* Updated 03-02-04 * 301-523-9181 *
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$ 7,900 /obo /trade
REASON for SELLING: I currently own a highly modified Mustang LX, this Daytona GT and an LS1 Trans Am convertible that's a daily driver.. I'm trying to either sell this Daytona or the LX. Whichever sells first, I will keep the other one and use some of the money for a turbo kit. The LX is a '93 and only has 57k miles on the car, about 9k miles on the new forged internal motor and 2k miles on the Tremec 3550 transmission.
CAR VALUE: The Daytona bodykit uninstalled costs $4995 alone. The F-40 Wing with 3rd brake light is about $500. Installation and bodywork is about 20 hours at $25-30/hour. The estimated value thus far is about $17,852 in performance parts alone. This is not including the cost of labor for installing the aftermarket parts and does not include the price of the car. With the car (1989 GT), the parts, and labor....it should be at least $29,000 total....EASY! Of course, I'm not asking nearly this much. The asking price is alot lower but I'm willing to negotiate.
This car is pretty fast, but not the fastest. The main thing about this car is it's looks. I've seen many Mustangs and have owned quite a few (9)...ranging from stock to highly modified. My '93LX is at about 370HP on the motor (built 306, stage 3 heads, etc).. Everybody and their uncle has a Black LX Coupe with a cowl hood, Saleen wing and Weld Draglites it seems (I got one). Then there's the millions of Cobra R rim knockoffs. This Daytona GT is truly a one-of-a-kind Mustang for many, many, many miles and will turn many heads.
Below is the list of all the specifications and performance parts that I can identify. Where you see a "?" is where I'm not 100% sure and where you see a number inside these "[ ]" brackets, means that that's about how many miles are on those parts that I just replaced (and I have receipts for them).
STOCK: Power: steering, brakes, lumbar seats, windows, locks. Tilt steering. Cruise control. Air conditioning. Rear window defroster, etc.
BODY: Full Daytona Kit with F-40 wing and 3rd brake light. Fiberglass SVO type bolt-on hood with prop bar, latch and hood pins (this is not a lift off/pin-on hood). ARE 17x10 & 17x8? 315-35-17 Nitto Drag Radials [100 miles] rear. 275-40-17 front. Cobra tail lights. Full tint.
INTERIOR: Four point rollbar. Grey cloth seats and grey interior with red accent.
ENGINE: Seems to be stock 302 with TFS Twisted Wedge alluminum heads. Edelbrock Performer 5.0 upper lower intake?. Mild cam (maybe F303). 70mm throttlebody. ProM 75mm Silver Bullit mass air meter with cold air intake & conical filter. 24 lb injectors.. Has polished valve covers so I'm pretty sure there are aftermarket rockers and cam (wouldn't make sense to do all the above modifications w/o it.
COOLING: Atco radiator (maybe 4 core because it's bigger than my other car with 3 core). Electric fan. Edelbrock high volume waterpump?
EXHAUST: BBK unequal length shorty headers. Hpipe with high flow catalytic converters. Flowmaster mufflers. Quad tip tailpipes.
TRANSMISSION: PA Performance? C4 (shifts very fast). Transmission cooler. 4.10:1 rearend gears.
(Just in case you're not familiar with the stock Ford automatic transmission (AOD or AODE for 94+ GTs)...they are pieces of crap. Even at the stock horsepower rating, people are known to break them if raced moderatedly. People will tell you that they don't race their car (but they will build a racecar?). I do race occasionally, but it's obvious that I can't drive all 4 cars at once, and my fastest car is my 93LX, which I would use to race rather than this Daytona GT. So it would make sense that this car doesn't see much abuse. But back to the Ford AOD. My 89GT daily driver with a rebuilt AOD (35k miles ago) and shiftkit is on it's way out. And this is only after 30-35k miles on a car with moderate bolt-ons like exhaust, gears, pullies. So if you buy a modified car that doesn't have supporting upgrades, then you're going to pay for it sooner or later. Same goes for the stock manual T-5 (although not as bad). When I bought my 1993 LX (already with 370HP), the rebuilt T-5 broke within a few months. Almost $3,000 went into the new Tremec 3550 (bellhousing, crossmember, CF Dual Friction clutch, etc + LABOR)....and nearly 3 years later, it's still running like a champ. The good news is that this Daytona GT has a built transmission and hugeass cooler to handle the power.
