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BY BILL DOLAN
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219.662.5328 | Thursday, July 31, 2008 hhoked up cars | 62 comment(s)
CROWN POINT | Lake County's sheriff said he is complying with almost all recommendations of a Good Government Initiative study but argues he cannot give up take-home cars for patrol officers.
"It provides greater safety and no overtime costs. That is a dual benefit," Sheriff Rogelio "Roy" Dominguez said Wednesday while presenting his third status report regarding how his department in complying with the Good Government Initiative -- an efficiency push privately financed by the county's largest corporate taxpayers and supported by U.S. Rep. Peter Visclosky, D-Ind.
It is the third time the sheriff has defended take-home cars since the Good Government study, published in early 2007, recommended replacing the vehicles with a pool of police cars used only by on-duty officers.
The issue gained new relevancy this month because as the Lake County Council Finance Committee recommended eliminating all police take-home cars for a savings of $225,000 annually. The recommendation was among several the committee made in an effort to trim $15 million from current spending because of a property tax shortfall.
The sheriff said he will oppose any effort to eliminate take-home cars for patrolmen. He dubbed the Finance Committee "an ad hoc committee to promote political agendas and save political jobs."
The 2007 Good Government study concluded that police take-home cars cost the public more because the county needs to purchase and replace three times as many police vehicles at a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
The sheriff said he will soon post on his Web site an online "report card" regarding how he is complying with more than 40 other recommendations of the Good Government study.
Thomas Dabertin, a consultant the sheriff paid $500 to report on Good Government compliance, said the report card won't give the sheriff a letter grade. But if pressed to do so, "He would get an A for what he has accomplished and his effort and commitment," Dabertin said.
The Lake County sheriff's office is disputing a recommendation by the County Council Finance Committee that the sheriff could save $700,000 by restricting county police patrols to areas outside cities and towns.
Marco S. Kuyachich, the chief of county police for Sheriff Rogelio "Roy" Dominguez, said this week his department "does not and never has routinely "patrolled" areas within any city or town in Lake County which has a municipal police department."
Kuyachich said county police do patrol the town of Winfield because that town doesn't have its own police department. He said county police drug interdiction unit occasionally patrols interstate highways and the department will enter Gary and East Chicago when those city police departments request assistance.
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Whats With All These Political Consultants wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:02 PM:
" Thomas Dabertin should stay in Hammond. Where we all know he is doing just a great JOB... "
Flawed wrote on Jul 31, 2008 9:42 PM:
" Having 1/3 the cars does not save significant money as the cars do need to be replaced more frequently. Good Government study is flawed in this regard. The savings is in the elimination of fuel and wear and tear during the off duty use of the vehicle.
The greatest gift to improve the lives of the officers is to not require them to be on duty 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Remove the burden of take home cars and make the off duty time truly off duty. Having to respond to calls, assist motorists and perform other gas cars duties is just not right. Let the on duty officers do their job, eliminate take home cars! "
RE the way it is wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:22 PM:
" LAIR "
RE THE WAY IT IS wrote on Jul 31, 2008 6:35 PM:
" You are totally clueless. The Indiana State Police is a full service police agency. Granted our main focus is traffic enforcement in the northwest part of the state, any other pixar cars bottle "real cop" will tell you a majority of your arrests come from traffic (OWI, WARRANT, DRUGS.) As far as driving our commissions off duty, I've covered crashes, written tickets, changed countless tires, helped lost people, backed up any officer on a stop, and went to nearby calls in local towns, all while off duty. Any police presence is a deterrent. People fly up in the left lane as I ride in the right lane, do you think they jam on the brakes for the fun of it? A police car parked on the street in front of my house does nothing to deter crime?? "
You are kidding me right wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:57 PM:
" Let me get this straight.. You paid a guy $500 dollars to grade yourself. Well I am sure we will get a fair report there. Not only did he pay someone he hired Tom Dabertin.. There is a real brain trust...
