Re: [pf].. electric-car ... Hydrogen powered system

At 08:20 3/4/2001 +1200, Arnie wrote to the positive Futures list:

>In all this discussion my mind keeps going back (?) to the point: where is
  THE ELECTRIC POWER to put into the batteries coming from?  I wonder how
polluting the energy source is?  If it's hydro, then it isn't necessarily
polluting but the dams create other problems.  Consider the Calif. power
shortages and they're wanting power from Washington.  If the car owners in
Calif. were now charging their EVs with electric grid power, they would
want MUCH MORE power.  
>
>And in most parts of the country electricity is generated by polluting
means -- coal, oil, gas -- and even dangerous (nuclear) forms of energy.
Possible solutions create new challenges!
>
>AGAIN, we need to cut way back -- use foot and pedal power .. and of
course, sharing motor/engine vehicles WHEN THIS IS NEEDED -- and be CERTAIN
that they ARE NEEDED -- separate our needs from our wants.
>
>My nickle's worth :-)
>
>Arnie

[David Mac: ]
· Arnie's quite right about needing to cut back to the essentials, which
IMO are much less than half of what most North Americans consider necessary.

· However, there's a difference between hydrogen-fuelled fuel-cells
supplying electricity at the point where it's needed (e.g. in the house or
car), and current electricity uses, including battery electric cars
re-charged from electric grid power, which still depend on polluting fossil
fuels in most nations (not including Norway and New Zealand).

· I'm thinking of collecting together some posts yo the Wind Energy group
about Dr John Kuefel's 12 year experience producing Hydrogen by renewable
means, storing it in B-52 inner tubes (then weighted to provide pressure),
then burning it in adjusted jets in his stove burners. See:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/awea-wind-home/message/4410

· There's more at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/awea-wind-home/message/4406

· and after some e-mails sent privately to him complaining about his posts
not being suitable for a home wind energy list, he said:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/awea-wind-home/message/4425

· to which Hugh Piggott in Scotland replied:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/awea-wind-home/message/4428 which was:

From:  hugh piggott <hugh.piggott@e...>
Date:  Tue Apr 3, 2001 6:52am
Subject:  Re: [a-w-h] Another Lesson Learned

At 5:56 pm -0700 2/4/01, John Kuefel wrote:

>  I thought
>this knowledge would be worth sharing. I thought some
>might find it interesting. I thought someone may
>benefit from knowing how to live comfortably off the
>grid (yes, we can run the electric clothes dryer when
>the wind isn't blowing).

I for one am simply gob-smacked by your system John.  Nice work! 

It's hardly typical and it certainly isn't done the way I would set out to
do it, but in the end what matters is what works for you. 

Well done and thanks for sharing it with us.

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At 5:24 pm -0300 2/4/01, Pierre Masson wrote:
>
>The writer of the Code Corner column in HomePower magasine certainly
>recommends strongly the use of DC rated fuses ...
>Definitely worth reading those articles, as it is not as simple as it might
>seem initially. Some fine points need to be taken into consideration.
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There is some useful stuff in John Wiles' articles, but the main message I
get from them is 'hands off renewable energy - it's too complicated for
anyone but a trained electrician to attempt'.  In my experience, most
electricians have no clue about renewable energy. 
Don't let yourselves be intimidated by the code fanatics!  Take care, and
be safe, but trust your own creative abilities.

-- 
Hugh

Scoraig, Scotland
http://www.scoraigwind.co.uk

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