| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 8:57:08 PM | Hi |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 8:57:30 PM | hi naveed |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 8:57:34 PM | How are you? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 8:57:40 PM | fine thanks and you? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 8:58:00 PM | have dinner first :) |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 8:58:51 PM | :) |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 8:59:01 PM | so you can hear me? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 8:59:04 PM | yep |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 8:59:12 PM | i turned off my soudn after the last time |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 8:59:19 PM | :) |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:00:01 PM | good for oyu |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:00:13 PM | I hope people turn up this time |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:00:41 PM | I saw your new page |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:00:58 PM | u did? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:01:16 PM | what do you think? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:01:41 PM | can you hear me? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:01:47 PM | no |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:01:58 PM | ok |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:02:07 PM | what the password, I want to check out how to go about it |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:02:17 PM | you dont need a password |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:02:34 PM | just go to groups.yahoo.com/groups/distrimon/ |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:03:07 PM | i am there |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:03:22 PM | it asks for password? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:03:25 PM | no |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:03:34 PM | ok then you are all set |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:04:02 PM | click on bookmarks |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:04:05 PM | or files |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:04:35 PM | the links are not highlited |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:04:44 PM | Thoug it asks to join the group |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:05:17 PM | It shouldnt |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:05:28 PM | well actually you might have to get a Yahoo account |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:05:42 PM | Hi Justin |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:05:46 PM | although it can be connected to your orginal e-mail account |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:05:49 PM | hi Justin |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:05:50 PM | Hello. |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:06:19 PM | Hopefully, some others will join us |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:06:24 PM | Rob Nunez wrote to say he won't make it tonight |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:06:44 PM | Chandra Shekara wrote to say he will be here |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:06:58 PM | Yes he also wrote to me |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:07:15 PM | ok. I guess we can wait a few more minutes then |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:07:16 PM | Hay Ive put up a hight level use case diagram |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:07:25 PM | Yeah I saw that |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:07:27 PM | on our project site |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:07:32 PM | Couple of comments |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:07:34 PM | I made it using argo |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:07:40 PM | let me check it |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:08:10 PM | argo is shareware java based tool |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:08:20 PM | i use visio at work |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:08:27 PM | is that free? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:08:45 PM | nope but we have it at work |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:08:52 PM | i just save as jpeg |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:09:04 PM | then you can usec anything to edit it |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:09:19 PM | we have all the rational products at work |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:09:30 PM | but i dont think we need to use them |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:09:35 PM | is the univ going to get the rational suite for us to use |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:09:39 PM | i see |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:09:40 PM | nope |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:09:45 PM | its too expensive |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:10:12 PM | i see |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:10:19 PM | they have a link to some other free software |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:10:31 PM | Hay are we all decided for doing this roject in RUP? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:10:48 PM | http://sunset.usc.edu/research/cocomosuite/index.html |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:10:52 PM | dont know |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:11:11 PM | i dont care either way |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:11:21 PM | I think if past experience with XP was bad, then we should not do it |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:11:22 PM | we can set up two member groups |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:11:40 PM | Naveed makes a good point |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:12:42 PM | The TA wrote XP for our project, we should get that chenged to RUP |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:12:45 PM | well i prefer rup, but i dont mind XP |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:13:21 PM | Though we can read up on XP and use any good principles on our project. |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:13:27 PM | i prefer rup too, it sounds like it might be more beneficial in the work place |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:13:57 PM | at least for me |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:14:35 PM | i wish some of the others would turn up tonight |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:15:39 PM | i agree, pretty soon we may be on our own |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:15:51 PM | yeah |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:16:03 PM | The wiki says we need to come up with dates |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:16:13 PM | for milestones ? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:16:19 PM | yes |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:16:23 PM | okay |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:16:41 PM | I do hope people come up for these meetings. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:17:04 PM | But if not then we should go ahead and start off with the initial documents. |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:17:29 PM | agreed |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:17:50 PM | ok that sounds fine |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:17:56 PM | i.e. vision statement, |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:18:06 PM | an initial use case spec |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:18:12 PM | Glossary |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:18:45 PM | So we can atleast get the Inception Phase Done in a week or two |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:18:55 PM | does the wiki say exactly what we need to turn in ? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:19:04 PM | It says all the artifacts. |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:19:15 PM | yeah i told you last time, its on the web page |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:20:42 PM | we also need to assign roles to people |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:20:56 PM | So any volunteers to write the draft version of the Vision Doc? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:21:10 PM | I don't mind doing it |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:21:17 PM | What are the first items we turn in at the same time ? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:21:20 PM | I only have this class now |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:21:40 PM | We turn in everything at the end of semester |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:21:47 PM | although they keep montiroing progress |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:22:00 PM | OK, what are the first few items we need to accomplish to stay on schedule then ? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:22:19 PM | the things naveed said |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:22:33 PM | look for things in the inception phase |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:22:43 PM | Go to the artifact link |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:22:48 PM | http://www.rational.com/products/rup/resource_center/examples.jsp |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:23:11 PM | We'll roughly follow them for the "Paper Work" |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:23:24 PM | yep |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:24:06 PM | So Rahul, once you write the draft version email it to all of us, and we'll put in our comments. