VI. Theme

 

Submission: Assignments must be done in Microsoft Word. Combine the writing assignments for this section in single document titled “Point of View.” Include your name, class, and Course ID in the paper heading. Save the document as POV + Your Last Name. Then e-mail the assignments as an attachment to [email protected].

Stating the Theme

 

Meyer tells us that “Theme is the central idea of a story. It provides a unifying point around which the plot, characters, setting, point of view, symbols, and other elements of a story are organized”(246).  The theme of a literary work is similar to a thesis in expository writing.  Theoretically, all the ideas in an expository paper should support the thesis.  We also know from our own writing experience that developing the thesis statement is perhaps the single most difficult part of the writing process.  It often requires a number of revisions as we work with our ideas to make them coherent.  Literary works are usually more subjective than the writing we do in college.  Authors are artists who explore the complexities of our lives by telling stories about how things actually happen or how they should happen. Even the writer may not be able to state the theme of a story because he or she may be focused on telling the story rather than explaining its meaning.  For this reason, a literary work may have implications that are more far reaching than the author intended.

Assignment 1:  Read “Theme” in The Bedford Introduction to Literature, pages 281-284.  Write a paragraph on the theme of “A Rose for Emily.”  Try to state the theme in a single sentence just as you would a thesis statement.  Explain your answer with references to the plot, character, setting, and point of view of the story. When you have completed your paper, compare your answer to what Faulkner says in “On ‘A Rose for Emily’” pages 98-99.   In what ways does your paper agree or disagree with Faulkner’s view of the story?

 

You may have noticed that my views of the story presented in previous sections do not necessarily agree with what Faulkner said in the interview.  His view of the story is based on his experience writing the story, and his experience living in the South in the first part of the 20th century.  Like many Americans, Faulkner believes that Miss Emily bears the responsibility for her own actions.  He sees her conflict as a struggle between good and evil: God and Satan.  But, artists are observers.  They write what they see and hear whether they understand it completely at the time or not.  Faulkner writes the story from the point of view of the townspeople, giving us a very clear view of their influence on Miss Emily’s life.  He also provides details in the plot that indicate Miss Emily has serious psychological problems.  I believe these are mitigating factors, but my view has been shaped by advances in psychology and sociology as well as historical events like the Viet-Nam War that have made us examine the role of the individual and the role of society and government in much different ways than Faulkner viewed them.

 

There is no one correct answer in matters of literary analysis and interpretation.  Your ideas about the theme of a work may vary from the author’s, the professor’s, and your classmate’s.  What is important is how closely and carefully you examine the details of the work to support your ideas.  

 

The Final Paper

Assignment: 2:  Complete reading In the Lake of the Woods by Time O’Brien.  Write a paper on the theme of the novel.  In your paper state what you think the central idea of the novel is.  Support you idea with evidence from the plot, characters, setting, point of view, and use of language.  Your paper should be between 4 to 5 pages long.  While the paper should focus on your ideas, you may also include information from outside sources.  The following interview with Tim O’Brien and links to historical and scientific materials may also be used for reference. 

 

The final paper will involve examining the theme of In the Lake of the Woods by Tim O’Brien.  Novels like full length plays usually have more complex plots, more extensive character development, more elaborate use of settings, and more thematic development than short stories and poetry.  A novelist may have a central theme in mind as well as a number of themes that are interrelated or support a central theme.  In order to determine the theme, we need to examine the other elements of fiction and analyze how they contribute to the central idea.

Plot

Novels often have more than a single plot line.  The main plot in In the Lake of the Woods focuses on the mysterious disappearances of Kathy and John Wade.  This main plot deals with their stay at the cottage after John’s defeat in the senate primary, Kathy’s disappearance, the search, and John’s disappearance.  Other plot lines include John’s early life, John and Kathy’s courtship and marriage, John’s service in Viet-Nam, and John’s political career.  In addition, there are a number of chapters called “Evidence” that contain interviews, exhibits, and references to other texts. Finally there are several chapters called “Hypothesis” that present possible scenarios of what happened to Kathy and John.

