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GumbaGioino has entered the room.
Donjaber: sup man?
RaginAznXX: Hey guys
Donjaber: how you doing J.?
RaginAznXX: Pretty good.
RaginAznXX: Nice day out today.
Donjaber: yeah
Donjaber: I already have an exam on tuesday,
and other homework due that I didnt even
started yet. Its going to be a hectic semester
PntMstrFlx has entered the room.
RaginAznXX: Heh
PntMstrFlx: much better
RaginAznXX: Yeah, I have a bunch of
homework due this week.
Donjaber: rich, michael was telling me that gus
will only be available at 10 tonight, you ok
with a meeting at 10 instead, or should we
simply update gus after this meeting
RaginAznXX: I'm good with 10.
PntMstrFlx: if we do it at 10 I might not be
able to attend... being that we're doing a
little birthday celebration for a friend around
that time... I updated the assignment 3 a little
bit at like 3 am this morning... I just need to
add one
PntMstrFlx: more option to the manager
Donjaber: ok cool. Did you upload it on the
website?
PntMstrFlx: yeah
PntMstrFlx: didn't add much, just employee
and manager stuff
RaginAznXX: Cool
Donjaber: We are going to have to find a way
to let Gus what he needs to do then
Donjaber: I m sorry I couldnt do anything on
my side before today. I ended up working
for the past three days including yesterday
RaginAznXX: It's okay.
RaginAznXX: Oh hey, about the logo
RaginAznXX: I couldn't figure out how to
filter it out
RaginAznXX: So I had to clean it out by
hand.
RaginAznXX: And it took a lot longer than
I expected.
RaginAznXX: And I had other stuff to do.
RaginAznXX: So I'll work on that tonight.
PntMstrFlx: great.
Donjaber: cool
Donjaber: I figured out what was giving us the
error in the page. I cant do much about it
though. The geocities server adds a few
lines of html that is not well written
GumbaGioino: so whats left on the
assignment?
GumbaGioino: the schedule and the roles?
Donjaber: wait wait wait. Rich you did most
of this assignment, or we all have a part in
this
PntMstrFlx: I just uploaded the line I forgot
under manager... if everybody can go to the
website and take a look to see what other
functionalities and tasts we might need
PntMstrFlx: get that down, then we'll do
tasts/schedules
PntMstrFlx: looking over the website, we still
need to include functional relations... and
then just tasks/schedules
Donjaber: what do you mean "functional
relations"
PntMstrFlx: Off the assignment page: "This
should include in particular how all the
functionalities relate to each other. Include
all the dependencies."
PntMstrFlx: "This will allow you to easily see
what the next possible functionality / feature
/ increment is at any point, to schedule tasks
following the dependencies, and to schedule
independent tasks to be done in parallel."
Donjaber: you mean for the assignment, not
the website itself
PntMstrFlx: yeah, that's the next part of the
assignment
RaginAznXX: Hmm.
Donjaber: Im losing you Rich. you need to
update the website, or this is just a part of
the third assignment?
PntMstrFlx: this is part of the 3rd assignment
GumbaGioino: part o0f the assignment
Donjaber: by the way, michael, is joe with
you?
PntMstrFlx: or part o0f the asignment even
GumbaGioino: he's comin
Donjaber: ok
Donjaber: on my side, I could work on the
part 2 of the assignment, or some of it
Donjaber: How are we going to divide/assign
the different tasks for this project?
RaginAznXX: Well
RaginAznXX: Anyone really want any
position in particular?
RaginAznXX: We can get those out of the
way first.
GumbaGioino: i personally think its best if all
of us do a bit of a few roles
RaginAznXX: Well, there are people who
know some things better, like Erik and
Rich with database.
GumbaGioino: yea i know
Donjaber: we should start dividing the project
into smaller projects first, then with the
smaller projects, we must divide which tasks
are needed for them, then there we would
have an idea of what should be done one
after the other...