I am not sure why we even need the sherriff. I have a perfectly good police department in Schererville and they do a wonderful job. Let these other cities and towns either get thier own department or let them foot the bill for the sherriff. Why do I pay taxes for two police departments????
Good god the BS in Lake County just keeps on comming... "
re the way it is transport cars wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:48 PM:
" The state troopers take their cars home for many good reason. If you had any common sense you could figure this one out by yourself. Apparently you need help, one good reason the cars go home is the geography, most posts cover five counties. Why drive 2 or 3 counties over to patrol, and then return to your post at shifts end, that would be a waste of gas. As far as REAL POLICE, consider that the State Troopers do an additional 6 or 7 weeks more of training than a real policeman, whatever you think that is. Know your facts before you post a comment. "
lets see Times wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:08 PM:
" Enough is enough with these cars!!! Let everyone buy their own car and pay for their own gas like every other normal working stiff, whether in or out of county,city or town government. I would love it if for once the paper would do their part instead of defending Roy and Van Til and post a list in the paper of each and every City, Town and County official and employee that drives a government vehicle. Maybe if the public was aware of who these people are they could keep test drive unlimited pc cars an eye on them and maybe those driving the cars around would grow a conscience and either turn them in of at used cars private sellers the least not abuse the use of them. And let the public put the blame on the culprits and quit blaming the innocent that don't even use the gas or the cars. "
R.S. wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:06 PM:
" Forget all of you, i love my take home squad! "
Okay wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:05 PM:
" True our officers are under paid... But they knew that when they excepted their positions. It's just sad some officers take advantage of their privlage, and use their work cars for personal use. We have all witnessed this a time or two. --- one spoiled apple ruins a whole bunch --- If there was some way to regulate that these officers used their cars for only work assignments sure let them take the cars home. But theres not. And to many officers are taking advantage of our city and in turn our tax dollars. Oh, most of these officers arn't just running a few blocks away to the grocery store either. I have seen on several occasions where the whole family going on family outings. "
Get with it Rogelio wrote on Jul 31, 2008 3:58 PM:
" You are cheating ALL OF US taxpayers! Just another excuse so the county cops' kids can use the vehicles yet again! "
truthful wrote on Jul 31, 2008 2:40 PM:
" many years ago when police departments were smaller, take home cars were used as a deterent. cars, gasoline, and maintenance were much cheaper then. today, county police officers actually have take home cars written into their collective bargaining agreement. when that happened the cars were no longer a deterent but instead became a perk. "
drive on wrote on Jul 31, 2008 2:07 PM:
" All you jealous, Bolshevik whiners make one big assumption that is WRONG. The officers with take-homes do not haul their family around on household errands on a routine basis. If you were the least bit knowledgeable and put your hatred on hold for a second, you would easily understand. An officer in a squad would be expected to perform his duty. If he ignored an emergency situation, there would be a lot of critisism. Officers clearly know this. An officer cannot, will not, should not, have a civilian in the squad in emergency situations. Some towns allow 'ride-alongs' most do not. And ride-alongs must wear protection. It is dangerous out there. Not a place for the kiddies in the car. "
to DONT HAVE A FIRE TRUCK wrote on Jul 31, 2008 2:06 PM:
" When you are at work you don't drive the truck alone to a fire. So giving you a take home truck would be a waste.
The police do dirve alone when on the job. Beside you sit in the fire house for 90% of you job not really doing anything and get paid so it looks like your pay is fair! "
Lake County Five- wrote on Jul 31, 2008 1:59 PM:
" I drive my take-home off duty, this is true. I also respond to calls, make traffic stops and assist motorists when I see a car pulled over on the side of the road. I don't see how going back to the "pool car" system is going to save money!! It has been proven time and time again that take-home cars last much longer and are maintained much better!! One of the regulations for taking are cars home is to have our police radio on, and our GPS system. The administration can pull-up our location and see what we are doing. So to say we are just out "joyriding" isn't true.
And to "I DON'T HAVE A FIRETRUCK" Do you really want to take your firetruck home? That's ridiculous, stop being silly.
