-#1:- At 07:01 AM 2003-05-05 +1200, I sent to the LessIsMore list {at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LessIsMore/message/9117 } :- --==##==-- At 01:56 PM 2003-05-04 +0100, Ann (in Dublin) wrote {at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LessIsMore/message/9109 } :- > Now that i have more time will start to try and understand the computer more. Used to be great at the old DOS in the past but then technology took off so fast i was left behind ... > · Knowing DOS is quite unusual, Ann; my sons (and daughter, very young then) got their first taste of BBSs by supplying modem script line by line in DOS (300 and 1200 bits/sec, compared with today's 57,600 bps and higher speeds). My earliest contact with computers was in 1959 on a Zenith (used for analysis of data from McMaster Uni's swimming-pool nuclear research reactor) - I fed data in (and a couple of years later was programming it) using 7-hole paper tape. > ... Am very interested in your diet David. > I went to a talk by a "frugivorous" who also did not cook food - he had no breakfast, four bananas and an avocado for lunch and heaps of greens with grated carrots and brocolli for dinner. > Did you work out that you were getting enough minerals and vitamins first, or did you just find out as you went along that as you were not ill and had plenty of energy that obviously your diet was healthy? > · With my intention to live on locally-grown vegetables, I chose the most mundane ones that I could count on getting year round, cabbage and carrots. For most of my life I have "lived poor"; I grew up actually poor in New Zealand (after moving here from Canada in 1946 at age 10): my mother kept us healthy on bread, milk, rice-or-potatoes and vegetables-from-our-own-garden (in Titirangi) including swiss-chard/silver-beet and carrots (my regular job was emptying the kitchen-scraps bucket into the compost pit that my grand-father had made). So I knew that one green and one yellow vegetable, some starch (either bread, potatoes or rice) and something like cheese, milk eggs or meat (which we had once or twice a week) would give us all our needs. > Also are you originally from New Zealand? I am only subscribing to the site less than a month and am not really familiar where everybody is from? > · "Where are you from?" always brings a wry smile to my face. Here it is: 1. Born in Cambridge; England: 1936-1939 (the beginning of WW-II) 2. Canada: 1939-1946; father in RCAF: N.S., & Ont.: MacClement family home 3. New Zealand: 1946-1959; Richardson (mother) family home 4. Canada: 1959-1968; electronic engineer, physics teacher; married 5. Ghana (W.Africa): 1968-70; taught secondary school, then university 6. Canada: 1970-1978; graduate school; two boys: London, girl: Ottawa 7. Nigeria: 1979 12 mth; contract (Carleton-Ottawa & Ahmadu Bello) lecturer 8. New Zealand: 1980-1987; letting our 3 kids put down roots here. 9. 1988: Malaysia, Wales, northern India (~6 months), Thailand; all 5 of us 10 New Zealand: 1989-2003; me here, wife occ.Wales, daughter China one year · Obviously I'm a Civis Mundi (citizen of the world). > A lot of New Zealanders come here - to coach rugby would you believe. In fact a lot of Irish go to NZ to play rugby in the winter as our different seasons allow this. I believe it is a beautiful country - in fact a voluntary simplicity advocate on another site from America who left there in the seventies on a Greenpeace ship and now lives in Denmark, has recommended New Zealand as the place to go and live, if people were thinking of emigrating. > · Absolutely correct. But it's hard to get in, now. When my wife and I had decided to leave southern Ontario (because in the 1970s there was nuclear war danger plus over-use of pesticides in the US states just across the Great Lakes from us), we looked closely at coastal British Columbia a bus-trip north of Vancouver, as a suitable place to bring up our children. But partly because of the excellent education system in NZ and the somewhat socialist attitudes here, we decided on New Zealand. It was also far enough away from a possible nuclear war to have a good chance of surviving it (John Wyndham's The Chrysalids, and Nevil Shute's On The Beach) It's also got a maritime climate, i.e. moderated by the great mass of the Pacific Ocean all around (and has the highest mountains in Australasia - lots of good scenery, see Lord of The Rings: filmed here). David. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -#2:- At 09:38 AM 2003-05-06 +1200, I sent {at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LessIsMore/message/9156 } :- --==##==-- At 09:35 AM 2003-05-01 +1200, I wrote {at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LessIsMore/message/9042 } :- >> >> · I have run this whole house on my personal solar-panel-batteries-inverter electric power supply system. >> At 11:08 PM 2003-05-01 -0000, Lis (binkbat) wrote {at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LessIsMore/message/9059 } :- > >----------------Congratulations David! That sounds like a very rewarding result. > · My original post was also sent to GreenViews-NZ; here's a different response: >On 2 May 2003 at 10:04, David MacClement wrote (to GV-NZ): >> >> · I've said many times that what I do isn't an example for most people. Things like going barefoot most of the time, eating only the same 10 items for years (my bread, cabbage, carrots and peanut butter diet), and using so little money (US$990/NZ$1,800 per _year_) that I don't need to work for pay >> > At 04:32 PM 2003-05-05 +1200, Alan Cave wrote: > >I'm interested to know why you have chosen such a limited diet as I would expect it to lead to malnourishment. What are the other items and how do you guard against (or do you suffer) malnutrition? > >Alan > · First "why you have chosen such a limited diet"; my purpose (in 1992) was to prove that a healthy older person _can_ live on extremely little money. · As Professor of Human Nutrition, John Birkbeck of Massey University told me (see copy of his letter in my: http://davd.tripod.com/dsmenu.html#Birkbeck ): "I assume the point that you are making is that a nutritionally adequate diet does not need to be expensive." · And, after giving the analysis of the essential nutrients in my diet: "Overall, then, it appears to be a monotonous and marginally adequate diet for an older adult man. However, your basic premise, which is that eating adequately does not need to be expensive, is accepted." · He analysed what I eat as I supplied it to him; the second part of: http://davd.tripod.com/MyDiet-inGrams.txt · Second "What are the other items?" As a menu, see the top of: http://davd.tripod.com/dsmenu.html The items are: Bread Weetbix Cabbage Carrots Peanuts; incl. peanutButter equiv. Butter Milk (note: 4.3% fat) Marmite Honey or Plum jam (homemade) Rolled Oats (For amounts see: http://davd.tripod.com/MyDiet-inGrams.txt ) · Finally "how do you guard against (or do you suffer) malnutrition?" · I have never been fitter or healthier (no illness for many years) than now and I can walk as fast with a _15kg_load_ on my back as my fairly fit 25yo daughter with no load. · The Professor tells me, and I can attest from my experience, that, with the right choice of food, you don't need much (variety and amount), to be healthy. · You _do_ need more if you're using a lot of energy, and you need more protein if you're making heavy use of your muscles. I eat an additional small amount (an egg, or 1/3 of a 420g/15oz. can of baked beans) when I carry my full 20kg/44lb. back-pack of coffee-table books for the daily one hour walk my wife and I take. David (save MyDiet-inGrams.txt onto hard-drive then open in word-processor)