Donjaber: ...or in parallel, and then assign the
tasks from there
Donjaber: The only thing I know for now, is
that there will be some html development at
the beginning to show more or less the
functionalities expected without any
processes implemented 'yet'
Donjaber: there will also be some database,
but before it can be done, we need to agree
on which fields we would like to have in the
database
Donjaber: then we will need to know how the
different screens would relate to each other
for the implementation of java/jsp
GumbaGioino: well database fits under
programming field right?
PntMstrFlx: yep
Donjaber: yeah, but the fields you just talked
about is more or less universal for any
project in general, we need to know how
our project must be divided first, before
knowing what tasks are needed, and who
will be responsible for any task
Donjaber: Rich did most of dividing what
needs to be done for the project...
Donjaber: we need to start from there and
figure out the chronology of these tasks
RaginAznXX: Okay
RaginAznXX: So which should we set up
first?
RaginAznXX: I'm not sure how databases
work, but do we set that up first so we
have something to interface with, or do
we set up our side, so the database
can interface with us?
Donjaber: to know more or less what is
expected from us
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RaginAznXX has entered the room.
RaginAznXX: Argh, sorry. I keep closing
the wrong windows.
RaginAznXX: Reading the PDF now,
though.
PntMstrFlx: ok... just drop a responce when
read and good to go
Donjaber: I am downloading the acrobat
reader now, I was looking at the html
format, without the images
Donjaber: but this is just a template for what
we need to do
RaginAznXX: Huh. This looks more
useful than stuff she's been telling us in
class.
Donjaber: she has been telling us a lot of
useful stuff, but she didnt give us a big
picture...
Donjaber: with this big picture we can know
more or less why we do certain stuff. And
then we can start somewhere.
RaginAznXX: Yeah.
PntMstrFlx: *nods*
Donjaber: lol
RaginAznXX: Okay, I think I've got it.
Donjaber: My opininion is that we start with
the big picture rich had done already, and
for more efficiency we start breaking it
down to write more or less a requirement
for our project. Everything will roll from
there
RaginAznXX: Makes sense to me.
RaginAznXX: But what order are we
going to do things in afterwards?
Donjaber: We dont need to be technical for
now at all. We are just a bunch of restaurant
managers asking for a kind of system
RaginAznXX: True.
PntMstrFlx: so now... originally I was
thinking a demi- "top down bottom up"
approach ... on one side: start building the
database tables then triggers then fill the
tables on the other side start building the site
templates
PntMstrFlx: then integrate
Donjaber: then, with a more or less complete
requirement list. We are going to switch to
programmers and see how all components
relate to each other, and cut it down into
smaller pieces each week as much as we
can
PntMstrFlx: *nods*
RaginAznXX: Cool.
Donjaber: true, thats where we could start as
programmers, but we have no tangible
information to start with...
Donjaber: such as which fields are we looking
for (database, and html creation),
Donjaber: how they relate to each other, for
the java/jsp
PntMstrFlx: ok, then we start there
Donjaber: yeah, lets put our restaurant
knowledge to test
Donjaber: lets try to dissect what rich started
into more precise sentences
RaginAznXX: Okay
Donjaber: Rich what does CoD stands for
again?
GumbaGioino: cash on delivery?
PntMstrFlx: cash on delivery
Donjaber: yeah, ok
PntMstrFlx: pay when you pick up pretty
much
Donjaber: ok
Donjaber: as for functionality 1, it looks to me
pretty complete. We simply need to look at
how other website implements their
eCommerce pages and go from there. But
come up with more details if you find any
RaginAznXX: I've never written any
webpage that took user input.
PntMstrFlx: there's on-line ordering and such
at Mr. Pizza Man
RaginAznXX: Hmm.
Donjaber: nah, it doesnt need to save the user
input for now just implement the form with
the <input type="button"> type of tags.
There are text fields, radio buttons, check
buttons and a whole list of form fields
RaginAznXX: Ah, okay. Yeah, I didn't
know if it was just HTML tags you
plopped in, or if it was javascript or
something.
RaginAznXX: Wow. This is pretty simple.