If you check the www.CARFAX.com report on this car vs. the odometer reading, you'd see that I've driven this car less than 1,000 miles.
IGNITION: MSD 6AL with MSD 8960 timing adjuster [50]. Accel coil [100]. Accel brass cap & rotor [100]. Taylor 8mm sparkplug wires [100].
SUSPENSION: Welded subframe connectors. Chrome strut tower brace. Eibach Red Race springs? Performance Friction brake pads [100]. Speed bleeders [100]. Rear control arms?
MISC: Crank underdrive pulley. Serpentine drivebelt [100]. Optima Extended battery.
MAINTENANCE: ALL less than 200 miles ago! New plugs, plug wires, distributor cap & rotor, brake speed bleeder screws, new brake fluids, brake pads, gas filter, synthetic oil & filter, + battery cable, starter solenoid, new Dexcool coolant, serpentine belt, MSD wiring harness,
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1. Well here it is. I guess the last guy ran over the curb and broke the front nose. The transmission cooler and A/C condensor are right behind the cracked nose and they are not dented so it probably happened at a slow speed. The reason was probably due to the previous owner adding aftermarket fancy brake and gas PEDALS. They were very wide and the gap between the brake and gas pedal was less than 1/2 an inch! So when your foot is on the brake, part of the right side of your shoe can depress the gas pedal when you step on the brake! I almost ran into oncoming traffic....so I immediately took off one of the pedals covers. It's fine now. The good news is that you can put on another Mustang spoiler like the Stalker Spoiler or there is someone that I know who's looking to sell this front nose and hood for $500/obo. The hood on this car is fine, but the person won't part it, so you'll have a brand new fiberglass bolt-on SVO hood that you can sell for $200-300. The headlights are actually from a Ford Thunderbird so I wouldn't be surprised if certain Thunderbird bodyparts will fit this car. Personally, I don't think it's that bad. It actually allows more air into the engine bay for extra cooling :)
2. Heater Core Bypassed: The heater cores on Mustangs are known to blow causing coolant to leak into the glove compartment. You don't have to be racing for this to happen...hard accelleration is good enough to blow it ($50 part from Ford dealer). There is a heater core flow reducer for $20 that lessens/weakens the flow of coolant into the heater core (www.mustangparts.com) but it is still not a guarantee prevention. I've got one in all of my Mustangs. Or you can just bypass and not replace the heater core if you don't need the heater, especially in a race car. I'm not sure if the heater core is blown. I can't find any trace/smell of coolant in the glove compartment. This car was from Arizona (when it had all of the radical work done to it) and it was built to race, so it is possible that the owner who built it, bypassed the heater core to prevent it from blowing (since he doesn't need the heater in Arizona).
3. Mufflers: Has a few holes. I have two brand new mufflers that will come with the car.
4. Some knicks and chips on the bodykit.
Ok, I guess you'd have to ask yourself if you really like this wing and bodykit? Because it does attract alot of attention. If you want attention, this car is one way to get it. Another way is to paint your car Tweety Bird Yellow.