 

The plot is not structured in chronological order.  The novel begins with a chapter called “How Unhappy They Were” which deals with John and Kathy’s last days together at the Lake of the Woods.  The second chapter, “Evidence,” includes parts of interviews and exhibits seemingly placed in random order.  The third chapter, “The Nature of Loss,” discusses the death of John’s father. Chapter four focuses on John’s memories of their last day and night together.  Chapter five presents the hypothesis that John and Kathy’s marriage became unraveled and she left. 

 

Why does O’Brien use this method of story telling?  We remember Faulkner used a similar method in “A Rose for Emily.”  The fact that they events are told out of sequence helps to create mystery and suspense.  It focuses our attention on the significance of the events rather than the order of the events, and it gives us a chance to understand the characters before we judge them.  We would be less likely to sympathize with Miss Emily had we known she was a necrophiliac from the beginning of the story.  We also might have acted like the electorate had we known that John Wade took part in the My Lai massacre.

 

O’Brien’s method is more complex than Faulkner’s, however. The main plot is told in chronological order, but it is interrupted by chapters that provide background information, evidence, and hypotheses.  These chapters, which may seem confusing at first, help us to see the events of the main plot in greater depth and from different perspectives.  Each piece of evidence is a story in itself; each hypothesis an explanation of the story.  Eventually, we may find that all the pieces of the story are interconnected, or we may find that the pieces of the story work more like a kaleidoscope so that each time we examine the story, the pieces fit together differently to form a new picture. Ultimately, how we view the plot will influence how we view the theme. 

Character

Theme is also directly related to the main characters, Kathy and John.   Their relationship is at the center of the novel.  It is important to note, however, that O’Brien develops John more fully, and he also devotes more time to John and Kathy’s relationship than he does to Kathy’s character.  Much of the information in the “Evidence” chapters relates to John rather than Kathy.  In addition, much of the information in the supporting plots has to do with John’s childhood and Viet-Nam service.  Kathy’s character is developed in the main plot, the chapters dealing with their relationship, and in the “Hypothesis” chapters.  The narrator also looks more deeply into John’s mind than into Kathy’s. 

 

John is an extremely complex character.  The death of his father, his love of magic, his relationship with Kathy, his Viet-Nam service, and his political career are all interconnected.  The novel begins by focusing on Kathy and John’s relationship.  John’s loss in the primary has had a devastating affect of their relationship.  They try bravely to pretend that their relationship is the most important thing, but it is clear that their dreams, especially John’s dreams, have been destroyed.  The third chapter, “The Nature of Loss” focuses on the death of John’s father.  “At the funeral he wanted to kill everybody…” including his father. John would also pretend that his father was not dead, or he would invent elaborate stories about how he saved his father.  This chapter establishes a pattern of behavior that John uses to cope with loss.  His need for love, his love of magic, his love for Kathy, his need to change the world though politics, the murder of innocent civilians at My Lai, his post traumatic stress disorder are all intensified by the death of his father.

 

Kathy’s character is not developed as extensively as John’s.  Although a number of characters in the book see John as a mysterious character, Kathy may be the most mysterious character in the novel.  We know that John’s love for Kathy is motivated in part by his deep need for love.  His behavior toward her, however, is strange.  He spies on her, following her around campus all times of the day and night.  When he returns from Viet-Nam, he does not go directly to her, but spies on her, only to discover that she has spent the night with someone else.  His behavior can be understood in terms of his need for control.  Her behavior, however, is not as easy to explain.  She knows that he follows her but is flattered by it on some level. She fears him, as she explains in her letters to him in Viet-Nam.  She apparently had affairs with other people while he was away, and she has an affair with a dentist while they are married.  O’Brien, however, does not provide any background information to explain her behavior.  It is only possible to speculate that she is attracted and repelled by his dual nature much like many of the other characters in the story. 