RaginAznXX: You click your orders into
your shopping cart
RaginAznXX: Check out
Donjaber: dont worry about all the
functionality we will need for now. This is
where JSPs will come in handy
RaginAznXX: With your CC#, with
pickup/takeout/delivery
RaginAznXX: And there's a "transmit
order" button.
joeino02 has entered the room.
joeino02: hello
RaginAznXX: Hey
Donjaber: yeah, so for funct. 1 we will be
looking at a few examples like the ones rich
provided to us
PntMstrFlx: read that link to get an idea of
the planning methodology
RaginAznXX: How do we submit this?
RaginAznXX: In a diagram?
RaginAznXX: Or in English?
PntMstrFlx: English
Donjaber: open the link all the way on top,
the pdf format, without it you wont see the
pictures
joeino02: k
Donjaber: brb
PntMstrFlx: k
joeino02: lets assign roles then
PntMstrFlx: we will in a little bit
joeino02: then what do we have to do before
that?
PntMstrFlx: just gonna quote from the above
right now
RaginAznXX: ?
PntMstrFlx: My opininion is that we start
with the big picture rich had done already,
and for more efficiency we start breaking it
down to write more or less a requirement
for our project. Everything will roll from
there
PntMstrFlx: We dont need to be technical for
now at all. We are just a bunch of restaurant
managers asking for a kind of system
PntMstrFlx: then, with a more or less
complete requirement list. We are going to
switch to programmers and see how all
components relate to each other, and cut it
down into smaller pieces each week as
much as we can
PntMstrFlx: that wasn't my quotes...
PntMstrFlx: eric's
RaginAznXX: 'kay.
RaginAznXX: How are we going to break
it further than what you already have,
Rich?
Donjaber: ok, back
Donjaber: about everything you guys just told
Joe, my reasoning was that without
requirements we cannot start building. When
I said we are going to break what rich has
said, I didnt have anything in mind then...
RaginAznXX: 'kay.
Donjaber: just that I think rich did a good job
giving a high level details but we would
eventually need to break it down as much as
possible
RaginAznXX: Everything looks pretty
straightforward. Do you mean the
actual algorithms we'll have to use to
get things done?
Donjaber: about part 1, didnt we come to the
conclusion that we would simply follow
some other eCommerce website...
Donjaber: for example J., databases, we
cannot implement them without knowing
which fields we would want to save and
how they would relate to each other
Donjaber: about html, we can follow other
websites, but we must put it on paper for
our project, and stuff like that
RaginAznXX: Ohh
RaginAznXX: I see
Donjaber: (I am saving a few images from the
link I sent you guys, and will work on
something that would make our job for this
project easier.)
Donjaber: but i wont be doing that during this
meeting
joeino02: so are we gonna pool in ideas now?
joeino02: or requirements
PntMstrFlx: I'm just thinking of how we'd set
up reservations... if you guys can think of big
steps in implementation of the website while
we wait that would be great
PntMstrFlx: ie. establish domain, different
user interaction windows...
Donjaber: I was looking at your document,
and was thinking about what to do next.
Donjaber: but I could start with the
functionality 1 myself.
RaginAznXX: By implementation, do you
mean layout, and what we'll want the
user to input?
RaginAznXX: I can handle website stuff
for you.
Donjaber: for now I will simply find links to
the exact webpages, and link them to the
different steps for funct 1
RaginAznXX: Okay
RaginAznXX: So... anything I can do?
PntMstrFlx: ok, what's left to be done...
don't want this to be a 5 hour meeting
RaginAznXX: Heh
RaginAznXX: What is being done so far,
and what still needs to be done?
PntMstrFlx: nice... ok.. let's give everybody a
direction for this assignment and call it a
meeting for now... maybe those who can
meet up tonight or tomorrow to put things
together
RaginAznXX: I have another meeting
tomorrow at 3
RaginAznXX: So tomorrow
afternoon/night is good
Donjaber: ok
Donjaber: I was thinking guys, lets all find
websites that implement what rich wrote so
far, then write what we found up to make up
our document. Then tomorrow we
consolidate it all like rich proposed.
