Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:04:08 PMHi Rahul
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:04:09 PMhey naveed
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:04:16 PMhow u doin?
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:04:20 PMI am fine.
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:04:25 PMLong time no talk
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:04:33 PMyeah its been a while
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:04:42 PMdo you have a aprtner for HW2?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:04:48 PMypartner i mean
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:04:53 PMyah Sadaf.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:04:56 PMk
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:05:02 PMDo you have any
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:05:06 PMnope
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:05:18 PMhoping to catch someone tonight
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:05:19 PMYou can join us.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:05:27 PMi thought it was grps of 2
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:05:52 PMI guess the 2 Mohammad and Brian have already formed groups.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:06:04 PMyeah so i can do it with rob
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:06:10 PMhe said he would be here
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:06:18 PMI havent heard from him.
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:06:33 PMok .
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:06:40 PMoh ok, i thought he e-mailed the group
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:06:55 PMHay how did you connect.
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:07:09 PMI mean did you use the ip address?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:07:13 PMi used the e-mail you sent out for the last meeting
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:07:14 PMyep
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:07:36 PMok good. I was worried that my ip address might have changes.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:07:49 PMno its the same
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:08:47 PMso we kinda lost our official architect from last semester
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:09:04 PMbut you can take over right?
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:09:12 PMsure
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:09:21 PMBut weve got to start working soon
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:09:27 PMOn the implementation.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:09:32 PMyes
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:09:49 PMIve installed all the software tools needed for development.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:10:01 PMyes i saw your e-mail
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:10:13 PMBut everybody needs to install them on their machines.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:10:23 PMmight be a problem for some people
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:10:31 PMyep
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:10:44 PMIs your linux machine on the net?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:10:46 PMi dont think we have a choice though
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:10:50 PMno its a laptop
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:10:54 PMok
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:11:02 PMwe have the option of using mycgiserver.com
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:11:11 PMYah I tried it.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:11:18 PMnot good enough?
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:11:23 PMYup
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:11:29 PMok
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:11:41 PMYou can only compile through a web interface.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:11:43 PMdo you have a firewall running?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:11:53 PMno u can upload stuff as well
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:12:15 PMyah upload and compile it through a web interface.
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:12:33 PMIts good for deployment.
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:12:52 PMbut not so efficient for devlopment.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:12:58 PMhow bout your computer? is it on 24/7?
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:13:08 PMyes
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:13:18 PMbut I have windoes.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:13:26 PMor i have a desktop with windows that i could convert
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:13:33 PMi think that would be best
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:13:52 PMWould it be possible to put it on the net?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:14:01 PMi'll get some sort of dynamic IP redirect
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:14:08 PMyes that's what i was suggesting
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:14:14 PMits fairly fast
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:14:53 PMand we can deploy to mycgiserver for the release versions
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:15:32 PMyes
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:15:50 PMhay is it possible to install these things on our csil machines?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:16:08 PMmaybe
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:16:12 PMi haven't tried
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:16:21 PMi just feel slightly insecure about them
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:16:30 PMwe have absolutely no control
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:16:41 PMhmm
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:16:49 PMif one of us is running the server then we can make sure downtime is limited
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:16:58 PMSo how fast can we try this thing?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:17:11 PMend of the week good enough?
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:17:16 PMyup
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:17:27 PMSo you are going to install linux on it.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:17:29 PMok will send out an e-mail on saturday
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:17:31 PMyep
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:17:34 PMmysql
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:17:38 PMtomcat
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:17:41 PMjdk
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:17:43 PMapache
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:17:47 PMyes
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:17:48 PMyeah that too
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:18:06 PMthat would be enought
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:18:10 PMyes
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:18:14 PMI suppose cvs will come with it
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:18:24 PMyes cvs is built in
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:18:26 PMand secure shell
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:18:28 PMyep
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:18:41 PMi might just give you guys telnet access
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:18:41 PMso thats it.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:18:54 PMsince ssh is quite a pain on windows
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:19:03 PMYes we will need telnet access to work
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:19:19 PMso just a regular server install
Brian Burgner2/19/20029:19:27 PMhello
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:19:32 PMhey brian whats up?
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:19:35 PMhi
Brian Burgner2/19/20029:20:08 PMnot much....just sitting down to start working on the homework
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:20:08 PMnaveed can u do some planning for the development process?
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:20:09 PMWe were discussing to setuup our dev env.
Brian Burgner2/19/20029:20:15 PMok
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:20:24 PMSure.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:20:48 PMi want to be a common developer this time around :)
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:20:52 PMyou can crack the whip
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:21:07 PMI could come up with a simple example for all to follow
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:21:21 PMSo each one can pick up a segment and programme it out.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:21:49 PMsounds fine
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:22:29 PMhey rob
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:22:34 PMHello everyone!
Brian Burgner2/19/20029:22:35 PMhello rob
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:22:35 PMDuring this weekend I can work on some example.
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:22:42 PMWhile you are setting up the env.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:22:56 PMsounds like a plan
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:23:07 PMSince I already have an env on windows.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:23:11 PMk
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:24:13 PMYou guys talking about development approach?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:24:24 PMso i guess we have at least one representative from each HW group
Brian Burgner2/19/20029:24:24 PMfor this homework, do we base our white box tests on that software architecture document that you guys wrote last semester?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:24:48 PMrob: yes
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:24:56 PMI don't have a partner?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:24:58 PMbrian: yes
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:25:19 PMrob: both of us are partners i think
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:25:35 PMok!