Once again, it's not the Lake County Police wasting county spending!! It's those other county offices in the A-building. They got like 200 secretaries doing nothing!! On any given day you got a third of those employees smoking cigarettes or sitting in the cafeteria doing absolutely NOTHING!! Take a walk past some of those offices on any given day. You'll see office after office of "chair-warmers"! "
Intellegence wrote on Jul 31, 2008 1:59 PM:
" Let them take the cars home. I used to egg them when I got the chance when I was a kid. The more kids mess with them the more they will not want to take them home. Hehe. "
OverTaxed Payer wrote on Jul 31, 2008 12:35 PM:
" There is no income tax on take home cars. The IRS determined that officers, considered to be on duty 24 hours a day, can drive these cars without an income tax being levied against them.
They are a second car for the officer to use off-duty(Part of their salary). If you don't like it, or are just jealous, step up and take the job yourself. Otherwise, give them a raise or shut the heck up! Or maybe these officers should just take the pay cut sh hybrid cars and quit, leaving all of us to fend for ourselves.
Thanks guys, you do a great job with very little appreciation.
By the way. These guys and gals all pay property taxes too, so in effect, pay their own salaries. Can anyone else say this! "
Simple is correct wrote on Jul 31, 2008 12:24 PM:
" The council needs to do their job if the department heads can't or won't. End of story. "
CITIZEN wrote on Jul 31, 2008 12:20 PM:
" I usually read the comments on "hot topics" like this without commenting myself despite my urge. However, I must say that it seems that MOST of the folks who left comments regarding this article do understand the full picture and I thank diesel cars in you. Others obviously do not. They say "People who know the least speak the loudest" and the proof is in these comments when I read how a few of you feel. First, some want to see the police force cut. I shake my head in utter disbelief and ask you this: Do you think the remaining officers are gonna work that much harder to pick up the slack on an already short-staffed division that patrols a steadily-growing county? Do you understand the severe risk to safety that poses to not only responding officers, but also the 'taxpayers' (as everyone loves to call themselves). I believe that many people would feel the burn from a reduced police presence just as most have felt it with rising fuel prices. Folks, be careful what you wish for. "
Susan is right wrote on Jul 31, 2008 12:09 PM:
" Lets see proof, Dominguez! "
CountyTaxpayer wrote on Jul 31, 2008 12:04 diffee cars PM:
" Lets look at the real problem here folks!!!! What about the county civilians who take home county cars??? have them park them, like Mr. Bernard Carter, does he need to drive a county dodge charger home???? he's not that important jus because he has a piece of paper hanging on his wall, he's no different then any other county civilian employee, its jus the politics snow patrol chasing cars that are played within the county if the council likes you then they will only go after the other people they don't like. Our county council girls and cars is jus as bad as cook co. ILL!!!! lets get some new council members in their who know what "Working for the people " is, and not jus for themselves.!!!!!! Leave the public saftey depts as be, an lets work on the so called real used cars ca money hounds the the county council!!!!!! "
the problem with roy wrote on Jul 31, 2008 12:03 PM:
" is that he is an attorney. he knows if he claims these vehicles for what they are, a second car for his employees, they will have to pay taxes on that income. so he has to blow smoke and call it "public safety". this deprives the federal government of the taxes they are rightly due from these income tax cheats! "
Unsafe at any speed wrote on Jul 31, 2008 12:00 PM:
" Take home cars do not reduce crime. In cities that have transitioned to take home cars and in cities that stopped allowing take home cars the crime rate remained virtually the same. Take home cars do NOT reduce crime.