Donjaber: We need volunteers and work it
from there or we will assign stuff to
whomever
Donjaber: ok... I will be working on part 1
tonight.
RaginAznXX: ok
Donjaber: I will try working on more stuff if I
get done with it...
Donjaber: but the other parts should be taken
care of already, and I would complement
these with what I might have found extra
Donjaber: you guys here?
PntMstrFlx: ...
joeino02: yep
RaginAznXX: hi
Donjaber: ok
PntMstrFlx: ok, EVERYBODY decide what
tasts you want to do, be specific (ie HTML
coding, testing, debugging, documentation,
SQL.. ect... JSP.. ect...)
Donjaber: so what do you guys want to do?
PntMstrFlx: think about how long each task
will take you
PntMstrFlx: those 2 things we all need to
have done
PntMstrFlx: have those by our next meeting
time OR e-mailed to the group so we can
put things together...
Donjaber: I am down
joeino02: when is next meeting again?
Donjaber: but about the assignment, if we left
it all for tomorrow, it would be too short
notice to put up a document
joeino02: all nighter!
joeino02: tomorrow if need
joeino02: ed
PntMstrFlx: this is supposed to be the "easy"
assignment
GumbaGioino: well joe is being stupid i guess
joeino02: but lets all say what roles we want
or r most qualified for now
GumbaGioino: it seems to me that rich and
erik are gonna do databases
GumbaGioino: me joe and gus can do java
GumbaGioino: being that we are cse
joeino02: mike,gus,jason and i are probably
the most qualified to code java
GumbaGioino: documentation should then be
done by all or most of us depending if
anyone wants to do more testing and
debugging
joeino02: but testing and debugging comes
after coding so we should all code or do
something in the meantime
joeino02: i dont want any people just testing
and debugging
PntMstrFlx: one thing... this program isn't that
much java... mostly HTML, JSP and SQL...
so 4 people coding java will probably be
overkill
joeino02: actually
joeino02: it may be
joeino02: java is gonna glue the stuff together
joeino02: database at one end and html at
other and java at the core
joeino02: rich and erik should do database
joeino02: erik and jason should do html
joeino02: and mike gus and i should do java
joeino02: plz respond to what i have written!
PntMstrFlx: well...
RaginAznXX: ok
joeino02: jsp will be toward the end of the
project prototype
Donjaber: guys mind you that we are not into
implementation yet
RaginAznXX: Yeah
PntMstrFlx: Listen up... going to quickly
run down what needs to be done so we
can be out of here by 8pm
joeino02: ok right now UML is the big issue, i
did get ahead of myself
joeino02: but the teacher wants to know the
roles of everyone
PntMstrFlx: UML is next assignment...
this meeting is just getting the project
functions/relations/group roles/group
planning down..
joeino02: part 4 looks like she wants the
whole semester planned out
PntMstrFlx: well... kinda
joeino02: sum1 plz say something
PntMstrFlx: one sec... just getting things
down
joeino02: jason erik or mike got anything to
add?
RaginAznXX: I kinda want to see what
Rich has to say.
RaginAznXX: Otherwise, I can't really
think of anything.
RaginAznXX: Hey, so which ones of us
live on campus, again?
PntMstrFlx: Me, Eric and yourself
RaginAznXX: Oh. Okay.
RaginAznXX: I was thinking, we need
more meetings in person. It's hard to
visualize a lot of this stuff just in a
chatroom.
PntMstrFlx: agreed... but here we go... this is
what we have to have in...
PntMstrFlx: first: Meeting tomorrow at
10pm... unless we have serious schedule
conflicts
PntMstrFlx: meeting time should be no longer
then 2 hours...
joeino02: ok
PntMstrFlx: I'll be getting there around 11...
but Eric will fill in what needs to be said...
along w/ that my part will be submitted for
you to look over
joeino02: AIM meeting?
