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Here'e some other people who think so too!
February 26, 2003
DENNIS KUCINICH
Imagine if ANY Republican had this in his background and was running for President:
Basically, in the early days -- before he was running citywide, let alone nationwide -- Kucinich's political schtick was posing as the champion of the 'forgotten' white ethnic voters over against the rising force of black political power. Sort of a great white hope type, or great Slavic hope, if you will.
Would Josh Marshall write this:
People do 'evolve' politically -- and not just in the euphemistic, wink-wink kind of sense. People really do change. And they change their style of politics too. But usually, for this to work, or be legitimate and believable, the pol in question has to make some sort of public accounting for why circumstances changed or why he or she did.
Given that Kucinich is now making a play for the votes of dyed-in-the-wool liberals, a bit more of such an accounting seems in order.
Would Atrios write this:
I'll have to learn more to know if he's attoned for it enough for it to not still matter.
Quit laughing.
Many Kudo's to Kos for writing this:
I don't know enough about Kucinich to say one way or another whether he's made amends for his "youthful indiscretions", but this kind of past automatically disqualifies a candidate in my book.
Josh, Atrios, -follow Kos's lead. He is right. There is no room for this, period, although I am sure the Atriettes and the DU fruits will spend a couple of weeks doing the usual tap-dance- "Hey this is only one story," or "the paper has an agenda," or "but he's changed.," or "but he is so right about the war being wrong."
*** Update ***
Full disclosure- I should mention that I want Dennis Kucinich in this race to the very end. I think he is great- for Republicans.
*** Update #2 ***
It gets even better. Now the conspiracy twits are out, and the Kucinich story has only come out because the Bush White House wants it to (Josh Marshall, ari Fleischer's puppet, you know):
Marshall posted another link. The article he links to was very unprofessional, in fact its just awful, and all over the place like someones first draft--basically I thought it was crap.
If Marshall has something else he wants to offer up, I'm sure we will read it. Mean while Richard Cohen trashes Dennis Kucinich like he was a French import.
Why? Because Kucinich use the O word (as in this war is about OIL) on "Meet the Press" whereby Richard Perle called Kucinich a "liar".
Get that- this is a hack job, because Kucinich was having success in his anti-war crusade. Muahaha.
Filed under Democrat Stupidity by John Cole at 07:56 PM [ TrackBack ]
Comments
Of course you'd think about a dozen other things would have already disqualified
Kucinich with anyone with an IQ in the triple-digits.
Posted by: HH on February 26, 2003 08:10 PM
Now Marshall is getting Rove's e-mails, I'm sure... and Dennis Kucinich is a liar, deal with it.
Posted by: HH on February 26, 2003 10:55 PM
I agree - Dennis' campaign will be a laugh riot to watch - and a big help to Dubya.
Posted by: Dodd on February 26, 2003 11:49 PM
Oh, too bad--it was 1972, well into the era GW Bush defines as ancient history and off limits for discussion. Unless you'ld like to start talking about Bush's coke habit? Or maybe the abortion? Or DUI's? Harken?
Posted by: Barney Gumble on February 27, 2003 12:32 AM
I got a DUI in 1993 when I was in undergraduate, am pro-choice and in favor of legalization of drugs.
And what do you mean you will start talking about this... You have been babbling incessantly since December 2000 about this, and probably long before. Do you have a point, other than the one on the top of your head.
regardless, the point of this post was that if this were a Republican that had done this, Josh Marshall, Atrios, and yesy, you, would be screaming that he is a vile racist and should not be in the race.
Posted by: John Cole on February 27, 2003 12:48 AM
There's actually a single DUI and at the time Bush was not running for political office. Same with the allegations of cocaine. The abortion allegation is a load of hooey and the Harken dog won't hunt, as has been proven time and time again, despite the best efforts of the mainstream press. Thanks for playing htough.
Posted by: HH on February 27, 2003 09:41 AM
Harken - That dog won't hunt, as has been shown time and time again, despite the best efforts of the mainstream press.
Abortion - A load of hooey, because the woman in question challenged Larry Flynt to back up his charges and he responded with utter silence.
DUI (not "DUI's") - Before Bush ran for public office, unlike Kucinich
Cocaine allegations - Still just allegations... unless you believe Bill Clinton should be judged on every allegation made about him as well. Bush needs to call off the war on drugs already but he should do that whether he were a drug abuser or not.
But again, none of this is related to the point being made about Kucinich.
