>--- BB <[email protected]> wrote:
>These keyboard macro utilities have been around since
>windows 95 and prior even. This isn't something new to
>the links community.
**Of course not, since they are well known, they are probably well
used**

If anything like this was "well used" it would be well known because nothing can stay a secret in the links world. When the window mode cheat was discovered last year, everyone who played tours and in the zone knew about it in a matter of a few days and M$ had a patch for it with a few weeks. Keep reading though. I kinda hate to put an end to this discussion but you're theory is gonna tank by the end of this email after I DID my homework. 

>These are the programs that M$
>addressed this by altering the swing meter slightly on
>every click swing. I have repeat myself because you
>just don't get it do you? Even if it somehow found its
>way back into 2k3 (I wouldn't be surprised since the
>programmers on the 2k3 team are a bunch of idiots)
this would be a trivial thing for M$ to address by
>doing the same thing they did in the past which is to
>vary the timing of the click swing slightly.
**A slight variance in the swing meter would be a perfect camouflage
for the Macro Utility, because then the snap would be harder to spot, but
the minute change in timing wouldn't through off a persons shot that
much in Pro**

The swing meter speed was varied enough that is made it not worth using these. I'll give you a hint why your scheme is gonna end up where the Titantic is, Windows game in that era used the Windows API to handle input from the mouse... 

>There is
>absolutely nothing they can do to stop and RTEdger
>from cheating...
**But there is something you can do, you can write about it on your
webpage. Since there is no way to tell if someone is RTEdging, then
obviously you condemn all RTSers. **

That's a rather big leap of faith on your behalf. I see that you're putting a little more thought your argument but the effort is still a little lacking.. My whole bit on the web site is how to sniff out an RTEdger. I have nothing against RTSers. I just don't like cheaters. You may even think I don't like you and you need to swear at me but actually enjoy this man. I know there is a lot of type on my page but this is definitely there and one day when you finish Hooked-On-Phonics you might get to it: "I would suggest you give an RTS player one chance and if you see they are an RTEdger, just don't play with them anymore. It's fine to use RTS but RTEdging is just plain cheating.". 

I would actually write about it on my web page if I confirmed that it exists but as I will show you in a bit, your scheme just hit an iceberg and is taking on water... 

>
>
>>"My gut feeling is that it doesn't exist".
>>
>>So much for your "Gut Feeling".
>>
>>How too Program mouse clicks at different intervals
>>to create the perfect snap while using the "Classic"
>>Swing method in Links2003. Example 100% with perfect
>>snap would be wrote as a text shortcut ie; 100ps.
>>100% fade=100f, 100% Draw= 100d. You get the idea.
>>You can have 100 text shortcuts to macros that cover
>>ever shot hit. And with time(20 minutes), you too
>>can be #1 on any ladder you choose.
>>
>>http://www.pitrinec.com/pkindex.htm
>>
>>You said it yourself in your defence of your
>>accusations towards Rtser's. Some admit to using an
>>Edge, but how can you tell who does and who don't?
>>You can't. But now, us Rtsers and Pser's can say the
>>same for you. How can we tell? We can't.
>>
>>Is their an Edge used for cheating Rts? The answer
>>is Yes!
>>Is their a cheat for a PerfectPower/Perfect Snap for
>>the "Classic" swing? The answer is Yes!!!
>Your excitement over finally coming up with a scheme
>to give RTEdgers credibility has clouded your mind.
**I am not trying to give RTSers credibility. I am trying to get narrow
minded assholes like yourself to stop your relentless war against
people just trying to have fun playing a Video Game. It is you who do not
acknowledge what you have read. You are blinded by your own self
determination to rid the Links world of something you are not coordinated
enough to master. You probably tried it and found out that you only possess
enough talent to click the mouse, not push it too. Hence the reason why
you probably have to sit to chew gum**

Umm, you keep failing to understand the fact that I have never said a single thing about RTSers. My sentence in my email to you said "to give RTEdgers credibility" as you can see. Oh, I'm sorry, maybe you can't tell the difference between "RTEdger" and "RTSer". Don't worry, one day you might actually read and understand my writing and then a little light bulb will light up in that void between you ears and say to you "duh, he wasn't bashing RTSers". Either that or your trying to twist what I am saying to be convenient for you. If it's the latter, that's OK too because like I said, I like picking peoples arguments apart and embarrassing them:-)) 

>Take a few deep breaths and relax and accept the fact
>that RTSers will always be questioned about whether
>they edge or not when they constantly get perfect
>swings.
**They are only persecuted by people like you, they are never
persecuted by another RTSer**

Thank God for "Copy and Paste" because as much as I'm enjoying this, I really do get tired of typing the same old stuff, exposing your lack of intellect, over and over. This CTRL+V is taken from the paragraph above: "Umm, you keep failing to understand the fact that I have never said a single thing about RTSers.". You really must have struggled in school because it's really obvious that nothing you read even takes a short pit-stop in your brain..

>
>You are just not smart enough to realize the biggest
>problem with this scheme you came up with so I'll help
>you out. I told you I was smarter than you but I'm
>also a generous person so I'll help you out a bit.
** Is there going to be a test later? Maybe I should return to MIT to
prepare?**

MIT, in you dreams man. I am an engineer and it's rather obvious that your local community college would think twice about taking you in...