The only proven change is that take home cars INCREASE TAXES. "
are these cash and cars lottery cops paying income tax wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:59 AM:
" since these cars are a perk? "
many of you agree with me wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:58 AM:
" the cars a a perk. they are a second vehicle. something to drive to the grocery store or take the kids to school. why won't the sheriff admit this? why does the sheriff think we are stupid. is it because stupid voters are putting mr Van Til back in again? maybe so! and maybe as a county WE ARE STUPID! "
sheriffs office should be ABOLISHED wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:55 AM:
" don't call a cop. Call smith & wesson. cars for less than Tried and true. Proven reliable. No overtime charges. No take home vehicle. "
Re The way it is wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:48 AM:
" You have no clue what the State Troopers italian cars do. When they are off duty and driving their commissions, they are obligated to stop and assist until an on-duty officer arrives. As far as police work goes, they perform the same duties as local and county in a great deal of the state, they also back-up the locals if need be. You don't see the locals on the Borman. You are wrong and totally off base on this. "
Simple wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:46 AM:
" The County Council needs to simplify this matter and tell Rogelio $450,000 absolutly needs to be cut from his '09 budget within 45 days. If he doesn't comply, the council will do it for him at their descrection. End of Story. "
TO about the pay wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:42 AM:
" First off I know EMT's around here that make more than $12 an hour, Paramedics I know make around $18 an hour. Secondly, Lake County Sheriffs receive a take home car after their 1 year probationary period is completed. The car is part of their job offer. They will have to be compensated in some way if we take those cars away. "
Susan wrote on Jul 31, 2008 collector cars 11:31 AM:
" Can the used cars denver sheriff provide any actual statistics showing the crime-fighting value of a take-home car? How many crimes in progress stopped? antique buick cars How many officers performed their duties after hours because they had the car available? For that expense, I'd like to see more concrete evidence than "it feels like a crime deterrent." "
about the pay wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:18 AM:
" EVERYONE in Indiana is underpaid....especially Northwest Indiana people so that's not an excuse and you can quit using it! Yes, they put their lives in harms way, so do Paramedics and Firefighters and I can tell you as a matter of fact that a Paramedic of almost 30 years only makes about $12 an where to find used cars hour around here. That's sad if you ask me! "
to why pick on take homes wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:14 AM:
" The cost of the cars are forced on us buy Gov. The buying of the product is a personal choice. "
Keep the cars wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:12 AM:
" in the pool system the car lasted at best two years due to going around the clock 24 hrs. the cars taken home are kept cleaner and better maintained and get 3-5 years of usage with less maintenance. part of a cops salaries is a take home car. more police cars on the streets, whether on duty or not, the safer the community is. Those employees can be called to work or respond at anytime. The OT answer is questionable. "
to wethen wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:04 AM:
" its always easy to criticize and never do anything. think about this- be the change you want to see in this world wethen. if you you dont like it, save up your money and run for sheriff or go to the academy and become an officer.
or you can do what i know you will do- sit back and criticize while doing nothing. thats all people do these days. congradulations. "
I DONT HAVE A FIRE TRUCK wrote on Jul 31, 2008 10:51 AM:
" What about the fire fighters if I have a fire truck or an ambulance you think fires wont start or people wont need help as much ?Give me a break.Its just a perk Fire men dont make alot of money either lets see fast food workers dont so on so on.Ihave three cops that live by me with take home cars pepole still speed blow off fireworks nothing has changed .One thing has its an extra car that snowplows have to drive around because the guys who are on callwith them are to lazy to move them and to clear number of cars in china the snow from the cars .If people think that it makes them safer or it saves overtime gusse again check time sheets for the cops .why not give all town or city workers take home cars or tucks so we can get the snow cleared faster fires put out faster or what ever needs to be done .As we all know town city or county workers dont a lot of money so lets give them all cars and trucks so our streets will be safe .If the cop car is empty its not doing anybody any good just sitting there "
why pick on take homes wrote on Jul 31, 2008 10:48 AM:
" some of you are right. If they eleminate take home cars, pay has to go up. the cars are part of the compensation package. Lets look at the bigger picture now: You complain about lowly paid public servants using take homes but you will not flinch in buying products from executives that make millions of dollars per year. What if they cut their salaries and passed that on fastest cars as lower product prices? "