Posted by: HH on February 27, 2003 09:48 AM
Sorry for the double posting again... by the way the apologia just gets sadder. Funny how this didn't set off a media firestorm the way the Lott thing did...
http://maxspeak.org/gm/archives/00000942.html
Posted by: HH on February 28, 2003 05:31 PM
The Worst Mayors (1820-1993)
Next, and seventh, is Cleveland's Dennis Kucinich (1977-79). Only thirty-one years old when elected, Cleveland's "boy" mayor had failings that were not the sins of venality or graft for personal gain, but rather matters of style, temperament, and bad judgment in office. Kucinich earned seventh place the hard way: by his abrasive, intemperate, and confrontational populist political style, which led to a disorderly and chaotic administration. He barely survived a recall vote just ten months into office, then disappeared for five weeks, reportedly recuperating from an ulcer. When he got back into the political fray, his demagogic rhetoric and slash-and-burn political style got him into serious trouble when he stubbornly refused to compromise and led Cleveland into financial default in late 1978�the first major city to default since the Great Depression. That led also to Kucinich's defeat and exit from executive office. Out of office, he dabbled in a Hollywoodesque spirit world and once believed he had met actress Shirley MacLaine in a previous life, seemingly confirming his critics' charges that he was a "nut-cake." After that, he experienced downward mobility, losing races for several other offices and finally ending up with a council seat; but more recently, he climbed back up to a seat in Congress. Bad judgment, demagoguery, and default also spelled political failure in the eyes of twenty-five of our experts, who ranked Dennis, whom the press called "the Menace," as seventh-worst.
The American Mayor
The Best & The Worst Big-City Leaders
By Melvin G. Holli
The Pennsylvania State University Press
Posted by: CLEVELAND (OHIO) on March 1, 2003 06:50 AM
Excuse me, but Dennis Kucinich as a presidential hopeful? How outrageous a notion. This is the man, the mayor, who brought Cleveland to its knees financially. Under his "leadership," the city went into default. We were broke by the time George Voinovich took over.
Voinovich brought the city back by working with corporate CEOs and visionaries in a consortium that helped bring renewed vibrancy to the city in terms of companies investing in real-estate development and manufacturing, revitalizing downtown after years of decline under Kucinich.
I can't believe Kucinich's constituents have been so gullible as to elect him for four terms as a congressman. What has he done for them - in Congress or as mayor?
Think back. The city had no money. Standard & Poors downgraded Cleveland's bond rating during Kucinich's outgoing year.
This man is to be considered to lead our great country? Get a grip, all you blue-collar workers and voters who cling to the hope that Kucinich is the answer. Forget it. He doesn't know how to lead or to bolster an economy.
Laura Carrabine
Cleveland, Ohio
Posted by: CLEVELAND (OHIO) on March 1, 2003 06:51 AM
At lest Kucinich was elected with a majority of votes which is not the case for Bush.
posted by [email protected]
You conveniently forgot something --- Dennis is NUTS!!!!!
He�s a New Age Wacko and totally unelectable.
Are you gonna blame Dubya for his kooky beliefs too? Where was Dennis the Menace when he disappeared from public life? Well getting spitchul with a bunch of neo-nazi white supremacist New Age FRAUDS!!!!
I�m sure there are still fanatic Green fluff bunnies out there who will always insist on treating Dennis�s shameful past are merely youthful racism, but most of mainstream Democratic America can see though all that poo-poo-pee-doo-doo!
There are numerous sites in Canada that make fun of the silly Yankees for supporting Kucinich without fully researching where his �deep spiritual beliefs� come from. It�s very difficult to get accurate information about Kucinich in the States. This has nothing to do with the Bush administration. It comes from the extreme censorship that one always finds from the plastic left. Look up the origins of the Green movement why don�t ya? They are not very far removed from the Nazi occult. New Age Wacko, Racist Opportunist � it all fits together. There�s been no drastic change here. Dennis�s racism has just evolved to a more marketable form that can be sold to spoiled rich white people�s children. The jaded, cynical unplugged yuppie, who needs to rationalize his greedy lifestyle by deluding himself into believing that Kucinich is a man of integrity. Every piece of information comes from the Kucinich camp is as untruthful as every piece of information that comes from the Bush camp. They are too sides of the same coin.
Skull and bones or New Age gurus � it�s all the same con came.
Check out these sites:
Many Kucinich supporters are way out there
http://www.kucinich.com/Way%20Out%20There.htm
Kucinich describes Chris Griscom as a close friend and adviser. Griscom is a well-known spiritual huckster and whacky New Age Loon. He�s got a web site which talks about all the looney stuff described in this post. Griscom is pushing all this crap about washing your heart and washing your brain and she talks a lot about �multi-incarnational exploration." This is Kucinich�s spiritual advisor. He spent lots of time with her in New Mexico (New Age whack-job capital of the world) when he was UNEMPLOYED.
Type in �Chris Griscom� and what do you find?
Let�s see if you can make any sense out of Dennis�s looney advisor:
http://www.chrisgriscom.com/
If you�ve got real player you can listen to this nut ball. I laughed so hard I almost wet myself. She teaches you how to taste and probe the energies in the room you�re in.
Click on washing your heart
http://www.chrisgriscom.com/
Did Dubya make Dennis associate with this loon?