>The
>flaw in your scheme
**There is no scheme, was just a rant. Does Ritalin treat Paranoia? If
not I'm sure there are other drugs that can help you**

Actually you wrote this:

> Suppose a guy that was accused so much of cheating,

> when he never did, made this information available

> to all. I'm talking about "Exactly How to Cheat

> 'Classic' using a Macro to control the Snap!". Then

> it seems to me that suddenly all the Clickers that

> are biased like you would feel what we feel when you

> play and someone accuses you of cheating when you

> don't.

and this:

>I am posting this in every forum on every ladder I
>>can find.
>>So the next time you get Hot and your game borders
>>on Cheating, maybe you will get a little back of
>>what you dish out.

A rant is when you go off on something, a scheme is when you intend to take action. You came up with an idea and intend to take action by posting it in every forum as a means to gain some respect for RTEdgers. That's a scheme. Community college my ass...

Oh yea, here is another hint as to why you should jump on a lifeboat now, there was no DirectX back when people were using keyboard macros... 

>is that clickers NEVER hit perfect
>snaps over and over. Even when I'm hot, I'll hit maybe
>1 or 2 perfect snaps in a match.
**Like a said, if the swing meter varies alittle, then so would the
macro giving the Cheater perfect cover**

The change that was made in the swing meter was enough of a change and random enough to render these cheats useless. Just go to the LinksTour forums and ask a question about this and some of the old timers will fill you in. 

>The best snapper I've
>ever seen is Annika and I've seen her miss MANY snaps
>in a game.
**I also played her, I saw first hand.**

Annika plays Elite and misses snaps that end up putting her in the woods. She's one of the best players out there. Why wouldn't someone like her use one of these macros to make sure she never ends up in the woods? The answer is just around the corner, keep reading...

>That's the whole flaw in your theory. Good
>clickers hardly ever hit perfect snaps because they
>don't have to.
>Also, clickers will always vary the
>power in their swing when they need to get some more
>yards or hit it lighter.
**What does this have to do with it, its just as easy to set up a macro
for 80% as 100%. And because there is no limit to the number of macros
one can have. Your last statement made absolutely no sense**

It makes perfect sense because again, your not listening. The swing speed varies in random directions so you might setup a macro for 80% and end up missing the snap by a mile. The only way to truly get an 80% shot is to execute it yourself... 

>And lastly, most clickers
>play Pro where a perfect snap isn't even required to
>hit the ball straight.
**Ideal scenario for a slightly variable swing meter. When the swing
meter is a little off, so will the Macro, but because it don't require a
perfect snap to hit the ball straight, then the slight macro error
wouldn't effect the shot**

Another "Copy & Paste": "The swing speed varies in random directions so you might setup a macro for 80% and end up missing the snap by a mile. The only way to truly get an 80% shot is to execute it yourself..."

>
>I know that one day some angry RTSer came across these
>macro utilities and said "aha! we now have something
>we can toss back at clickers". The problem is that
>most of you RTSers are so angry that your minds are so
>clouded to think that this really doesn't make any
>sense because not even the best of clickers play in a
>way that would indicate they use such a thing.
**On the contrary, I think its the same. Just as you cant tell if an
RTSer is Edging, you could in no way tell if a Clicker was using a Macro
Utility. And if you can honestly say that statement isn't true, then it
is you who isn't very Brite, just narrow minded.**

Actually my whole bit on the site is how to tell the difference between an RTSer and an RTEdger. I really seems like you never actually went to my sight but I have some type that says:

"Their short game is absolutely pathetic. This is the litmus test. RTEdgers can't chip or play bunker shots or get the ball remotely close on bending putts to save their lying asses. They typically do OK on straight putts but that's about it. Anything that requires more thought than just moving the mouse back and forth against and edge, they choke on. "

A good RTS player has a good short game and I've seen many that do. I never had a problem playing these people and I never will. Not only do I think you've never been to my web site but I don't really think you even know what an RTEdger is and how they are different than a RTSer. Here is another lesson: RTEdgers have really good long games because they cheat and absolutely NO short game because they have no skills. RTSers can actually use their skills to chip and putt. Big difference...

>
>>I am posting this in every forum on every ladder I
>>can find.
>>So the next time you get Hot and your game borders
>>on Cheating, maybe you will get a little back of
>>what you dish out.
>>You and your accusations created me, now enjoy your
>>creation!
>I warned you about making false accusation before. You
>keep referring to me as if you know me and we've
>played before.
**I don't have to know you, if you have met one Accusing Clicker
asshole, you have met them all!**

News Flash:: I've never accused anyone about edging. I've said this to you over and over again and no matter how many times you try to twist it, you will NEVER find any RTSer that can say I accused them of edging, even the ones who came out and admit they edge. I have my own list of people that I suspect are edgers and those that admit to edging and I just try to avoid playing them. In you first email to me your first sentence was "I was reading your point of view on RTs, and I agree and disagree". I seriously doubt you read it because you really have no idea what you are talking about. If you need someone to vent to, by all means fire away. I can understand your frustration. My neighbors son is dyslexic and I hear about all the trouble he is having in school..