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:24:14 PM | Or set up a meeting and go over it. |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:24:51 PM | sounds good |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:25:00 PM | Then we can extract a glossory document out from that |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:25:09 PM | Is there anything else that can be worked on while Rahul is doing the vision doc. Agreed naveed. |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:25:21 PM | start identifying actors and use cases |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:25:42 PM | Yes we can also work on use cases. |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:25:59 PM | Ok. Lets naveed and I try to work on some while rahul does the vision doc |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:26:10 PM | Good |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:26:14 PM | sounds good |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:26:23 PM | When do we expect to meet next ? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:27:01 PM | i'm fine meeting thursday night |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:27:21 PM | thursday is fine with mee too. |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:27:36 PM | Same here. should we do meeting once a week ? is that enough or too much ? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:27:36 PM | can we meet earlier? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:27:48 PM | timewise i mean |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:27:54 PM | sure |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:27:57 PM | like what time. |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:28:05 PM | 8? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:28:07 PM | Yes |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:28:09 PM | good |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:28:12 PM | i like to sleep early |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:28:15 PM | 8 is fine with me too. |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:28:18 PM | thanks! |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:28:18 PM | :) |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:28:29 PM | i like to drink earlky :-) |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:28:34 PM | Hay lets assign the roles. |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:28:34 PM | hahaha |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:28:44 PM | ok. |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:29:13 PM | any volunteers? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:29:19 PM | There is 1) customer 2) System Engineer 3) Architect |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:29:28 PM | Developer |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:29:30 PM | Tester |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:29:34 PM | System Tester |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:30:01 PM | I dont know if they are according to the RUP terminologies or list |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:30:04 PM | 2,3 tester, sys tester are good for me i think ? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:30:45 PM | i think tester and system tester will not have much work to do this semester |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:30:54 PM | The people doing the coding should be familiar with the same evironment i think. So we'll have to get a good feel for our skills |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:30:58 PM | so if you want to do those :), you should do both |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:31:15 PM | and something else as well |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:31:19 PM | I think I can take customer and developer roles. |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:31:19 PM | ok. I'll look at the roles more closely to find out their responsibilites |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:31:38 PM | we also have to assign roles to other people in the project |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:32:16 PM | but again customer is a low workload role |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:32:31 PM | so naveed you can take customer and developer like you said |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:32:41 PM | what about you rahul ? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:32:46 PM | i like architect/manager |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:33:02 PM | ok. so naveed is cust/dev |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:33:06 PM | high level design is what i want to concentrate on if thats okay with you guys |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:33:20 PM | ok so you might have to do the risk analysis |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:33:34 PM | that's fine. I'd like to stay away from hard core dev as well. I can do risk analysis |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:33:47 PM | and sys eng |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:33:53 PM | sounds good |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:33:56 PM | I was also thinking that we might look up a dev enviornment |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:34:00 PM | what about the others? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:34:02 PM | for prototyping. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:34:15 PM | Like this xmlwiki projject has |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:34:23 PM | yes thats a good idea. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:34:40 PM | They are hosting their stuff on a free jsp servlet ISP. |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:34:51 PM | mycgiserver.com? |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:34:53 PM | That's cool. |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:35:00 PM | i have an account there |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:35:06 PM | Really ? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:35:16 PM | yeah haven't used it much though |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:35:16 PM | Do they provide some sort of database? |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:35:24 PM | Rahul: since it seems that the three of us running the show we can put the other people in roles as they come in. |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:35:28 PM | hmmm let me check real quick |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:35:44 PM | You are right Justin. |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:36:12 PM | yep |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:36:24 PM | I have to go in a few. Before I go I'd like to confirm our assignments fro the next meeting. and will it be this or next thurs ? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:36:27 PM | they do provide a rudimentary RDBMS |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:36:50 PM | we don't have to meet that often if we use e-mail to keep in touch |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:37:03 PM | how about meeting every wednesday? |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:37:10 PM | That's fine. |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:37:20 PM | Fine with me too. |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:37:22 PM | that was suggested as a good day by rob |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:37:26 PM | okay then |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:37:34 PM | Ok, next wed we'll meet then. |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:37:37 PM | yep |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:37:45 PM | Not this Thurssday? |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:37:45 PM | i'll sed you the vision document by then |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:38:07 PM | well if we need to meet we can decide that later this week |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:38:11 PM | Do we have a master email list ? I know yall mentioned that you weren't getting responses from some members ? |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:38:14 PM | Justin and I will work on the use cases. |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:38:18 PM | but regular meeting time can be wednesdays |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:38:27 PM | yes i sent you e-mail today about it |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:38:43 PM | justin its [email protected] |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:38:43 PM | I don't believe I got it. Let me check. |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:39:40 PM | Cool. I got it an hour or so ago. Ok then. I guess we'll begin to work and meet next wed. Earlier if necessary. |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:39:52 PM | yep thats when i set it up |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:39:58 PM | thats the plan |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:40:01 PM | Good. |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:40:03 PM | see yall later then |
| Justin Circelli | 10/2/2001 | 9:40:09 PM | alright then. g'night all. |
| Rahul Karnik | 10/2/2001 | 9:40:12 PM | bye |
| Naveed Ahmad | 10/2/2001 | 9:40:14 PM | Ok bye |