Does the wing help? Alot of the experts with their high 14 second Mustangs fully equipped with 2-Chamber Flowmasters, underdrive pullies, timing advanced and Mobil 1 oil (all listed in their mod list) will tell you that you don't need a wing unless you're going over 150mph. I can understand where they're coming from, because afterall, they ARE BURNING up the 1/4 mile tracks 14 seconds at a time in their badass 14 second car. Breathtaking.. Hey, this car's not for everybody. One of my Mustang friends hates it. But then again, he's my friend and has also tuned a bunch of Mustangs with his current one being a 800+ RWHP (as of 2004) notchback that he completely wrenched himself, including the custom turbo kit that he designed and fabricated (he didn't do the welding of the inverted headers though). If I sell my '93 Notchback first, I'm going to keep this one and make him work on it (turbo kit) despite his digust :)
Let's look at the Corvette C5. This car is awesome for the price. It has improved aerodynamics over the previous C4 Corvette. But in a TOPSPEED contest conducted by Car & Driver with Mario Andretti as the driver of cars such as the McLaren F1, Hennessey Viper Venom, Ruf Porsche, Ferraris, Lotus, etc... the C4 was able to reach a higher topspeed than the C5. Both of these Corvettes were tuned by Lingenfelter. I know I'm spelling all of these names incorrectly, sorry. Of course, the level of modifications had lots to do with the topspeed, but Mario Andretti said that the C5 felt very unstable coming into the curves at high speed and that he felt really uncomfortable in it compared to the C4. How does the older C4 achieve higher stability? IMO, it's due to having more drag (while the C5 was more aerodynamic).
How does this relate to Mustangs. Well all Mustangs up until 2004 models are based on the 1978 Ford Fairmont chassis. Throughout the years, there have been improvements (especially in 1994 with the SN95), but the platform has not changed. I think in 2005, a new platform is scheduled to be out though. But all Mustangs up until now, are really 1978 Ford Fairmonts with bigger engines, big tires, and lots of suspension bandaids. And a Mustang's aerodynamics cannot be compared to a Corvette's.
That's why Mustangs needs help in terms of wings to induce drag for stability. If you take the stock rear spoiler off of a Mustang GT, your ET at the dragstrip would improve as well as your trapspeed. What does this prove? It proves that the spoiler is causing drag, thus slowing your car down. But does this mean that the wing is not functional or that this drag is bad? No, because it does function as a drag inducer to keep your rear from lifting. Remember, at the dragstrip, you're going in a straight line within a controlled environment on a prepared track that is straight, smooth, with guardrails, bails of hay, ambulances, etc... If you take off other functional parts such as the rear and passenger seats, spare tire, jack, etc... your car will go faster too. Taking off the front swaybar will also help, but you'll be going offroading if you try this on the streets. There are guys with 10sec Notchbacks who lost control and wrecked at the track due to not having a rear wing and the rear lifting. Again, we're not talking about the awesome 14sec cars @98mph trapspeed. These are 135+ mph trapspeed cars that lifted and crashed. I've pegged the 140mph speedo in my LX notchback before (on a closed Mexican track ;) ) and it was not a stable experience.
If some of these Mustang Purists with their high 14sec cars still thinks that a Giant Wing is not functional, then they must also think that the 87-93 Mustang GTs are in the same catagory since the STOCK body flares of the GTs also increases its weight vs. the lighter LX (that are faster stock for stock due to less weight). Want to talk about non-functional parts that are there just for looks? The 87-93 Mustang GTs all have fake side airscoops. So do the 99-03 Cobras. The hoodscoop in the 99+ GTs and Cobras are fake too.
Motor Trend did a topspeed contest using factory stock cars and they could not get a 1995 Cobra into the 140 MPH zone. In order to make it to 140mph, they had to duct tape the foglight covering and duct tape the headlights of the '95 Cobra and remove its air filter and silencer. A stock Honda Prelude of the same year was able to crack the 140mph barrier without having to employ these tricks. This is was a 1995 Cobra with GT-40 heads, GT-40 intake and other modifications over the stock 1995 GTs that couldn't crack the 140mph barrier. A 1989 Mustang LX V8 was able to reach 138 mph with less horsepower (another Motor Trend topspeed test, Mustang vs. MR2 Turbo where the MR2 won). Could it be that the aerodynamics of the SN95 Mustangs did not improve (but rather, got worse) from the boxy fox-3 platform?
