Is an Education worth the effort and money?

Do you like our schools? Are our education institutions doing a good job of teaching children and adults? Or are they a waste of the taxpayers money, nad a waste of the students time? WOuld you rather homeshcool your kids if you had any?

Pain-n-April Posts: 11 November 07, 2005, 07:06:pm i think its half and half. there are teachers out there really doing their part but in my school i alway some teachers that dont teach or care, but they still get paid the same as the good teachers. i think too much money goes to stupid stuff in certain schools. schools say they need more money for somthing important but after all the fundraisers and shit you end up wondering where the money went. PEACE

hokeypokeydemon Posts: 22 November 08, 2005, 08:05:am i must say with over populating the schools kids arent learning as much as they should...and besides we're not learning the whole thing anyways...in most highschools in amercia they leave out the battles in where the states had lost alot of lives...but then again i dont think we could teach monkeys how to type but we did that too... Some call it stalking But i call it love

as_we_pray Posts: 126 November 08, 2005, 10:58:am

I have had experience with both homeschool education and public. Well, to be quite honest with you, neither was really better or worse. I think that there are public shcools that have good teachers and bad teachers. I've had both. I think the main problme with public education is, as hokeypokeydemon said, over population in the schools. There is just too high of a student teacher ratio and that can affect how some people learn. A lot of kids need more personal interaction and guidance from teachers to learn. this is the case with my brother and as such he is homeschooled and is doing better in that than he ever did in public education. I, on the other hand, have always been more of an "independent" learner, meaning that I can teach myself more or less. So I can thrive in an overcrowded classroom because I don't need someone to help me understnad point A and point B (most of the time at least).

I guess my biggest point here is that there is more that can be done with public education, but in the end it really depends on more factors than just the teachers. I think the ones who really want to be teachers and are not just doing it because they couldn't figure anything else out in college are going to better (and remember, this is a slight overgeneralization).

In response to the waste factor, I think that any type of education is completely what you make of it. If you put effort into it and you WANT to learn then it should be wortwhile. If you are just there becuase the state/society/your parents tell you to be then you probably won't get too much out of it. -Fuck you, and fuck you and FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!-

self-rightious Posts: 3 November 08, 2005, 11:55:am I think the school teaching and regulations are well balanced, but it is the people who need to be re-read and sort through. Too many big heads and cheifs and not enough people pulling together to make better changes. As far as adult learning, I attend schooling myself, depending on the class, I find it more brainwashing to be forced to learn and embed others opinions over the 100's of years of existance. I do think if more people spoke and used their voices to combine a better solution to things, it could very well upgrade to a safer, more taught standards and atmosphere.

Alaric Mr. 'I have something to say about everything' :) Posts: 273 November 08, 2005, 08:09:pm Public schools tend to act as assemply plants. Take a kid, throw him in, punch him out and bring in the next batch to be processed. It fees more like public education is producing the working class to fall in line under the privately educated students. Then again, this is kinda a hard statment to defend, but I kind of feel this way. I found Jesus... He was behind the couch the entire time!

Bleeding_Life Posts: 8 November 09, 2005, 02:21:am Wow this is a question I love and yet hate. Yeah the schools do a good job of teaching. A lot of it is bullshit though, meaningless and totally pointless. But, I was homeschooled and it sucks I know first hand. Theres no social interaction with anyone, especially if you grow up in the country like I did, it gets very lonely. You dont learn a lot of the basic kid shit like what I missed out on in 5th, 6th, and 8th grade. But I truly think that we are taught WAY to much bullshit. To much of it is politics and that shit pisses me off. When you have to take a class on Government to graduate Im well upset. It should be a choice for those who actually care about it. Same with Biology. Its not something we need to know to live. Basic shit will get anyone by in this day and age. Sure nothing great, thats what electives and college are for. Learning shit that you want to know to help you in a future career. I do piercings mainly for a living and I had to take in a lot of bullshit that I did'nt and dont need. My kids will go to school, probably public yes. But after I believe that theyve learned all they NEED to know, like the basics, then its their choice to continue school. Id like them to go off to college and get great jobs and shit but thats their perogative...not mine. Their life, not mine....Hell forbid I ever have any children. At one time I wanted nothing more than death for myself. Now I just want it for everyone else...

