Re: [pf] "Civilization". Civility.

>David MacClement wrote:
>> · To me, this change from a childish "Me First!" to a society-required
consideration for others, is a mark of maturity. A criterion to be achieved
before someone should be allowed to enter society as the equal of everyone
else.
>
At 20:21 15/5/2001 -0400, Molly Williams wrote:
>I believe people have been "Me First" for centuries in many cultures. The
Bible, for instance, speaks a lot about the need to "do unto others," to
"love thy neighbour as thyself," etc., indicating that when the Bible was
written, putting oneself first and doing ill unto others was an issue as well.
>

· Molly, I see what you say as reinforcing and extending my point. My:
"society-required consideration for others, ...a criterion to be achieved
before someone should be allowed to enter society as the equal of everyone
else" is a goal, reached by some, nearly reached by most (everyone on
occasion fails to come up to their own standards), but not accepted (or
continually missed) by a minority; these are the ones that constantly have
to be pressured by their peers, and preached-at by ethical and religious
leaders (you give an example).

· In terms of Civilization and civility, perhaps what you and I are saying
is that the proportion of the populace in that problem category may
(perhaps) be one measure of Civilization - the fewer the better.
  (assuming Civilization is a good thing.)

David.
(David MacClement) davd@ihug.co.nz 
http://www.geocities.com/davd.geo/index.html#top
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