 

Kathy and John’s relationship is central to the novel.  Like the two characters, their relationship is complex.  They seem to love each other, but there is much that is hidden and mysterious about their relationship.  John, for example, hides his experiences in Viet-Nam from her, a fact that leads to his defeat in the Senate primary and the end of their relationship.  There is much in their relationship that is based on self-interest rather than mutual love and respect.  John requires that Kathy sacrifice her dreams for his political career.  Kathy seems to have no say in the matter, but it is clear that she regrets not having had children and that she blames John.  John’s loss in the primary causes the marriage to unravel, an indication that the marriage was in trouble long before the primary.  

 

The reasons why John and Kathy’s relationship disintegrates and ends in tragedy also contribute to the theme.

Setting

The Lake of the Woods is the primary setting for the novel.  But, novels like the drama and film may use a number of settings that relate in various ways to the main setting.  The Lake of the Woods seems like an ideal place for John and Kathy to rest and recuperate the primary.  However, the setting underscores their isolation and loneliness.  In the first paragraph of the novel, the Lake of the Woods is described as being on the outer edge of civilization:

 

“There were many trees, mostly pine and birch, and there was the dock and the boat house and the narrow dirt road that came through the forest and ended in polished gray rocks at the shore below the cottage. Then there were no roads at all.  There were no towns and no people.  Beyond the dock the big lake opened northward into Canada, where the water was everything, vast and very cold, and where there were secret channels and portages and bays and tangled forests and islands without names.  Everywhere, for many thousand square miles, the wilderness was all one thing, like a great curving mirror, infinitely blue and beautiful and always the same.” (1)

 

John and Kathy needed the beauty and solitude of the lake, but the lake is as dangerous as it is beautiful.  It is a place where they can also become so lost that no one can find them.

 

Part of the novel takes place in Viet Nam,  which to John and his fellow soldiers was a maze of jungle, rice fields, and villages fraught with hidden dangers: Viet Cong, mines, booby traps, and villagers who could appear friendly during the day but support the Viet Cong at night.  It is a place where magic, luck, and superstition replace rational thought, a place where John Wade becomes the Sorcerer. When John shoots PFC Weatherby, he is standing waist deep in slime at the bottom of an irrigation ditch.  In this setting, the line between right and wrong is obscured.  John becomes disoriented and loses his way.

 

The lake and Viet Nam are contrasted with more “civilized” settings: the University of Minnesota campus, Minneapolis-St. Paul, and Las Vegas.  These settings lack the wild beauty of the lake and Viet Nam, but they provide an element of safety.  The choices John and Kathy have to make about their lives may be difficult, but the line between right and wrong is clear.  Society provides a structure of laws and values. 

 

There are numerous parallels and contrasts between the various settings.  For example, the nightmare world John inhabits as a result of post traumatic stress syndrome turns the cottage into a “Viet Nam.”  We know that he pours boiling water on house plants connecting them to the Vietnamese jungle, and he may have killed Kathy by pouring boiling water over her as well.  These connections, like the connections between the events, also help us focus on the main and supporting themes.

Point of View

The point of view in the novel is complex.  At times the narrator tells the story from the third-person omniscient point of view, at times he simply presents a list of evidence, and at times he presents his own speculation about what might have happened.  Trying to analyze what this approach might mean, especially in terms of the theme is difficult, but O’Brien explains who the narrator is in a footnote at the end of Chapter 6:

 

“Yes, and I am a theory man too. Biographer, historian, medium – call me what you want – but even after four years of hard labor I’m left with little more than supposition and possibility.  John Wade was a magician; he did not give away many tricks.  Moreover, there are certain mysteries that weave through life itself, human motive and human desire.  Even much of what might appear to be fact in this narrative – action, word, thought – must ultimately be viewed as a diligent but still imaginative reconstruction of events.  I have tried, of course, to be faithful to the evidence.  Yet evidence is not truth.  It is only evident.  In any case, Kathy Wade is forever missing, and if you require solutions, you will have to look beyond these pages.  Or read a different book. (30)

