[pf] From DM, incl. Re: why is certain text serial numbered?

· First I should say that I'm gradually losing interest in PF.

· I'm interested in philosophising about living sustainably, which is close
to discussing voluntary simplicity, the original focus of this list, and
what IMO brought people able to think things out for themselves, to post here.

· Before the culture-change in the USA exemplified by GW Bush, I believed
there was a largish minority, ~8% to over 20%, of people who were really
interested in making significant changes in their own lives, their families
lives, their community life, and hopefully their state's life and even
(sometime in the future) their nation's life.
  Those numbers (8, 20) came from my watching the demonstrations, "riots",
and other signs of ferment that told me that democracy was alive and well,
told me that the rich bosses hadn't yet taken over.

· However
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0205/kaplan.php has:
“.. many of the global justice movement's more mainstream players have
decided to lie low. ... So the anarchists and direct action types like
Warcry have been left to lead the charge”

· and Tom's re-post:
http://csf.colorado.edu/mail/pfvs/2002I/msg00382.html of Jaggi Singh's
Rabble.com article has:
  “Consistent with their strategy of "reflection" after September 11, most
reform-minded unions and NGOs are opting out of a major street-level
mobilization against the WEF ... That means the main street protest
organizers in New York belong to ... the Anti-Capitalist Convergence(ACC).”

· After those, NZ radio news in the last day or two* said something about
there being almost no demonstrations rejecting the WEF's agenda, in New
York. {* I originally started this e-mail 2 days ago.}

· So my interest, in discussing what's possible, in living sustainably,
seems to have disappeared off the radar-screens of most in the USA. As
illustrated by almost all posts now; Jill being an honourable exception
(plus a tiny number of others, like Julia, tully, Gregg and the two Dons).

· I still subscribe to the Digest (via my thames.net.nz account, which I
check only once or twice a week), but I am cancelling my subscription to
the post-by-post version - my ihug.co.nz account.

· Anyone wishing to see what I've written to PF can browse (2002 back):
http://www.geocities.com/davd.geo/0dds-and-ends/PosFutArchive-David02Q1.html
http://www.geocities.com/davd.geo/0dds-and-ends/PosFutArchive-David01Q4.html
http://www.geocities.com/davd.geo/0dds-and-ends/PosFutArchive-David01Q3.html
http://www.geocities.com/davd.geo/0dds-and-ends/PosFutArchive-David01Q2.html
http://www.geocities.com/davd.geo/0dds-and-ends/PosFutArchive-David01Q1.html
http://www.geocities.com/davd.geo/0dds-and-ends/PosFutArchive-David.html

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At 21:31 30/1/2002 -0500, tully wrote {at:
http://csf.colorado.edu/mail/pfvs/2002I/msg00377.html } :-
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Kaleopono, I'm intrigued by this observation of yours.  Neither of the
messages of mine you pointed to had those serial numbers sent out.  Nor did
either message have serial numbers when they came back to me from the
PF-list.  I wonder if Bob Banner can verify the same for the message of his
you pointed to.  I'd very much like to know if other "offshore" recipients
are seeing such numbers.  David M, are you seeing them anywhere?  I guess
I'm being pretty transparent about what my thoughts are on this matter...

· No, I didn't get any PF posts with those square-bracketted numbers inserted.


[tully: ]
I'm still having email problems, that have only been happening for a little
over a week now.  I did get a new dialup number for access to mindspring
because the other number was disconnecting me and I was told it was because
it was busy (which I hadn't checked), but I don't see how that would affect
the mailserver which should not have been affected by any possible change
in gateway coming in.  But I am getting email come in where the headers
show that it left the sender many hours or even days before being recorded
by my mailserver as received for me.  And while that may be why I'm seeing
responses made to email that I've never seen before, it may not explain it
all and I may be missing some messages altogether.  Haven't verified that yet.

Kaleopono, I am sending this reply to both the list (CC) and to you
privately (To:) to see if that makes any difference with whether the serial
numbers show on both or only one or neither.

I'd be very interested in hearing anyone else's email oddity stories, even
if you think they are insignificant.  Feel free to email me privately if
you don't want to go public with it.  I think interceptions may well be
happening and if so, any little clues we could gather might help us
determine how, and maybe even where it is occurring.  Who needs computer
games when we got real life hacks we can play?  ;}
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· In the past (e.g. my:
http://csf.colorado.edu/mail/pfvs/2001III/msg01632.html ) I have said
things like: "[this] is mainly about e-mails {from (I think) certain
people} not arriving here." And tully responded on Sept. 26 {at:
http://csf.colorado.edu/mail/pfvs/2001III/msg01635.html } :-
  "David, there has been a lot of phone and general internet slowdowns real
bad here lately I've noticed.  Certain messages don't seem to be making it
to their destinations for days.  Both my phone lines are giving me trouble
at the moment with fast busy signals (unable to connect out of my area) and
I had trouble getting on here tonite.  Hope it's just the trunk lines are
enduring too heavy a usage and not something more diabolical..."

· Here's what I found {posted to PF on 9 October, at:
http://csf.colorado.edu/mail/pfvs/2001IV/msg00163.html } :-

of tully's 99 posts, only 65 have turned up here, and

of Tom Wheeler's 309 posts, only 200 have turned up.

· tully replied: {at:
http://csf.colorado.edu/mail/pfvs/2001IV/msg00164.html } :-

I (tully) get the following numbers:
Tom Wheeler  - 197
tully - 98
 ...
I apparently am getting my own email back, but I am very close to your
number for Tom's posts, which apparently means I am also losing Tom's
posts, like you are.

[David M: ]
· I have no idea whether the current square-bracketted numbers situation is
similar to that earlier one.

David.

David MacClement davd @ ihug.co.nz (remove spaces)
http://www.geocities.com/davd.geo/index.html#top
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