--- BB <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hiya, Meatless

> You just kill me when you talk about how smart you
> are then say this, " For this would mean that I was
> write when I said you couldn't pass the G.E.D
> exam.". Haha, what a Brain Surgeon!! I think you
> made a Grammatical error in there somewhere...Doh.
> And I'm sorry, but I don't quite think you would
> pass the G.E.D either! Lmfao!!!!!

You found one spelling mistake and you're doing cartwheels. If I actually listed every spelling/grammatical error in your messages, I'd run out of room on my Goecities account. You even made a grammatical error in your correction of mine!! You capitalized the word "Grammatical".... Jeez... G. E. D, you wish... 

 

I'll make the rest of my message short because all you have to do is go back and read my previous messages to understand why these programs can NOT be used to cheat in click mode. 

 



> I like how you answered my missive with, and I
> quote, "Blah blah blah blah". The truth is 'I am'
> rubbing your face in the fact that this 'Macro
> Utility' does work for cheating the 'Classic Swing'
> in Links2003.


> Lets go beyond your double talk 'right' to the
> 'meat' of this conversation. Anyone who buys the
> full version of the product highlited here, CAN
> cheat the 'Classic Swing' in Links2003, period!


> Why do you deny it? You stated that you tried the
> 'Trial version'. So if you have no idea that the
> full version will or won't do, exactly 'how' can you
> make any assumptions at all? Because thats exactly
> what they are, assumptions. They are not based on
> fact, they are based on your narrow minded view. The
> 'Truth' is, you know this utility works for cheating
> the game, but because;
> one, you either already have been using this or
> something similar to cheat with. Or two, you don't
> use this, but you have to shoot it down cause you
> don't want the same doubt cast over your preferred
> swing type. Either way, it 'does' work! And your
> trying desperately to cover up the truth.

You're grasping onto straws again with this Trial Version stuff. Some shareware have features disabled while others are full-featured but are time-bombed, meaning they only work for a certain amount of days. I tried one that was time-bombed so that no features were disabled. When I saw what it could and could not do, I looked into it further as to why the timing could never be made precise and repeatable. That's when I found out about DirectX games getting their primary input from the DirectInput interface, NOT the same method that Windows applications do, which is what these macro utilities try to mimic.

 

Let's forget all the technical stuff for now and make this very simple. You say "Why do you deny it?". I say prove it to me. If you do, I'll put it front and center on my website and will personally bring it to everyone's attention in the Zone. You can pretend to be able to do it all you want but if you prove it to me, I will give you the password for my website for you to do what you want with it and it's contents. So bottom line is, either put up or shut up. You name the date and time to meet in the zone, you host a game, I'll be a spectator and I want you to show me a perfect 12-6 snap for all iron and wood shots. You do this and my site is yours...  I wont hold my breath waiting...



> And a very interesting theory you have on the PA. So
> your saying that anyone using the PA could never
> beat you? 

You really have a serious reading and comprehension problem, little Bad Boy. Here is what I said:

"On a separate topic all together, why would anyone want to use the Putting Assistant anyways. All it can do is get you close to the hole. That's only good enough to get a two-putt out of the hole and probably just par it. Who would want a two-putt/par as their main objective when they get on the green??"

 

I have no idea how you get this:

     "So your saying that anyone using the PA could never beat you"

from what I wrote??

 

> It's a damn good thing you will never play
> me Meat, cause with the PA. I miss nothing. And
> would Shred you quite easily. Unless you think -17
> at Rivendell on f/f/d/breezy is a weak score for
> someone so talented as yourself.
> Without it, I make half as many putts, but I'm
> getting better.

Well, I reiterated what I said for you to read again and nowhere in there was there any mention on how good I am compared to anyone else. The only one making those bold statements is you with your "Unless you think -17 at Rivendell on f/f/d/breezy is a weak score for someone so talented as yourself" comments. I merely said that the best I could see people getting out of the Putting Assistant is a two- putt because, in my experience, I could only get the ball close to the hole with the Putting Assistant. If people can use the Putting Assistant to make every putt and there is a way for a host to be able to use it while restricting others, then this is a BIG problem for ladders and tours. Personally, I don't play either of them so it doesn't really affect me in as big a way but I will keep an eye out for it now. 

 



> But who's to say that you don't use the PA cheat?
> You? You may have been using it all along, but of
> course anyone who cheats deny's it, right Meat?
> Of course I'm sure you have never engaged in any of
> those 'No PA' wars, right?
> Because why complain about something that only get
> you a par anyway?
> More double talk!