 

O’Brien also tells us at the beginning of the book that there are references to real people, places, and events, but Kathy and John Wade are fictional as are all the characters in Minnesota and Angle Inlet.  The narrator, then is a biographer, historian, and medium,  a character that blends fact and fiction trying to arrive at a truth that lies beyond what is evident.  That truth has something to do with the fact that he can only suggest possible outcomes rather than solve the mysteries he presents. He tells us that if we are not happy with this outcome, we should go read another book.

 

The fact that the narrator gives us different kinds of information both from his own perspective and from other perspectives forces us to view the story in very different ways.  A less complex narrator may have made John Wade into a sympathetic character or a villain.  Lt. Calley, the leader of “Charlie” Company and the only person ever jailed for the My Lai massacre, was considered a hero by many Americans at the time, including President Nixon. Ironically, Ron Ridenhour and Hugh Thompson were demonized by the government for reporting the massacre.  The narrator, however, sees John and Kathy Wade as tragic figures, people with complex motives and desires.  He believes that we can only go so far in understanding them and that that process can only be accomplished by a “diligent but still imaginative reconstruction of events.”  This is not a typical mystery in which the detective struggles with a seemingly impossible set of clues but ultimately finds the murderer.  This is a mystery that has no solution.

 

So, why does the narrator tell the story?  Why does he tell it by piecing together fragments of narrative, evidence, and speculation, sometimes with no apparent connection?  What is it that he focuses our attention on?  Does he make a single point, or are there a number of related themes? 

Language

O’Brien uses a number of recurring images (literary figures of speech) in the novel.  A good example is the pair of snakes John sees along the trail near Pinkville [My Lai], each snake eating the other’s tail.  The narrator describes it as a “bizarre circle of appetites” (61), but in a letter to Kathy, John wrote, “That’s how our love feels…like we’re swallowing each other up, except in a good way…”(61).  You may recognize this as a simile, a comparison using like or as. Although John intends the image to be positive, the image has negative possibilities.  Christians tend to associate snakes with evil, with Satan and the temptation of Eve in the Garden of Eden.  The speaker in “A Narrow Fellow in the Grass” is both fascinated and repelled by them, but never sees them “without a tighter breathing/ And a zero at the bone” (2).  The following conversation evokes some of the negative possibilities of the image:

 

“You know, maybe I’m way off,” she’d say, “but I get this creepy feeling like you’re always there. Always worming

around inside me.” John would smile his candidate’s smile. “Very true.  Not worming, though, snaking.” (72)

 

In Chapter 10, we learn that the nature of their relationship is both positive and negative.  They love and support each other, but there is much unspoken between them.  Despite the warning signs – John’s screams in the middle of the night indicate that he is suffering from post traumatic stress syndrome – neither is able to face the underlying problems in their relationship. “It was in the nature of their love that Kathy did not insist that he see a psychiatrist, and that John did not feel the need to seek help” (75).  They do eventually devour each other like the snakes.  It is interesting to note that all of possible outcomes of the story posed by the narrator are tragic.

 

There are many other recurring images in the novel, but the most predominant are those which deal with magic.  There are the mirrors in John’s head, his nickname, Sorcerer, tricks of various kinds, transformations, secrets, trap doors, charms, and ghosts.  Magic for John is a way to gain control of and manipulate reality, but it is also a way to make things disappear, to hide them, and to pretend they don’t exist.  He can gain control over his father with the “Guillotine of Death,” and he can also make PFC Weatherby and Thuan Yen disappear.  John is like the stage magician in The Glass Menagerie who gives us illusion in the form of truth.  He represses the traumatic experiences of his life in order to make them disappear, but his father, Thuan Yen and PFC Weatherby are still there and continue to reappear.  John wakes from nightmares and screams, “Kill Jesus!” He “glides” through periods of time he does not remember.  He boils water and pours it over the house plants.  He may have murdered Kathy by pouring boiling water over her.  In the end, John performs the ultimate disappearing act:

 

“Kath,” he’d say, peering down at her, “Kath, my Kath,” the palm of his hand poised above her lips as if to control the miracle of her breathing.  In the dark, sometimes, he would see a vanishing village.  He would see PFC Weatherby, and his father’s white casket, and a little boy trying to manipulate the world.  Other times he would see himself performing the ultimate vanishing act. A grand finale, a curtain closer.  He did not know the technique yet, or the hidden mechanism, but in his mind’s eye he could see a man and a woman swallowing each other up like that pair of snakes along the trail near Pinkville, first the tails, then the heads, then both of them finally disappearing inside each other forever.  Not a footprint, not a single clue.  Purely gone – the trick of his life.  The burdens of secrecy would be lifted.  Memory would be null.  They would live in perfect knowledge, all things visible, all things invisible, no wires or strings, just that large dark world where one plus one will always come to zero.” (76)

 

In this passage O’Brien brings the recurring images together with a number of the supporting themes.  A careful examination of these images points us toward the main theme. Why does “one plus one always come to zero” in John and Kathy’s world?”  The interview below may provide some clues.

 

Supplementary Materials

Interview with Tim O’Brien from Facing My Lai: Moving Beyond the Massacre

 

In the Lake of the Woods probes directly into the My Lai massacre.  Here he [O’Brien] argues forcibly that the individual American officers and enlisted men who participated in the My Lai murders remain today legally accountable and unpunished for their crimes.  Why they did what they did, he says, is a mystery.

 

As it was twenty-five years ago, the subject of My Lai is still confusing.  It’s full of tensions and full of differing opinions and differing interpretations.  Some of the bitterness is still there.  It’s as overwhelming now as it was then.  The only area of  possible consensus is that the massacre actually happened.  Twenty-five years ago, there were a lot of people saying that it just didn’t happen.  As far as I can tell, there hasn’t been a lot of progress.

 

My Lai is a symbol of genocide or of atrocity. That's fine, but as a fiction writer I thought that in writing In the Lake of the Woods I would try to par­ticularize it. I made up a lot, which you have to do, and I invented a lot. Despite all the invention and all the making up, you hope that in a novel there's a gut-turning feeling, a sense of presence or immediacy that's hard to get at through nonfiction, when you have to go by what we know factu­ally. When you're writing about any subject, fiction doesn't depend on what really happened in the world. It depends on what happens in the heart, in the gut, in the spirits of people. I hope that my passages of descriptive writ­ing about My Lai get to the heart and get to the gut of readers through make-believe and through invention.

 

Question: In The Things They Carried, you describe something your narra­tor, if not you, did to the man who didn't take care of a wound. It seems to be a smaller version of crossing a line that you or the narrator should not have crossed. You say, "I was Nam—the horror, the war" [235].

 

O'Brien

That's the truth. That's all of us, civilians and soldiers; the gender doesn't matter. In all of us, I think there are seeds of evil, seeds of sin, the potential for it. Everything I've ever written about in my life, whether it's about Viet­nam or not, has to do with whether those seeds are going to grow or not. If they do grow, what's going to happen to the human being in which they're growing? In my own life, partly in Vietnam and partly outside of Vietnam, I've done bad things and done them for reasons at the time I thought were right. I wish I hadn't done them.

 

When you're telling stories about a war or particularly about My Lai, what you're trying to get at ultimately is to reach through the book and grab the reader by the throat and pull him into the novel and say this could happen to you. This could happen to you, Miss Jones in Sioux City, Iowa; and this could happen to you, Clem down in Arkansas; and this could happen to you. We all have a capacity for evil, to commit it, no matter whether you're a Mormon or a Muslim fundamentalist or a Methodist. If the situation is extreme enough, if the heart is under enough pressure, if you need to be loved badly enough, if you've watched enough death, you could be in these very shoes I'm in now. It's not a foreign experience.

