delete][edit] Mexicans vs wetbacks November 13, 2005, 09:42:am

Mexicans vs wetbacks,

Its not a race. Wetbacks are a subculture within that nationality. It is healthy for a culture to reject subcultures subversive to their society. This is not rascism this is a survival skill.

Homosexuals

That argument doesnt change the fact that its a departure from healthy mental function. Its an introverted disease like cutting and therefore not dangerous to the world at large. However, that doesnt mean that society will or that it should accept this deviant behavior as an acceptable standard.

Sectarion religious separation

The divisionism you cite results from a desire to preserve the home culture yes. The failure to socially assimilate and lack of interaction with the host society is what allows the alienation, disenfranchisement, and hostility to occur. Note that in most of american society different sects of jews, christians, hindus, and islamic types amoung others not listed live and interact in one community while maintaining religious ties to their specific sects living both secularly and religiously. As a Jew in a Christian dominated nation I have learned how to interact and function within this society all the while maintaining sectarian ties with othe existential Jews. As a result no one hates me based on race and I am an onnoficial ambassador between my sect and members of others I interact with. If we cordoned ourselves off in a jewish community neighborhood and shut ourselves off from the communitty distrust and unease would replace the curiousity and peacable interaction we enjoy now. That very behavior seeded the Antisemetism in Europe that led to the Halocaust.

The communities you cite be it Italian, greek, or whomever is voluntary dividism. These groups live in virtual exile. In some cases large numbers of assimilated members of those groups can dissipate the rascism this tends to cause but note that all the groups you cited have sterotyped cultural impressions and suffer some degree of alienation in the form of difficult government interaction, crime, and other limitations imposed by social exile.

The fact was that it is in the end their choice to live that way and the4 responsibility for their situation is their own and not the fault of the host community. The US encourages assimilation but as the saying goes no horse can be forced to drink even when led to water.

constantine247 Posts: 3 [delete][edit] November 13, 2005, 01:26:pm I ask my self the same Question except different "Why is the Spanish language so damn annoying?"

mmmeee0 Anarchy Boy Posts: 81 [delete][edit] November 13, 2005, 01:46:pm o.0 Dude... what's with your Icon?

Dkngod Opinionated Fool Posts: 123 [delete][edit] Found the Immigration Act November 13, 2005, 03:00:pm "The McCarran-Walter Act establishes the basic laws of U.S. citizenship and immigration. This act, also known as the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, has undergone several changes since its adoption. Originally, the law admitted only a certain number of immigrants of each nationality. But a law passed by Congress in 1965 gave preference to immigrants with skills needed in the United States and to close relatives of U.S. citizens. A 1990 law continued these preferences. Aliens must be admitted as legal immigrants to get U.S. citizenship. People who flee to the United States after being officially certified as refugees may receive immigrant status" (World Book Encyclopedia)Naturalization Act (1790) DC VOA Vote for SinShirtS.com

Dkngod Opinionated Fool Posts: 124 [delete][edit] November 13, 2005, 03:07:pm Icaros- I have no problems with the immigrants that come to work a legal job, pay their share of taxes, and speak English okay, while adapting to American Culture.

exo and Warpig-Thank you. I don't hate Mexicans. I hate Wetbacks who want to fuck the USA up as well.

mmmeee0-I have had several Arabic friends in college and a lot of Mexican ones in the Military. As individuals I knew these were all great people. I still don't like the Muslim faith at all cause its everybit as screwed up as the Christians. DC VOA Vote for SinShirtS.com Edited by: Dkngod at November 13, 2005, 03:09pm

exo Posts: 8 [delete][edit] November 13, 2005, 03:19:pm Oh exactly, and another thing. Mexicans have their own smell, like odor, its not bad or anything but why is that? Is there a scientific REASON why they all have the same smell on their skin? Don't take this as a racist comment just an honest question.