I think your mouth is getting in the way of your brain again. You're assumptions are so far fetched it's laughable. FYI, I stopped playing tours and ladders way BEFORE 2k3 was released. I only play friendly matches, mostly with a small group of friends in the Zone but will occasionally play with strangers if nobody is online. Lately (past 6 months or so), I haven't been playing at all. So I don't know how you get from my comments about the Putting Assistant to your remarks, but it's very funny. Seriously, did you ever ask yourself why would someone who plays as little as myself and exclusively in non-competitive games, would need to get into "'No PA' wars"???? What the hell are you talking about????

 



> And lets get one thing straight, I never attacked
> you, I responded to your Editorial on the Real Time
> Swindle(Your words) on your webpage. I'm quite sure
> that every person who has played with the RTS has
> been accused of cheating by a larger percentage of
> the Clickers he played and beat. I am also sure that
> any RTSer would find what you posted offensive. But
> you are entitled to your opinion, just as I am
> entitled to mine.

You are entitled to your opinion but you are wrong when you say "any RTSer would find what you posted offensive". Search for a thread in Links Corner about this and you will find RTSers that actually agree with my comments or at least see my point. Actually here is an email I received from an RTSer not too long ago. You might even know him:

 

"

Hi Dameatster,
Thank you for your website with all of its valuable information. I appreciate all of the hard work you've put into it.
 
I am an RTS swinger and can agree with you on some of your comments  on edgers. They are an insult to the game of golf. I agree with #1, about perfect shots to a point, but the clever edger will take a legitimate swing once in a while, usually when he is a couple of strokes ahead, or within 4 or 5 ft. from the pin, just so it looks like he's legitimate. But in general you find these edgers in the Pro or in some cases, Champ levels. If you play the Elite level there are few or no edgers. There are other factors that make it difficult enough so that edgers have a problem because they didn't learn the basics well enough and dont want to put in the effort. Now if you compare an RTS player (outside of the edgers)to a Classic player, even a Classic Elite player its pretty much an unfair match for the RTS player because we use no charts and cannot judge our swing percentages with a swing meter as they can. Even at that, we often tie or beat an average Classic player.
So i hope you can pass these thoughts along to others who visit your website. The object of the game is to have fun and enjoy the company of other Links golfers.
If you see my room in the Zone Ladder Room, the message I have in the info section is " if you use an edge I hope it gives you satisfaction. As for me, i'd rather loose knowing i did my best at playing the REAL rts."
Thanks,
 Ray  (pax248) 

"

 

The only people who attack me like you did are the ones who have reading and comprehension problems because they can not really understand what I actually wrote. And while I have you in a straightening kind of mood, this is what you said in your first email, in case you forgot:

 

"Then maybe people like you will just learn to STFU and play the game without all the Whining and name calling when your losing."

 

You referred to me directly and claimed that I whine and name-call when I lose (not to mention the capitalization error again). That's an attack, especially when you don't know me and have never played me and you start telling me what I should and shouldn't do. 

 

You also sign off with "Cya Soon MacroLoZer!!". No further comment needed.....

 



> This is the last letter I shall write in your
> direction, for you will never admit the truth.
> Cheaters never do!


> In closing I would bet that a large percentage of
> the readers of your website has already downloaded
> that Utility, and know what I have said here to be
> the truth(those that can figure it out). As I am
> sure that anyone who reads your website are well on
> their way to becoming #1 with it.

My offer stands, put up or shut up.... Name the date and time to meet n the Zone and demonstrate it to me. You don't have to tell me how you do it, just demonstrate it to me. You can blow all the hot air you want but no matter how many times you tap your ruby slippers or make a wish to your fairy godmother, it wont change the fact that you can NOT use these macro utilities to cheat in Links 2k3. There maybe other methods that people use, such as the old window mode cheat but not using the methods you are describing. 

 


> P.s. The moral of this little saga is, there are
> ways to cheat any game. If it bothers you so much
> you have to write about it on your webpage, maybe
> you should just do what I do. Use the game as a pass
> time and try and have some fun with it, as I am sure
> thats what it's designers intended.

Actually the moral of this saga is that some people can get so obsessed with something that it clouds their minds to the point where they can not make rational decisions anymore. The only known cheat that exists for Links 2k3 is the RTEdge swing. I'm not talking about RTSers, I'm talking about the people who use a straight edge to execute a swing in RTS mode. I agree that there are ways to cheat in any game but I can't comment on those, until I see them. If I see them or find proof of them, I WILL comment. The only other cheat I saw for myself was the window mode cheat in 2k1. This was back in the days when I actually played tours and I was furious that the tours were not suspended until it got fixed. I didn't want to waste my time competing while others cheated. This really turned me off the tours and then the poor effort by M$ in the 2k3 patch pretty much turned me off the game all together. It's been 9 months since I wrote the RTS bit on my site and about 6 since I played regularly. You are the only one taking this seriously, not me.... I told you this from the start. I really am having fun with this so you should try to practice what you preach... I wouldn't worry so much about me. Remember, you started this all.....

 

Meatster

 

 

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