Re: [pf] Binary thinking and methods of sustainability

· I put this together during several hours yesterday (Tuesday) afternoon,
then when I had access to our IHUG account this morning, sent it. Before
hearing about the WTC/Pentagon attacks.

· It seems callous to me to talk about philosophy at a time like this, when
99.9% of PF members are Americans.

· So I'll just remind you that I personally don't hold much hope for a
positive future {"some outside coercion, like a legal system (with its
implicit use of force as a last resort), [is] the only way to get enough
human activities changed soon enough to save the earth's ecology": I prefer
the chaos of democracy to that, but democracy won't work fast enough}, so
since my own life is the only thing I have any control over, that is what I
do. Run my own life in a sustainable way, and hope-like-hell that enough
others will do something similar.

David Mac.

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>David M wrote {at:
http://csf.colorado.edu/mail/pfvs/2001III/msg01251.html } :-
>· I've been checking through some old e-mails of mine ... from June 1999
when Eric Storm and I contributed regularly to the Deep Ecology list.
> ..
>**  This discussion ... seems to be leading towards some sort of overall
direction, benevolent dictatorship, ...
>**  Also, there's an assumption, by adherents to most beliefs, that you
just have to present 'the benighted' with reasons to believe, in a
sufficiently persuasive manner, ...
>**  ... the unlikelihood that the 'ordinary man in the street' will see
deep ecology, or voluntary simplicity, or islam or christianity or
whatever, as life- and goal-changing _for_them_. Leaving some outside
coercion, like a legal system (with its implicit use of force as a last
resort), as the only way to get enough human activities changed soon enough
to save the earth's ecology.
>**  Methods _are_ important as well as aims; so what methods might work?
>
At 12:21 11/9/2001 -0500, Jill wrote:
>David,
>    I am a bit confused about your views, and am curious about what I am
not understanding.  I had thought that in earlier discussions that you were
touting individual example as a way to bring about change, and were
disapproving of "political" solutions.  Have I got it wrong?  What am I
missing?
>
>    This question about methods that you raised is a very important one,
and one that I am taken up with. ... strong democracy is advocated as the
only "method" that is flexible enough to deal with the changing reality of
sustainability.
>
>                                    Jill
>

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