Deadmoon_girl SHARD Posts: 62 November 09, 2005, 03:53:am i don't think schools are perfect and they never wil be, but i was homeschooled as well and it think it was fucken bullshit, i feel like i missed out on a lot not going to school, ive had heaps of trouble getting over my unsoicalness (i know that isn't a real word...) and i think that people meet most of their friends at school, and learn about life basically, you should have seen what a little sheltered person that i used to be, you can't learn jackshit , being schooled at home! i'd give anything to have been able to go to school, i think i would have turned out a better person, instead of this weird, unsocial, thing that i am now! All my friends are embryonic, All my friends are dead and gone, All my friends are microscopic, All my friends wake up alone.

as_we_pray Posts: 136 November 09, 2005, 12:57:pm I have noticed that most people who are homeschooled seem to lack certain social graces. I never experienced that but then agian I was only homeschooled for a two years I don't know where to go from there so... uh... eat a sandwhich. -Fuck you, and fuck you and FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!-

Elvenblood Posts: 4 November 09, 2005, 02:43:pm I don't think it's either one of those choices. Basically the public school system needs a serious overhaul. Teachers need to be paid better, they need to be held accountable for thier actions and how they teach, school's need better funding and supplies, they need MORE good teachers, the administrative process needs a serious enema, and they need to stop teaching outdated material (goes along with funding and supplies since most schools can't afford the new text books each year). As a person who has long since left the educational system I can tell you most of that stuff they are teaching that seems useless WILL come in handy at some point in the future. However, being taught only the basics WILL get you a job that you can retire from.... at McDonald's or Walmart. Our schools are not ensuring that our children learn everything they will need to succeed in the world. Overpopulated classrooms and tenured teachers who refuse to leave but are so bitter from low pay, outdated materials, beurocratic nonsense and the everpresent danger from violent students that they cannot or will not teach effectively are seriously undermining the education kids recieve from the schools. Unfortunately it's very hard to get rid of bad teachers. The last case I heard of cost the school system $1.2 million in court and lawyer fees to get rid of ONE tenured teacher in a high school. That's $1.2 million that WON'T be spent on books, pencils, paper, food, etc. Everything that schools are desperately fighting to afford for thier students.

NightmarePrincess Posts: 45 November 09, 2005, 03:46:pm I think that thy simply try to keep the children of the street.okay and thy teach them a little bit ... I'm Not Afraid To Die .. I'm Afraid For Being Alive Without Being Aware Of It Just a Toy

Anarchy_God Posts: 24 November 09, 2005, 08:40:pm Fuck ya, my school sucks major ass, they say that have no $$ then turn around and buy brand new fucking computers. It sucks ass couse my school is so fucking small all the teachers have known me sence i was 1, its a lil harder for me to lip them off but for some reason i alwies find a way. My school is a waist of money, time, and effort. We have less then 200 ppl in our school K-12 and I have 180 of them. So yes, waist of time, and the teachers dont know shit and should all be fired. "The diffrence between genus and insanity is genus has it's limits" unleashed_kaotyk_13 Posts: 13 November 18, 2005, 10:17:am i hate our schools

-bloda-droma- Posts: 56 November 18, 2005, 08:10:pm lol some of you peple actually like the school system. you need to see this in the big pictures. most of you arent 18 and dont pay taxes like i see it. i make around 1800 bi-weekly, due to taxes, i put around 500 just into a fat doctors and a wealthy teachers ass pocket, thats 1000 a month just for some old person, a smart ass, and a crook just to get paid. now the way school is set up, every 4 years there is a totally knew learning plan, grade 5 will be tought grade 6 things etc. it advances so much that most kids cant learn anything cuz the mind can only obsorb so much. wen i dropped out my math 30-02 pure would of been universitie level math 5 years ago. then wats really pisses me off is that i see the little kid going around and selling candy, donations, and watever for charities like schools and wat have you, this goes back to taxes cuz where does my fucking 1000 a month goto? i dont want some lil shit stealling 3 dollars from me just so his teacher can go take another fucking vacation. if this wasnt canada and i was 18 and legal to buy a firearm while i was still in school, i would go around loading round after round into greedy striking teacher and smart ass kids all fucking day. just bang band little bitch

JuST-iN_ThE-MinD Posts: 72 November 19, 2005, 04:38:am

You would be talkin about the American school right??? Well if u think that your school are bad try Australian school more shitter, my is a fuckin hole!! I put a spell on you Because you're mine. Im not a spoilt little bitch....... I just get what i want!