Local LE wrote on Jul 31, 2008 10:39 AM:
" To The way it is; you say the ISP does "not do 1/2 the work of real police"? What have you been smoking? I've been in local LE for 30 years, I assure you the ISP does real police work. What happened get too many tickets from some of the troops or maybe you tried to be one and got rejected, too bad, I've worked with many troopers over the years, from traffic details to major cases, and I can tell you they do the same work all of us do, spread thinner due to their wide area, but they are out there and do an excellent job. belle vernon pa used cars "
TOO BAD REGION OFFICER wrote on Jul 31, 2008 10:39 AM:
" Sorry you disagree with folks speaking their minds. For someone who supposedly is sworn to uphold the constitution, you have an issue with free speech? Wet hen is entitled to his/her opinion just as you cry baby cops are allowed to whine that you aren't paid enough. If you feel that way about your pay, find a different job! "
Hoosier Hunter wrote on Jul 31, 2008 10:21 AM:
" I would rather have my taxes raised than see take home cars or the number of lake county sheriff patrolmen reduced. Surely the county can trim the fat from other county departments not related to public safety. "
Dave wrote on Jul 31, 2008 9:51 AM:
" If you have a Police scanner, you know that off duty Officers (with take-home cars) go out and help the on-duty Officers when they need it. Or if bad storms, etc,come to your area they come out and help OUR Families. So lets keep the take-home cars are us and our Families.. "
Mr. O wrote on Jul 31, 2008 9:41 AM:
" Take-home-cars are a great thing, twice I had a off duty officer in his Police car help me, when I needed it. And all of us know that Police Officers are under-paid in Indiana. "
Unreal wrote on Jul 31, 2008 9:33 AM:
" If you feel the Sheriff's Dept is not needed then dont call them when you need help. I also wonder how would you feel if one of your loved ones had an extreme emergency and the first officer on scene was reponding while off duty in his take home vehicle. The you'd praise the program. But I guess some people like putting a dollar value on people's saftey and or life as long as it's not theirs or their loved ones. "
Both sides wrote on Jul 31, 2008 9:15 AM:
" I can see where take home cars have a purpose. They do make for a stronger used cars in odessa "police presence". bullet proof cars However, the theory is that an officer would also stop a violator while off duty and in his/her squad. I've never seen this happen. Also, they waste gas by driving 10-15 over the speed limit when off duty with kids and wife in the car. I've seen this dozens of times on 49. Is the "police presence" generated by take home cars enough to offset the cost of $4 gas they are burning in these V8 cruisers? I doubt it. "
dave wrote on Jul 31, 2008 9:09 AM:
" i worked for two different police deptartments, one with a pool car system and one with a take home car system. in the pool system the car lasted at best two years due to going around the clock 24 hrs. the cars taken home were kept cleaner and better maintained and you got 3-5 years of usage with less maintenance. never mind the low pay a policeman receives and having has to work two jobs so he can put a steak on the table once in awhile. also never mind my 15 minute trips to the grocery store tirning into an hour. think about it dummies. "
Fleet Manager wrote on Jul 31, 2008 9:02 AM:
" Anybody with knowledge of fleet vehicles knows that take home vehicles do save money. The vehicles last 5 times longer and remain under warranty 3 times as long thus lowering maintenance costs. The fuel cost is what hurts everybody and you have to know that with the fuel costs rising day to day patrols are going to eat up the gas budget, not the take home gas usage. "
Remember wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:59 AM:
" Those police cars are not just joyriding. Those employees can be called to work or respond at anytime. So next time you see used cars cedarburg wi one driving off duty just think that he may be on call and have to leave his family if an emergency occurs. Back in the old days when you left work your were done. Now officers are subject to call-outs. "
pay wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:51 AM:
" Roy needed to pay someone to report on good government compliance. Why? "
The way it is wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:50 AM:
" Take home cars are only perks for some Departments. Look at the State Police. Everyone who works for the Indiana State Police has a take home car and they don't even do half the work of real Police Officers. Where's the out cry for them?? "
Region Officer wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:44 AM:
" Wet Hen. I have had about enough of your comments. Do you ever keep your opinions to yourself? Just shut up I am tired of reading your liberal comments. "
Here we go again wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:42 AM:
" "It provides greater safety and no overtime costs. That is a dual benefit," Sheriff Rogelio "Roy" Dominguez said. 1) explain and prove how it provides greater safety with facts. Why would anyone take anything at face value from a Lake County politician? 2) Why no overtime costs and what it that versus cost of the cars? 3)The guy he hired and paid would give him an the cars bio "A" ron pratte cars if pressed.