 

Question: Did the peculiar nature of the Vietnam War cause the line at My Lai to be hazy for these guys?

 

O’Brien

In part, yes. Vietnam was a war that was essentially purposeless and aim­less. I mean that in a literal sense. There was nothing to aim at physically, nothing to shoot. Ninety percent of the casualties that we took in my unit, which operated in the My Lai area, were from land mines. How do you kill a land mine? How do you shoot back at it? You can't. It's inanimate. It's already dead. If you have ten or eleven guys die in the course of a month, where the ground itself seems to be killing you, you begin to feel a sense of frustration and a sense of rage that intermix until your blood starts to sizzle. That's probably what happened to Charlie Company that day. Something began to sizzle in their blood. It exploded.

 

Question: Some people have said that the villagers were mysterious, didn't seem to pick a side, and somehow could avoid the mines, and that on occa­sion little kids or women would be booby-trapped and used as weapons. Does that in any way explain what happened in My Lai, where the soldiers may have made the villagers into the enemy?

 

O’Brien

The villagers probably were made psychologically into the enemy, but I never saw any kids carrying hand grenades and stuff like that. It was a big myth that was taught to us in boot camp. It was a bunch of bullshit—women with razor blades in their vaginas and all kinds of absolute bullshit. There were no mitigating circumstances. It was mass murder. If Paul Meadlo or Charles Hutto or Max Hutson or any of those guys were to go up and blow someone away right now—fire a round into his stomach—you would put him in jail. If he did it to twenty-five more people, and if he shot someone's head off and shot him in the balls and decapitated him, you would probably have him in jail. If you're in Georgia, you would put him in the electric chair. Well, what happened to the guys at My Lai? One guy goes to prison for four and a half months. Now, how many other people there admitted on camera to shooting twenty-five people and weren't even prosecuted? What about those of us who went through exactly what Charlie Company went through? I went through exactly what they went through in the same place, and we weren't killing babies.

 

I experienced the same frustrations, but I didn't cross that line. There is an axiological line, a line between rage and frustration on the one hand and murder on the other. Although I experienced exactly what those people experienced in the same place, we didn't cross the line. The question then becomes why. Why did those people cross the line? Why didn't we cross the line? That's the abiding mystery. That's what is so frustrating and why everyone is so confused. The mystery is why did these guys do it and not the others. That's the mystery of evil that Joseph Conrad writes about in Heart of Darkness. No one knows what makes the blood sizzle to the point of pulling that trigger and watching those guts explode. It's a mystery that's going to remain a mystery.

 

Ron Ridenhour's* and Hugh Thompson's** heroism is a mystery, too. One wonders if, on another day, Thompson might not have landed. Or if, on another day, the guys in Charlie Company wouldn't have begun pulling those triggers. Maybe it was something in the temperature. Maybe it was that first burst of gunfire, and someone else shot. If that second person hadn't been nearby, the second person wouldn't have shot. All those variables are so mysterious and so beyond us now as to be utterly inexplicable.

 

I just finished reading a book by Gary Gilmore’s brother Michael Gilmore. He grew up in the same family as Gary Gilmore.*** Michael Gilmore turned out to be a writer for Rolling Stone, although both brothers grew up in the same family and experienced pretty much the same stuff.

 

What would have happened to Ron Ridenhour if he had been sent to Charlie Company and had been there that day? Those are the things that are utterly inexplicable. There is a certain frustration and a tension because you cannot explain the inexplicable. It makes me go out and want to smoke cigarettes because I've resigned myself to the knowledge that evil is one of these things that is almost like crankcase oil. It seeps into your veins, it's there for awhile, and then it seeps away. If you try to define it, you're trying to do what the disciples did who wrote the Gospels in the Bible. There are certain things in the world that are mysterious. What happened at My Lai that day in the souls oh those people is a mystery, just as it was a mystery at Lidice [Czechoslovakia, 1942], at Little Big Horn, and in Bosnia.

