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[pf] risks of living cheaply in the country.
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[pf] risks of living cheaply in the country.
by David MacClement
19 June 2001 03:40 UTC
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At 13:48 19/6/2001 +1200, I wrote:
>· Respect for people living with little money; making other things top
>priority. ...
>not scared of being outside the current money-and-jobs focussed system.

· I was looking for a post of tully's, saying what kind of lighting she was
planning (a) for her house-truck, or (b) if she went back to the N-W
Indians' way of living.

· Below is why I was concerned about city-slickers' reliance on candles,
but in the search I found tully's great description of her Olympic
Peninsula holiday, which would do anyone good to re-read, especially if
feeling down, about the "impossibility" of living on much less money. She
lived with people who were not money-focussed. Tully's "My vacation (long)"
post is:

http://csf.colorado.edu/mail/pfvs/2000/msg06049.html


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At 12:20 19/6/2001 +1200, someone on the GV-NZ list in northern NZ wrote,
with Subject: [GV]Fires in the North

Hi everybody,
The deaths by fire up here are not particularly associated with poor
housing but associated with the use of exposed flames without strongly
enforced codes, such as not leaving children in control of naked flames
such as candles, and smokers coming home from a party being careless with
their butts [probably].

The fire four years ago that killed three children was in an area without
electrical supply. The building was not particularly flash but probably did
not contribute to the cause of the  the fire. The eldest person was a
school age boy and the cause of the fire was probably a candle.

The Herekino fire that killed children a few weeks ago was in an old but
not particularly flimsy house , which was wired for electricity but had not
been connected by its latest tenants, probably because of the initial costs
involved.
The eldest person was a schoolboy and the cause of the fire was probably a
candle.

The most recent fire causing the death of a man at the weekend , involved a
house that was fifty years old and in quite sturdy condition but never been
connected to electricity, by the choice of the owners. The only person
involved was a man who had been at another address socialising until a few
hours previously.

The most likely cause of the fire was a neglected flame or cigarette, after
the man had fallen asleep.

I think a concern about the use of candles and other naked flames is
justified. Modern families do not seem to have the strict codes toward the
use of candles that an earlier generation practised.

One of the problems of refugees from the city 'living rough' in rural areas
is the lack of knowledge and skills in such areas as fire lighting,
precautions with fire (such as always lighting lanterns out on the porch),
etc.

I think the desire to be independent of the electricity system is quite
strong in this part of the country, but the desire for independence from
the cash system is not always balanced with the knowhow required.

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sent-on by David.
(David MacClement) davd@ihug.co.nz 
http://www.geocities.com/davd.geo/index.html#top
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