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:26:00 PMDoes each group have to come up with 6 tests?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:26:03 PMyes
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:26:26 PM3 whitebox, 3blackbox, >= 1 system, >= 1 unit
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:26:44 PM5 automated, 1 manual?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:27:04 PMyep
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:27:16 PMhow do u want to split it?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:27:47 PMi'll take whitebox?
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:28:19 PMfine! what an automated test looks like?
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:29:04 PMany ideas?
Brian Burgner2/19/20029:29:08 PM(way OT) where does NetMeeting get our names? from windows?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:29:15 PMi'm not sure. it would be hard to code it.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:29:40 PMbrian: tools | options
Brian Burgner2/19/20029:29:43 PMdo we actually have to turn in code for this assignment, or just a detailed description of what the tests will do?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:29:58 PMi think in our case a detailed description is our only choice
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:30:24 PMonce we start actual coding, we should probably dedicate one person to code tests
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:31:09 PMphew! that simplifies things a bit!
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:31:51 PMyeah. theres a guy who asked about that on the HW page, but no answer yet.
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:32:57 PMDo we have anything else to discuss?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:33:14 PMany other HW issues?
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:33:43 PMNaveed: Will you post this chat session on our website?
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:33:48 PMSure.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:33:58 PMrob do you have an instant messenger account of some sort?
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:34:24 PMYes, through AOL!
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:34:50 PMI'll read the chat session notes to find out plans for development.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:35:04 PMwhats your screen name?
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:35:16 PMI've had a hard time installing tomcat server on my machine!
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:35:25 PMReally?
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:35:31 PMRahul: RNUNEZ1967
Brian Burgner2/19/20029:35:36 PMis tomcat a web server or does it still need apache?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:35:38 PMokie dokie
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:35:46 PMit can do static pages
Brian Burgner2/19/20029:35:54 PMok
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:36:02 PMand of course JSP/servlets
Brian Burgner2/19/20029:36:15 PMalso, have any of you played with win cvs? i used it at a previous job and it worked really well. that might be easier than cygwin
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:36:16 PMtomcat dosent need apache
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:36:39 PMThought it can be configured with apache.
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:36:54 PMBut you need to have jsk installed in order to run tomcat.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:37:18 PMnaveed u can duplicate your setup with wincvs, tomcat, jdk
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:37:36 PMcygwin is quite painful
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:37:44 PMreally?
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:38:02 PMI can show my desktop if you want.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:38:02 PMcompared to "real" unix anyway :)
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:38:07 PM:)
sadaf mumtaz2/19/20029:38:18 PMHello
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:38:23 PMhey sadaf
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:38:31 PMHello Sadaf!
Brian Burgner2/19/20029:38:33 PMhi sadaf
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:38:37 PMGice me a minute and I'll show my env.
sadaf mumtaz2/19/20029:38:45 PMHi everybody
Brian Burgner2/19/20029:38:54 PMhttp://www.cvsgui.org/download.html
Brian Burgner2/19/20029:38:56 PMfor wincvs
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:39:32 PMcan you see my desktop?
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:39:34 PMyep
Brian Burgner2/19/20029:39:38 PMyeah
sadaf mumtaz2/19/20029:39:42 PMyup
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:39:45 PMyep!
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:40:07 PMFirst I got hold of jdk1.2.2
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:40:13 PMwhat should i set up on the server? jdk 1.3.1 right?
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:40:26 PMthen I got hold of tomcat. and installed it
Brian Burgner2/19/20029:40:28 PMquick question....if you're doing everything in cygwin, is there any reason why one of us couldn't do the same in linux? is there anything windows-specific in our current design?
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:40:36 PMBoth are ok
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:40:38 PMYes
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:40:47 PMbrain i am setting up a linux server by this weekend
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:40:50 PMThats what Rahul is going to tdo.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:40:57 PMwill give you guys accounts
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:41:12 PMI dont have linux at home
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:41:27 PMI don't either
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:41:37 PMSo i installed tomcat under the jdk directory
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:42:23 PMYou have to export the JAVA_HOME variable.
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:42:45 PMIn command mode you type set JAVA_HOME=c:\jdk1.2.2
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:43:22 PMthe tomcat is a symbolic link to my c:\jdk1.2.2\tomcat directory
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:44:08 PMGo to the bin directoty and type startup.sh
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:44:25 PMOpen your browser and type http://localhost:8080
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:44:33 PMI have set it up on port 8000
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:45:27 PMSorry 80
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:45:34 PMSo tomcat is up
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:45:47 PMnaveed sounds good
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:45:57 PMwill set it up this weekend
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:46:02 PMgood.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:46:09 PMgotta run, people
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:46:16 PMOk bye.
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:46:17 PMtalk to you later...
Brian Burgner2/19/20029:46:21 PMbye
Rahul Karnik2/19/20029:46:37 PMrob will e-mail you tomorrow
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:46:41 PMThanks for the demo, Naveed!
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:46:47 PMRahul: Ok!
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:46:49 PMyou welcome.
Naveed Ahmad2/19/20029:47:19 PMbye all
Cesar R. (Rob) Nunez2/19/20029:47:48 PMsee ya!
Brian Burgner2/19/20029:47:57 PMlater
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