Why do these politicans continue to just make statements like these and then hire someone like that to evaluate them and then let it get out? mpg cars And I thought a Mayor who didn't know how computers work was bad! "
Taxpayer wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:42 AM:
" These take home cars have to cost at least $30,000 and another $10,000 to equip them. And that's not to mention, maintenance, and fuel costs. And those extra dark privacy glass windows. What's up with that? The sheriff says this saves on overtime? Give me a break. "
A cops wife wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:36 AM:
" WEll, then maybe cops need a raise to buy their own vehicles to drive back & forth to work. I know that the crime on our street with my husbands squad car parked out front has gone down considerably & I know our neighbors appreciate it. Do you people realize how underpaid our officiers are? They risk their lives everyday & part of their salaries is a take home car. My husband rarely drives his squad car off duty & if he does it's only a couple of miles. I realize that some guys take advantage, but not everyone. I can honestly say in the 7 years I have been with my husband I have rode in his squad car less than 5 times & once was actually part work. Maybe you people need to look at the whole picture, not just part of it. "
ok wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:35 AM:
" so let them keep the take home cars...but that doesn't mean they can drive them like their personal cars! Let them take them home and park them in their driveway. It's rediculous for taxpayers to have to pay for their gas and maintenance so they can use the police cars for their own personal benefit. "
Efficient sure Roy wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:25 AM:
" Whatever you say Roy, I'm just glad your term is laramie wy rental cars almost up. "
Overtaxed wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:17 AM:
" Sounds like we need a new sheriff in town. One that listens to the people that pays his salary. "
Lynn wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:11 AM:
" Of course they are going to say they need them. Otherwise they would have to figure out how to pay the high gas prices like everyone else who drives their OWN cars to work. Only down side if they no longer have a take home car then they will up their WAGES to cover gas prices anyways... lets screw the people oout of their money so they can have it made...UMM NO "
Geez wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:02 AM:
" These guys DO NOT get paid enough, this is the least we can do! Pull that stick out of....ya know. "
Safety and Thanks wrote on Jul 31, 2008 7:51 AM:
" I absolutely think take home cars are a fantastic idea. You get what you pay for in everything including public safety. The more police cars on the streets, whether on duty or not, the safer the community is. All it takes is seeing the car, not actually knowing if the officer is on duty or not. Not to mention that these officers put their lives on the line everyday for VERY little pay. A take home vehicle is the least of my concerns for these fantastic officers who protect us and our communities. Keep the cars! "
Please wrote on Jul 31, 2008 7:28 AM:
" Put the name used cars eos fsi reg price Tom Dabertin on a statement and it's used cars glen cove new york not worth the paper it's printed on. He'll say anything, he's getting paid. "
Daniel Kmak wrote on Jul 31, 2008 6:43 AM:
" The Sheriff is trying to defend his job. The deputies are not needed nor are their perks. Lets save money somewhere and I think that department can be cut back. dvd players for cars "
Wet Hen wrote on Jul 31, 2008 5:22 AM:
" I still think "take home" cars are a bad idea and a burden on the tx kellee cars payer, requiring an excess of cars to be bought, insured, maintained, and fueled.
And that applies to all county and local officials and whoever gets a take home car. "
Nice wrote on Jul 31, rent to own cars 2008 3:23 AM:
" If the sheriff pays me 500 bucks, I'll give him a good report card too.
More politics. Too sad. "
kallen wrote on Jul 31, 2008 1:25 AM:
" If he wont stop the take home cars at least make the police pay for the gas they are using when they are joy riding in tax payer's car it is not there's to just go to the store or take there kids to school. The officers should be responsibe and pay for what they use. "
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