�Imagine that you can look inside your pericardium and actually see any residues that might stress your heart. If you find any dark spots or heavy areas, you can clear away the debris of physical or emotional blockage with the result of feeling lighter and more open again. It is a quite palpable sensation of lifting in the whole chest area as you wash away negativity.
Visualize that you are flooding the pericardium with the most pristine, crystalline water that washes away all the cloudy particles and leaves it absolutely clear and rejuvenated. Let yourself experience your pericardium being filled only with the purest of light energy, inspirational feelings, ecstasy and joy�
Oh yeah. This guy is presidential material, all right. Maybe Dennis could appoint Griscom Surgeon General.
Then of course there�s the whole chemtrials fiasco which you completely ignored
Oops, the Greens don�t like me to say the C-word!
HR2977, introduced last October by Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich, this bill called for the Peaceful uses of space, and a ban on 'exotic weapons�. Section 7 of the 'Space
Preservation Act of 2001' sought specifically to prohibit 'chemtrails' . The sane-i-tized version HR3616 was re-introduced later because Dennis couldn�t get any serious scientists to go along with his lunacy. Talk about the dignity of the presidential office! Can you imagine what it would be like if this man ever became president? He already had the contempt of the skeptical and scientific communities. The original bill is part of the congressional record. Look it up � if you dare! Did radio left ever interview a scientist? Maybe it would be a good time to get one on the show to talk about the chemtrails hoax. Should a man who fell for this hoax and lied about it later be president? What other New Age nonsense will he swallow?
Kucinich is very good friends with, you guessed it, Shirley MacLaine. Shirley McLaine is also the godmother of Kucinich's daughter. She�s the one who recommended that Dennis visit Griscom, and he did it! Think of the advice she could give him if he ever became president. Ronald Reagan is starting to look good next to this WuWu.
Kucinich is also cozy with another New Age lunatic; John Hagelin He was the Natural Law Party�s presidential candidate in 2000.
He follows the teachings of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the leader of the transcendental meditation movement, and well documented fraud. He�s also written a pretty disturbing manual for a Perfect Government. In it he advocates the grand unification of modern science and ancient Vedic Science to create an ideal administration. It�s basically lifted directly from occult beliefs of the Third Reich, but a lot of pseudo-scientific language is thrown in to appeal to the mentality of a typical Kucinich supporter. The New Age is full of closet Nazis. Just because you don�t want it to be true, doesn�t change reality.
Hagelin proposes using a �Vedic Defense Shield� over India to prevent nuclear war.
�Recent discoveries in the domain of quantum physics and human consciousness, according to General Singh, reveal that the field of consciousness is far more basic and powerful than the nuclear field. �This field of consciousness�termed the unified field in the language of quantum physics�is millions of times more fundamental and powerful than the nuclear force�
Dennis gives the right a lot of ammunition here! Check it out for yourself:
http://www.hagelin.org/
http://www.hagelin.org/news/09_05_2001.html
Now there�s a defense policy we can all rally around!
Do you really want theses idiots deciding foreign policy. (On earth, I mean)
There�s lots more evidence about Dennis and his flakey past. The good things Kucinich says are not the result of sound thinking. They�re an accident at best. Sometimes the ultra-right wing Christian fundamentalists say things I agree with. I�m not going to entrust them with the duties of public office!
I�m sure it will all come out eventually on some right-wing hate radio show. If Radio Left isn�t interested in dealing with the Moonbeam congressman honestly, I �m sure Rush Limbaugh will be happy to have the information.
Kucinich: Way, Way Out There
http://www.kucinich.com/Way%20Out%20There.htm
Green Party Roots
http://www.spunk.org/library/places/germany/sp001630/peter.html
Amazing Disappearing Language in HR2977
http://www.cedar.at/mailarchives/infoterra/2002/msg01077.html
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/jan/m10-014.shtml
http://www.wholelifetimes.com/Kucinich.html
Repentant Nadar Voter: Dennis is NO Ralph Nader!
http://repentantnadervoter.com/inthenews/cockburn1.html
Find out what the chemtrails nuts really believe (If you dare)
Chemtrails video
(Although they have no scientific proof, they�d like to believe �. Where oh where have I heard this before?)
http://www.workingtv.com/chemtrails.html
(Caution! It�s best not to consume beverages while watching this -- I�m still trying to clean the Coca-Cola off of my computer)
I'm not calling Kucinich a racist, I'm calling him a liar. I believe that manipulative, self-serving politicians are evil on all accounts--whether liberal or conservative. I don't know whether Kucinich is a progressive or not, but if he can morph so easily I wonder what drastic change would come if he were actually elected president.
Of course, it's all a moot point because Kucinich will never win. -JESSE
Posted on:
http://www.rawstory.com/eblog/eblogfeb04.html
This site is under construction -
until I get all my links together
try a google search of "kucinich" + "racist"
"kucinich" + "Way out there"
"vedic defense shielf"
"John Hagelin" + "Natural Law Party"
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