>I have never "dished" anything to
>anyone and don't advise people to do so. Can your
>angry, clouded mind re-read this sentence a few times
>so that it soaks in. I told you before, do your
>homework before you type anything. You keep making a
>fool of yourself every time your fingers touch the
>keyboard.
****************************************************************************************
You?, you never dished it out, you
used a BullDozer. I believe this garbage came from 'your' webpage??

Problem #8 RTEdgers: With the release of 2k3, we now have yet another
swing type, RTS or as I call it Real Time Swindle. Anyone trying this
swing type out will immediately realize that all you need to do is move
the mouse against a straight edge to get a perfect swing all the time.
Personally I think it was a waste of time for Microsoft to add this
swing type because of the controversy associated with it. There is no way
to tell if someone is just super coordinated or just an RTEdger. And
considering the number of hacks in the zone, it's seems rather curious
that all the RTS players can always hit the ball perfectly. Some people
have stopped playing all RTS players because of this and I can't say I
blame them. I would suggest you give an RTS player one chance and if you
see they are an RTEdger, just don't play with them anymore. It's fine
to use RTS but RTEdging is just plain cheating. Here's how you can sniff
out an RTEdger because of course, if you just ask these crooked
Linksters if they are edging, they always deny it.

ALL their tee shots and iron shots are hit perfectly centered. The
distance they leave their shots from the pin isn't as important as the
actual strike of the ball. Some of their shots will be close to the pin and
some wont, but all will be perfectly struck.
Their short game is absolutely pathetic. This is the litmus test.
RTEdgers can't chip or play bunker shots or get the ball remotely close on
bending putts to save their lying asses. They typically do OK on
straight putts but that's about it. Anything that requires more thought than
just moving the mouse back and forth against and edge, they choke on.
Once you realize someone is an RTEdger, I don't suggest confronting the
lying, cheating sack of shit about it. Just play your round and never
play them again. There is no sense in getting into an argument over this
because short of actually witnessing someone doing this, they will
always deny it. Just make a mental note of who they are or keep a list (I
do) and don't waste your time playing them again.
******************************************************************************************

Well at least you know how to copy and paste, cool. Did you actually read it though?? Where in there is there a single word criticizing RTSers?? The whole bit is about telling the difference between an RTSer and an REdger and to not confront anyone. Maybe if you just took one sentence every day it will be easier for you to digest what I am saying on my website. Take your time and don't start reading the next sentence, even if you fall back a few days, until you've digested the current sentence.

>
>Listen, here's some advice, go ahead and post this in
>every forum on every ladder room you find because I
>hope that I'm there when you do to see the mocking you
>get because this issue HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED BY
>M$ YEARS AGO!
**I'm sure there would be lots of opposition to this, but I'm sure all
the opposition would be Clickers**

Actually the opposition will be from everyone who can read because here is the reason you can't use these macros utilities to do a click swing. The macro utilities use the Windows API to mimic user input as if the user was typing it in or hitting the keys themselves. Windows programs get user input by receiving messages from the operating system about keystrokes and mouse movements and clicks. These macro programs post these same messages to the active program as the operating system would, thus it appears that the mimic the actions of a user. You with me so far??

The above method is how normal Windows application work but this was found to be terribly slow for games. More importantly, game writers in windows could only use the Windows API to draw to the screen as well and this is even more inefficient than the user input. Because of this, for a long time game writers refused to write games for Windows except for some games that weren't really taxing on the operating system. Some examples of these were the golf simulators. These were written to accept user input just like regular windows applications so these macro utilities would work with them. This is also why you would have to boot to DOS to play games because game writers didn't have to deal with the slow Windows API in DOS mode. The could access the video cards directly and get keyboards and mouse input using hardware interupts which are extremely fast.

Eventually M$ realized that if they didn't do something to get game writers to write high end games for Windows, it would not really do well as a home OS because there are 2 things that make a platform successful, games and porn. They decided to create DirectX. Game writers can now write games for DirectX which is a collection of low level interfaces which are not subject to the same inefficiencies as the Windows API. Games like Links 2k1 and 2k3 use an interface of DirectX called Direct Input to receive all user input. These macro programs don't talk to the Direct Input interface so they can't be used to do what you wish they could do...

Sorry man, I downloaded and tried the eval version of this one: http://www.macros.com/download.htm and it don't work on any DirectX games I have. The keystrokes are eventually filtered down to the DirectX interface but they are not given any priority and the timing could not be made to repeat no matter how much I tried. Oh well... I will give you credit for being creative though in coming up with this scheme but you should have proof before you started accusing people of something and running your foul mouth. That's the subtle difference that you are not bright enough to pick up. I don't accuse anyone of anything. I might suspect that someone is edging and then exercise my right not to play them any more... 

>I'm not discouraging you. On the
>contrary, go for it. It will be a good entertaining
>evening in the ladder rooms when you do. Please email
>me for a heads up so that I can be there as well.
**You got it :)**

I can't wait.