Now remember, if someone claims that they are able to exceed 140mph in their stock '95 Cobra....the questions then would be....were they on a leveled track or were they on public roads and maybe going downhill a little.....were they using a police radar to record speed, or were they using a stock speedometer that are known to be off, and especially approaching those speeds.....did they conduct this test in both directions and did it more than once to account for wind, fluke, etc? Because Motor Trend had a closed track, police radargun and tested in both directions, etc...
Therefore, the rear spoiler does help at higher speeds, while sacrificing some straightline performance. The Porsche Carerra has a wing that would extend out automatically at speeds above 60mph. This is a highly engineered $65,000 car that needs a wing at 60mph + to increase stability. The 1987 Lamborghini Countach had an optional rear wing ($8,000) that was humongous also. Why does the Diablo not have one? Probably because automotive engineering has improved by leaps and bounds since 1987 and we are also talking about a $250,000 supercar. I would hope that the aerodynamic efficiency of car 1/4 million dollar car is good enough to not need a rear wing to maintain stability at high speeds.
But a Mustang is not a $250,000 Lamborghini Diablo nor is it even a $40,000 Corvette C5. Why are the 2003 Cobras ($35,000-$38,000) with 390 FWHP (underrated by at least 30-40hp) electronically limited at 155 MPH while the 2000 Cobra-R ($55,000) with less horsepower (under-rated also) does not have a governor? They are both on identical platforms. Probably because the Cobra-R has the front spoiler and the GIGANTIC SAMURAI wing that enduces drag to keep the car stable, that's why. The '03 Cobras have alot more potential to increase horsepower. 500 FWHP can be had with exhaust, Lightning stock supercharger pulley, K&N, and custom chip. Ford knows that people will go crazy on the modifications and one of the reason for governing the topspeed is because it's a liability issue. And they know that the '03 Cobra is not as stable w/o the nose & rear spoiler of the '00 Cobra-R.
NASCAR. Why don't the racecars in NASCAR have big wings? Well, the tracks they run on are almost perfect tarmac so the cars can be lowered as much as possible and stand just inches above ground thus taking advantage of the drag coefficent of an agressively low bodykit. Remember, the bigger the rear wing, the more downforce to keep the rear planted at the sacrifice of drag coefficent, thus sacrificing topspeed and acelleration. But the tracks in NASCAR are near perfect ovals with no tight turns like, for example, in Le Mans ....where the cars there DO NEED big wings to generate downforce going into certain sharp turns. And the cars in Le Mans don't hit that 150 mph going into those turns neither, yet they still need to sacrifice some acelleration, topspeed and weight with the wings to keep the cars planted in these turns.
So yes, the big wing does help. Sometimes I wish I had a wing on my '93 LX because I can feel the rear lift with speeds above 120mph. And I would not try such speeds when it's windy outside neither. Only thing stopping me is the $500 pricetag of this F-40 wing.
I'm all for high performance modifications first and looks seconds. And one of my three other Mustangs is no slouch (link) either. Good thing is, this Daytona GT also has above average modifications in terms of alluminum heads, upper/lower intake, cam, etc... to back up its looks.
The High School is at the intersection of University Blvd and Arcola Ave in Silver Spring, MD (20902).... (the school is NOT in Rockville, MD.....even though it's called Rockville HS....(maybe they have multiple locations).
From 495, take exit 29-A University Blvd./ Wheaton. Proceed down University Blvd passing a small strip mall, then you'll enter into a residential neighborhood. Once you see the funeral home on the left and passing Dennis Avenue, the High School is coming up on the right. The distance from the 495 Exit and the high school is about 1.5 miles. Pull in and I'll meet you near the basketball and tennis courts. If you've reached the 3-way traffic light at Arcola Ave. then you've just passed the high school.