Dkngod Posts: 125 [edit] November 19, 2005, 03:20:pm

I hate how schools think they have the right to try and force morals on students. Then you have schools trying to change political aviews and religious values when its none of their damned business.

Most of these morals and the like should be taught at home, if parents would actually take time to teach their kids something and help the family to be a better unit than the more common fucked up dysfunctional group that is so often seen in society today.

All schools should teach is reading, math, real history, science, a few electives, and job skills that will benefit the students when they enter the job market. No empty value programs like sports and cheerleading.

All sports do is reinforce the superiority complex and agressive behavior. Sure they might do a little for building teamwork and the like. But it also puts forward a type of negative intolerant competetive behavior.

Our teams better than yours. I want to be the star receiver/forward/quarterback/wrestler of our team......

I think many youths would be happier to get a job when they're 14 and not have any more school, but to be starting a career instead.

Few people are really smart enough to make further forced schooling necessary. Those who can go and achieve more through higher education will be tested, and can keep going to school after showing they have the academic basis to make it a worthwhile venture for them.

If you have to force anyone to attend school, you're wasting everyones time and the taxpayers dollar.

Tolerance and political correctness should not be taught at schools. These ideas are pure BS, meant to provide another idiot teacher with a job.

I'm a racist, but not because of any racial prejudices. Hell I don't even agree with racism. Nor do I don't the way to stop racism is by having some hippy dumbass telling me I should get along with some group. Often the teacher has no experience to speak from, yet they have "training" and the books, so that makes them an instant expert on interracial tensions and how to peacefully resolve them.

I also hate how in college you have to take certain prerequisites to get your degree. Often these classes have no relevancy to your major. In fact if the college wasn't forcing students to attend these classes, they would more than likely have to close them due to lack of interest. DC VOA Vote for SinShirtS.com

-bloda-droma- Posts: 62 November 19, 2005, 03:53:pm i honestly say stop bitching ,and dispose your life to start the revolution.

BlackRoseMurderScene Posts: 18 November 19, 2005, 07:09:pm The problem with most schools are that they are overcrowded, like mine, or half of what they teach you won't need later on. Plus you don't even learn as much as you should.

School seems to try and teach you about real life, but mostly it seems to teach you how to fail.

I'm in independent study, which is similar to home-schooling, and I've learned more than in public school. But that's because my school was overcrowded and the teachers didn't have enough time to teach everyone.

Then, some of the subjects you learn, you may never even use those later on. Like science, you won't really need, unless you go into a career that acquires it. Some goes for some types of math. Basically what you really need to know is basic math, unless you plan to go into a career that acquires you to know more advanced math. Fallen raindrops; Resemble tears; Fresh flowers placed in a cystal vase; Run with water; As though they cry.

BlackRoseMurderScene Posts: 19 November 19, 2005, 07:10:pm The problem with most schools are that they are overcrowded, like mine, or half of what they teach you won't need later on. Plus you don't even learn as much as you should.

School seems to try and teach you about real life, but mostly it seems to teach you how to fail.

Then, some of the subjects you learn, you may never even use those later on. Like science, you won't really need, unless you go into a career that acquires it. Some goes for some types of math. Basically what you really need to know is basic math, unless you plan to go into a career that acquires you to know more advanced math. Sorry it doubled posted on me Fallen raindrops; Resemble tears; Fresh flowers placed in a cystal vase; Run with water; As though they cry. Edited by: BlackRoseMurderScene at November 19, 2005, 07:11pm

Danag Posts: 279 November 19, 2005, 07:12:pm i think however bad it may be over there and elsewhere... BE gratefull that you all do get at least some chance of an education. its not even the last 100 yrs the rich countries started making an education manditory. and even when it was it was a long time before everybody got one. and there are SOOOOOOOOOO many people out there who never will get a chance. people who are therefore sentenced to a life in the gutter at best.

