| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:04:08 PM | hello |
| sadaf mumtaz | 10/24/2001 | 8:04:13 PM | hi |
| sadaf mumtaz | 10/24/2001 | 8:04:32 PM | wat's up ? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:04:37 PM | nothing yet. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:04:48 PM | am wating for people to come |
| sadaf mumtaz | 10/24/2001 | 8:04:57 PM | ok |
| sadaf mumtaz | 10/24/2001 | 8:06:01 PM | do u have the solutions of cs497 homeworks ? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:07:20 PM | nopes |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:07:42 PM | i lost them during formatting |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:07:51 PM | of my machine long time ago |
| sadaf mumtaz | 10/24/2001 | 8:07:55 PM | ic |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:08:03 PM | are you doing smalltalk? |
| sadaf mumtaz | 10/24/2001 | 8:08:14 PM | yep |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:10:52 PM | Ok then we can discuss about the use cases. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:11:07 PM | This week we should finish the inception pahse. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:11:24 PM | I think the use cases will be good enough |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:11:37 PM | Some one has to write the glossary. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:12:04 PM | I am thinking of making a small prototype |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:12:22 PM | Maybe with markup screens. Proof of concept. |
| sadaf mumtaz | 10/24/2001 | 8:12:23 PM | are the use cases the only thing which we provide in the inception phase ? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:12:29 PM | No, |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:12:38 PM | Vision Statement |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:12:44 PM | Use cases. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:12:47 PM | Glossory. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:12:52 PM | Project Plan. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:13:07 PM | The list of artificatas are on the web site link. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:13:17 PM | RUP Artifacts. |
| sadaf mumtaz | 10/24/2001 | 8:13:24 PM | ok |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:15:17 PM | Hi Ceasar |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:15:30 PM | Hello there! |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:15:44 PM | I guess we are meeting you for the first time. |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:15:55 PM | It's about time! |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:15:58 PM | :) |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:16:21 PM | Anyways we were discussing about our inception phase. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:16:38 PM | We have to finish it this week, |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:16:50 PM | What's left to be done? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:18:12 PM | We'll its mostly done. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:19:02 PM | You can look at the complete list of artificats at |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:19:06 PM | http://www.rational.com/products/rup/resource_center/examples.jsp |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:19:18 PM | But I think we dont have to all of them. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:19:46 PM | Ive also got to make a use case diagram to tie everythig. |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:20:12 PM | I will review the web site. It's a lot to learn! |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:20:31 PM | Welcome Sadaf! |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:21:21 PM | We got to start thinking abou tthe Elaboration Phase. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:21:36 PM | Others have set dates for 2 iterations for the elaboration phase. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:22:14 PM | In that phase we need to refine our use cases and write some alternate case use cases. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:22:25 PM | Architecture Document. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:22:47 PM | Model Digrams , Test Plans etc. |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:24:50 PM | Are we going to document the risks - requirements, technological, skills, etc...? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:28:07 PM | I think we should. |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:28:56 PM | I was looking at a few examples in the web site. I'll try to come up with a few and send them to you for your review. |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:29:40 PM | Probably by the end of the week. |
| sadaf mumtaz | 10/24/2001 | 8:30:29 PM | In the eloboration phase what things can we write to explain the design? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:30:48 PM | I think we need to go into detail. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:31:02 PM | All the documentation needed to start development. |
| sadaf mumtaz | 10/24/2001 | 8:31:24 PM | I mean object model, action diagrams, state diagrams kind of things or wat ? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:31:46 PM | That is what I meant by model designs. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:31:52 PM | All those documents |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:32:03 PM | plus, system requirements. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:32:07 PM | test case plans |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:32:17 PM | More risk documents. |