 

Calley**** was only one of many people who committed murder that day, but he wasn't a scapegoat. He should be in jail for the rest of his life. How can he be a scapegoat if he confessed to shooting women and kids and babies and old men? How can he be a scapegoat, since he did it? Scapegoats don't do anything. He is literally not a scapegoat. Language has to mean some­thing. It's like calling you a murderer. You say you didn't murder anybody, and I say I didn't mean you actually murdered anybody. Words have to mean something. Scapegoat means someone who didn't do anything but who is being falsely accused of doing it. I disagree with those who try to somehow build up a wall between Calley, Calley's acts, and Calley's murders on the one hand, and those people above and beneath him on the other. He was guilty of murder; he ought to be in jail, but so should a lot of other people.

 

Some people say Calley was an incompetent officer, but incompetence is no excuse, nor is IQ. Nothing is an excuse for murder. That was murder. It seems to me commonsensical. A man pulled the trigger on a gun. He ad­mitted doing it and that he killed babies and shot them in the head. He is guilty of murder. That's not to say that other people shouldn't be prosecuted, too. They should have been. Hutson, Hutto, Meadlo, Gary Roschevitz, Floyd Wright, Varnado Simpson*****—those people should be in jail. They should be in jail. Why aren't they?

 

The question about people up the line has bugged me. There are two issues. One issue has to do with the cover-up. That's one kind of crime. Another crime is murder. Both are crimes, but there is a tendency for some strange reason to want to turn attention to Koster and to Henderson and to Barker—the guys in the helicopters in this little chain of command. I'm not here to pronounce judgment on anyone whose acts I'm not aware of, but I am here to pronounce judgment on those who I know confessed to murder. We're talking about confessed murderers.

 

Question: Was it your experience that the war was compartmentalized and run by lieutenants?

 

O'Brien

I'm talking about the guys on the ground who were pulling triggers. PFCs, sergeants, and spec, fours were killing people. Calley wasn't always around these guys. They were doing it on their own in different places. He wasn't directing a murder. There were also murders happening off in the adjacent hamlet. These were people like me, PFCs and spec, fours committing murder. Galley, the lieutenant, was a murderer, but so were the other people. They should be in jail. I don't see how one can feel anything else but that.

 

Question: If Hugh Thompson could see what was going on there, those guys in higher authority could see it from their helicopters, too.

 

O'Brien

I'm not saying they aren't culpable. They are culpable of not stopping it. They are culpable of covering up. They are culpable of various felonies. They should be tracked down and prosecuted like any war criminal, but that doesn't mitigate or take away from the crimes being committed on the ground by the people pulling the triggers. They are all guilty, but the people on the ground are guilty of shooting babies in the face. Henderson is guilty of al­lowing it to happen. If he in fact knew about it and didn't stop it, he is guilty of dereliction of duty, I suppose, and also of moral crime. There are all kinds of crimes having to do with covering it up, which are felonies too, but to me the most important issue has finally got to be what's being covered up. A bunch of people committed murder, 504 murders, on a terrible March Sat­urday morning in 1968. We know who they are. They've confessed, many of them. The evidence is overwhelming, and not a damn thing happened to most of them.

 

Question: You say it's a mystery, but isn't part of the answer politics?

 

O'Brien

I don't give a shit what the justification is. I'm sure that part of it is poli­tics, but who cares? They committed murder. If I were a prosecutor, I'd try to find some way to bring these people to account for murder. Adolph Eichmann was tracked down years and years later and sentenced to death.

 

Question: Is there any way for America to begin to heal these wounds?