as_we_pray Posts: 196 November 20, 2005, 12:32:pm I would agree with Danag. Be glad that we are able to get an education. Is it perfect? Fuck no! But at least all of us have recieved at least some form of education. Also, I would like to respond to -bloda-dorma- Now, I don't know how it is in Canada, but in America there are no rich teachers in the public system. University level professors make a decent amount and especially the ones who have tenure, but teachers only start out about 30,000 a year. Now, last time I checked, 30,000 a year was NOT rich. And while this is better than the guy working retail for 11,000 a year (which I have done as well. that's why I went back to college), it is still not rich. Also, teachers do do a lot of work and most of them have to work for quite a number of years before they start making enough to take another vacation. Not to mention that you have to deal with public administration, parents, kids. Maybe I'm biased because I am currently in school to be a teacher, but honestly, if you think that teachers are living the high life then you are sorely mistaken. -Sunshine and farts- Edited by: as_we_pray at November 20, 2005, 12:34pm

Dkngod Posts: 141 [edit] A flood of wasted talent November 28, 2005, 05:41:pm

Now I have to bitch about there being too many people who waste 4-8 years getting a college degree and at least $30,000-120,00 for their education on average.

Then they go out into an overcrowded job market competing for a job in their chosen field. Just too find out that only the top 5-10% of graduates in actuality get these jobs. So that in effect they end up working a job where all their education is of very little actual benefit to them, except to say "I graduated college now I have some TP".

This overflow of specialists in many fields make it to where the graduates who are hired can't demand as much pay for their position since there are so many available replacement canidates to fill the job if ones lucky enough to be hired in the first place.

Many employers don't pay the employees what their work is worth anyhow. Instead they give themselves a pay raise. DC VOA Vote for SinShirtS.com

danmedix Posts: 74 November 29, 2005, 10:48:am My kids' mom is a librarian at an inner-city public school, and I'd NEVER subject my kids to having to actually go to that school! We both agree that it's a combination of many things at play (the teachers not being effective, the school board and admins' not effectively leading, or getting the schools what they need, the lack of $$$, teachers not making enough money, and the kids not doing what they need to do, and with too many distractions - most of which coming FROM the school, etc etc.). This is one of the reasons that I'm shelling out my own money to put my kids in private school. ....and folks wonder why I'm broke!! LOL ...by reading this, you have just been made a better person. ..........you're welcome.

Is an Education worth the effort and money? Is an education worth it? Now I have to bitch about there being too many people who waste 4-8 years getting a college degree and at least $30,000-120,00 for their education on average. If you don't have a buttload of money, or a great family to support you then a person is unlikely to go to college in the first place.

Even with a lot of scholarships, you still have to work your way through school and then still have some college loans and other education associated debts after you finish school.

Many employers don't pay the employees what their work is worth anyhow. Instead they give themselves a pay raise.

I am grateful for chance to receive a better education. I just wish they'd fix the system and its damaging results in society better.

I think a lot of people and the world would be better served if more people began a career at a company sooner so that they get more senoirity, advance faster, and maybe even retire sooner. Instead of wasting a bunch of cash on a piece of paper in a field they may never even work.DC VOA Vote for SinShirtS.com

mmmeee0 Anarchy Boy Posts: 97 [delete][edit] November 29, 2005, 11:20:am Maybe in your country. In Canada, their encouraging people to enter the trades, because alot of the plumbers, carpenters, and candle-stick makers are getting older, and won't be able to work anymore. So, they need new blood to make sure these jobs are taken up.

sothiswilldo The Popcorn Flicker Posts: 51 [delete][edit] November 29, 2005, 05:11:pm Yeah, here in Canada, you go down the path that's right for your skills. There's college, university, apprentiship (trades like plumbing, carpentry, etc..) or just the workplace. It's more balenced that way. WARNING: My profile is umm..shiney.

mmmeee0 Anarchy Boy Posts: 100 [delete][edit] November 30, 2005, 03:52:pm To brag just a bit, I'm in the university stream of High School. By accident or something, they put me in Biology, which I didn't want to be in, because I didn't want to cut open a fetal pig [vegitarian]. But, Biology is awesome, and I'm leaning heavily into genetics. I think I'd be a genetic engineer, and go to the University of Toronto.

sothiswilldo The Popcorn Flicker Posts: 54 [delete][edit] November 30, 2005, 06:11:pm Woo! I wanted to go their, but I can't exactly get the marks... I'm planning on going to Ryerson for English, and If I cant get into that I'll take Journalism I had biology.. I took it over the summer a couple years ago because I was bored. I had to cut open a pig It's kinda cool, and ironic how much their intestinal system resembals our very own.

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