Dkngod Opinionated Fool Posts: 126 [delete][edit] November 13, 2005, 03:52:pm I noticed a similar race associated smell with Koreans. With Koreans this was caused by the Kimchi many of them ate. I beleive it might be tied to the fact a lot of Mexicans have pretty much the same diet with only about 50 main foods and most of these being just another variety of the others all featuring beans, rice, chiles, and jalepenos some where, while most Americans have a more diversified palate. We should ask Metallus_Duende our resident chef in Mexico. DC VOA Vote for SinShirtS.com

icaros I would be fascist if I didn't love democracy Posts: 11 [delete][edit] November 13, 2005, 05:17:pm Dnkgod- why is it so necessary to integrate inmigrants into U.S. culture? I understand the language issue, but what is the problem with multiculturalism, after all that is what makes a nation rich.

WarPig3a308 Heavily Armed Master of Facts Posts: 92 [delete][edit] Multiculturalism November 13, 2005, 06:34:pm

Multiculturalism breeds conflict. People mistyakenly refer to the united states as "multicultural" this is not true. The success of the all Immigrant US populace is more accurately described as a "melting pot". Like a metal alloy the elemental ingredients combine with the existing material to form a unified composition. Every immigrant group that has come to the united states and integrated has shed some of its cultural behavior and impressed a few of its more desirable traits on the US itself. That is what makes he nation rich.

Failure to integrate results in strife. Look at the segment of American Blacks who embrace seperatist ideas to be part of "ghetto" (described by me before as "nigger") culture. They have created such cultural seperation between themselves and mainstream American society that they have forced themselves into a postion of isolation and poverty. This has resulted in many race riots at its apex. This counterculture has since expanded to include a multiracial spectrum however it retains its own rascist anti white and anti- acheivement goals. Note that the Black canidate for the Virginia Governorship (the former Lt Governor) was assailed by black protestors throwing Oreos and yelling racial slurs. Apparently the education and success of the man somehow was very "white" in behavoir bringing the analogy white on the inside black on the outside like an oreo cookie. This is dangerous, rascist, and wrong.

Better yet look at France and its Islamic populace. 10% of France is Islamic. As I am writing this it is day 17 of Islamic rioting in that country. Why? Because the immigrants never assimilate into French culture and as a result have come to blame all their failure and problems on the French.... meanwhile those very French are not only ptroviding them subsudies socialist housing but social welfare as well. If the Islamic community had assimilated this would not be a problem.

Consider for example the United States again. Over 20% of the populace is Hispanic. Far greater numbers than the meager 10% the French have. Note that hispanics assimilate winto American coulture in large percwentages withing a generation or two. As a result these hispanics go unmentioned in the media despite problems with first generation illegals.

WarPig3a308 Heavily Armed Master of Facts Posts: 93 [delete][edit] Hata November 13, 2005, 06:42:pm

Before I forget. the "rag" on the "head" of the infamous "raghead" is known as a hata. The checkered red and white patern is indictidive of a regular muslims. I havent figured what groups wear the garment as it is pretty universal through several regions and at least two islamic sects. The White typically denotes and elder of Sheik status or greater. There are other groups who wear teh furled head coverings known as turbans I am unfamiliar with their customs. I recieved a common checkered Hata in Iraq from the locals. Its a symbol of inclusion in their society and I was honored to recieve it from my men.

icaros I would be fascist if I didn't love democracy Posts: 12 [delete][edit] November 13, 2005, 07:48:pm But some would say that is not lack of integration, but lack of acceptance.

Self-segregational policies within minorities is a reality, but what causes this? It is a way of defense created by the hatred from the majorities. So it is pretty much as slap for a slap game.

Multiculturalism makes a nation rich since it is an important factor in the evolution and formation of this one. Look at the US 'white america' for example, it is a mixture of Anglo-Saxon, Scandinavian and Germanic cultures, celebrations and habits, it wouldn't be that rich if someone said 'let's all be like the british'.

If a family is likely to preserve a culture, they would most likely preserve the good values and elements of it, not the negatives.

comments page: 1 2 Miss_Lucifer Posts: 41 [delete][edit] November 14, 2005, 11:13:pm Have you ever been to anywhere in Europe? Did you speak English when you were there?

icaros I would be fascist if I didn't love democracy Posts: 13 [delete][edit] November 15, 2005, 10:05:am No, but how exactly is that relevant? Inmigrant issues happen worldwide.

icaros I would be fascist if I didn't love democracy Posts: 14 [delete][edit] November 16, 2005, 05:55:pm and under what circumstances you state that one culture/race is weak? And 'survival of the fitest' applies to genetics in which we are all the same.

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