| sadaf mumtaz | 10/24/2001 | 8:32:33 PM | do we have to submit any executable by the end of this course as well ? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:32:49 PM | I think we should do maximum documentation. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:32:59 PM | And submit a prototype. |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:33:58 PM | Well what do you know? I lost my connection, but I'm back now. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:34:00 PM | Thats why I put up tomcat installation |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:34:11 PM | Good to have you back. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:34:30 PM | We can try out some jsp's on tomcat. |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:34:47 PM | How do I learn more about tomcat? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:35:14 PM | Do you want to learn about servlets or jsp in general or tomcat. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:35:29 PM | jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/ |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:35:42 PM | When you install tomcat on your machine. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:35:55 PM | There are bunch of samples you may try out and tweak. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:36:18 PM | You can try out with some simple jsp's |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:36:22 PM | Ok. I will look at it later tonight - don't want to lose this connection again. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:36:47 PM | Have you programmed in Java before? |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:36:58 PM | No. I'm a microsoft dude! |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:37:07 PM | ASP? |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:37:27 PM | Yes. I'm a web developer and use most of the MS technologies. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:37:42 PM | Well jsp is quite similar to ASP. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:38:06 PM | You can get hold of it pretty quickly |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:38:55 PM | I bet. Are you thinking of using jsp to build our solution? |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:40:08 PM | What database works well with Sun products? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:40:44 PM | Yes, jsp and servlets. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:41:04 PM | Well any database works fine as long we can find the jdbc driver for it. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:41:17 PM | Most probably we will be hosting on some third party server |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:41:24 PM | They have mysql available. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:41:34 PM | mysql is a free ware db. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:41:56 PM | And jsp/servlets can access it pretty fine. |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:42:05 PM | I see. Of course, we probably won't get a chance to build anything with this iteration. |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:42:48 PM | Or will we be expected to? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:43:25 PM | I think we can put up a prototype. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:43:31 PM | And give a small demo. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:43:52 PM | Like a few use cases Coporate registration |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:44:16 PM | It will be ideal. It should help the team understand the whole process better. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:44:39 PM | But our prime goal should be to get the documents done first. |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:44:50 PM | Understood. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:44:59 PM | Yah, it will get us a better grade for our project. |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:45:55 PM | I agree. |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:47:09 PM | Should we expect anyone else to join us tonight? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:47:49 PM | Well there might be some one at 9 |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:48:08 PM | I'll just wait to see, since I have hosted the meeting. |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:48:19 PM | How long did you plan the session for? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:48:36 PM | Well weve had it for an hour or more most of the time. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:48:48 PM | I will wait 9:15 |
| sadaf mumtaz | 10/24/2001 | 8:49:00 PM | i need to go now, see u people next time |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:49:08 PM | Ok bye |
| sadaf mumtaz | 10/24/2001 | 8:49:13 PM | bye |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:49:14 PM | See ya! |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:50:01 PM | I thought we could also put together a cost analysis document as part of the inception phase. Your thoughts? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:51:08 PM | I think it will be good, |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:51:20 PM | Do you know of any place on the web where you could find historical data on projects? Like how long it took to build them? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:51:35 PM | we can add up the costs, time, and costs for tools (though we will be using free ones). |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:51:51 PM | Will have to search. |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:53:18 PM | I'll take a look at that as well. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:53:32 PM | That will be great. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:53:49 PM | And if you could quickly write them as documents it will be great. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:54:00 PM | The more documents we make, the better it will be. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:54:17 PM | But they should be according to the format of RUP docs. |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:54:54 PM | I'll get to work on the cost analysis document before I look at risks since this document is for the inception phase. I will follow any examples or guides on the RUP website. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 8:55:08 PM | cool |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 8:57:09 PM | Do you have any ideas on dates for the elaboration phase? |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 9:11:53 PM | I'm going to start working on the cost document. I'll see what I can get done tonight. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/24/2001 | 9:12:35 PM | Rahul pu thtem up in his doc |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 9:13:14 PM | The vision document? |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 9:21:05 PM | Well hopefully we accomplish something with our dialogue. At least estabish some direction. |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 9:23:23 PM | So, tell me what can I work on for now? |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 9:36:03 PM | Ok, I'm signing off. Send me an email if you have any other thoughts. |
| Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez | 10/24/2001 | 9:36:19 PM | Later! |