 

O'Brien

I don't think that the wounds should be healed. We live in this weird cul­ture where we think everything can be helped and healed, even if somebody goes out and shoots someone, I think that we've healed the wounds too well, if anything. The country has obliterated the horror that was Vietnam. To the Vietnamese people who lost whole families or lost legs and arms, we've healed it too damn well. We've obliterated it from the national conscious­ness, just as we obliterated what happened to the American Indians. My Lai now is just a footnote in a history of a war that is also a kind of footnote. A thousand years from now, Vietnam will be like the Battle of Hastings or Thermopylae, and My Lai will be a word that will cause people to scratch their heads. Maybe it will be forgotten entirely. My job as a writer is to create stories that can last, if they are well told. Homer gave us what we have of the Trojan Wars, and Stephen Crane gave us a lot of what we have of the Civil War. Stories are a way to somehow keep memory alive, to keep pick­ing at the scab.

 

Question: Was the body count a contributing factor in all of this, as a prob­lem of the war and at My Lai?

 

O’Brien

Bodies are counted when they are shot, and so you call in three dead VC. That does nothing to explain what happened at My Lai that day. It's abso­lute nonsense. Seven-thirty in the morning a company of soldiers arrived in this village and for four hours systematically killed 504 people. Three weap­ons, I believe, were found off in the outlying areas. There was no enemy incoming fire; they just killed civilians. They put them in a pile and shot them to death. What has body count got to do with that? Nothing. It doesn't motivate a soldier on the ground. It had nothing to do with it.

 

Question: But the argument goes that a villager body equals a VC body.

 

O'Brien

I know that's how the argument goes. I'm saying the argument is untrue. They shot innocent people. It's a mystery. That's why you're asking me the questions. Read Michael Bilton and Kevin Sim, Four Hours in My Lai, and read the testimony of some of the guys who actually did it. I'm thinking of Fred Widmer. He's like me, and he was there. "I don't know what happened. I can't explain it. I look back twenty-some years. How could I have done this? That wasn't me." These are his words, more or less. It's a mystery to him. In the same way it's a mystery to a lot of people when they leave a cocktail party after having somehow said something very stupid and embar­rassing. They jerk awake in the middle of the night, saying, "How could I have done such a stupid, silly thing?" Our behaviors are not always planned, and they are not always explicable, even to us. Evil is a mysterious thing. It's a mystery even to this day. If I could get into Calley's skin or the skin of Paul Meadlo or the skin of Varnado Simpson, I think I would be saying: "How could I have done it? What happened to me that day?" I think the answer would be, "I don't know. I don't know. I don't know."

 

*Ron Ridenhour’s letter of March 29, 1969 to Congressman Morris Udall, President Richard Nixon, Secretary of Defense Melvin Laird, and other congressional leaders lead to the investigation of the My Lai Massacre.  Until this point, the Army had covered up the incident.

**Hugh Thompson was a helicopter pilot who witnessed the My Lai massacre while it was in progress.  At one point he landed and threatened to fire on American soldiers if they did not stop killing civilians. Thompson rescued a number of civilians, but his report to his commanding officer was ignored.

***A convicted murderer who was killed by a Utah firing squad in 1977 after refusing all efforts to delay the execution.

****Leader of Charlie Company. Lt. William Calley was convicted for his role in the My Lai Massacre and spent 4 months in Federal Prison.

*****Members of Charlie Company who participated in the My Lai Massacre

Links

 

Background History of the Viet Nam War

 

The My Lai Massacre

 

My Lai Courts-Martial Information

 

Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome

 

Corintians I, Chapter 13.

 

 

Works Cited

 

Facing My Lai: Moving Beyond the Massacre. Ed. Frank Anderson. Lawrence, Kansas: University of Kansas Press. 1996. 171-179.

 

Meyer, Michael.  The Bedford Introduction to Literature.  6th ed.  Ed. Michael Meyer.  New York: Bedford/St. Martin’s. 2002. 246.

 

O’Brien, Tim.  In the Lake of the Woods. New York: Penguin Books. 1994. 1-303.

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