PntMstrFlx: by tomorrow's meeting we need
everybody to do 3 somewhat simple things
PntMstrFlx: yep
joeino02: ok
RaginAznXX: Okay.
PntMstrFlx: we might not even need much of
a meeting if everybody does their job
Donjaber: for now rich just tell us what to do,
it is more efficient this way
joeino02: yep
PntMstrFlx: \1. List your preffered jobs...
think specific (Ie. "Impliment HTTP user
interface for Patron, Manager and
Employee end views" or "Develop JSP's for
the HTTP interface for xxx views" or "Code
the SQL CREATEs
PntMstrFlx: also include what testings,
debugging...e ct
joeino02: how bout java?
Donjaber: to clear that one out...
Donjaber: java is part of jsp so yeah, we will
need java
RaginAznXX: I would really like to do the
webpage for you guys, because I could
probably do that best. I can do coding,
if you can give me more specific.
PntMstrFlx: 2. decide required times for your
specific parts... we'll refine those during the
meetings... ie it'll take 2 weeks about for the
SQL.. ect
PntMstrFlx: java, JSP, HTTP... I want all of
what you can do... but write it down before
the meeting..
RaginAznXX: Oh, this is for tomorrow's
meeting. Okay.
PntMstrFlx: yep
PntMstrFlx: 3. we're going to break into
groups of 2
PntMstrFlx: each group is going to be given a
specific functionality (Patron, Employee,
Manager... they're all under our assignment
3)
PntMstrFlx: with the functionality, find 1
example each of a similar interface... and if
you can't find one, think of more details for
the interface
PntMstrFlx: pretty much what we need to do
is add more details and make what we have
currently for assignment 3, more specific...
RaginAznXX: Okay
Donjaber: and compliant to the assignment
given
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Donjaber: wait a sec rich. Joe and Mich,
seem to have a problem with the chat
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joeino02 has entered the room.
Donjaber: sorry, couldnt do much
joeino02: srry
PntMstrFlx: what was the last thing you
read?
joeino02: jason wanted to do web page
PntMstrFlx: 2. decide required times for
your specific parts... we'll refine those during
the meetings... ie it'll take 2 weeks about for
the SQL.. ect
PntMstrFlx: java, JSP, HTTP... I want all of
what you can do... but write it down before
the meeting..
PntMstrFlx: 3. we're going to break into
groups of 2
PntMstrFlx: each group is going to be given a
specific functionality (Patron, Employee,
Manager... they're all under our assignment
3)
PntMstrFlx: with the functionality, find 1
example each of a similar interface... and if
you can't find one, think of more details for
the interface
PntMstrFlx: pretty much what we need to do
is add more details and make what we have
currently for assignment 3, more specific...
PntMstrFlx: Groups are: 1 (Patrons - on-line
ordering/reservation) Twins
GumbaGioino: ok
joeino02: k
PntMstrFlx: 2. Employee Interaface - Eric
and Jason
Donjaber: cool
PntMstrFlx: 3. Managers, Myself and Gus (if
he gets all of this)
PntMstrFlx: any
questions/problems/complains?
joeino02: so find web stuff to get the A for this
HW?
Donjaber: so far so good.
Donjaber: not only find, but also put it in
context of the homework
Donjaber: you are going to have to write
down what you found
PntMstrFlx: oh, and if you can... put this in a
word or text document and upload it to you
individual folder on our website so we can
all easily access it for putting things
together...
Donjaber: in compliance to what is asked for
for this assignment
PntMstrFlx: yeah... find the link, and look
through it... seeing "Add link for XXX
resource from this page"
Donjaber: I will save this chat at the end of it
and link it up to the page, so you can read
the whole thing
PntMstrFlx: any further questions?
Donjaber: for those who didnt have the whole
thing and gus in particular
joeino02: what about Part 4
PntMstrFlx: that's why I want you all to give
me a list of how long you'll think it'll take
you for each task
PntMstrFlx: so we can schedule around that
joeino02: ok
joeino02: have this ready for tomorrow at 10
right?
Donjaber: this will most likely be done
tomorrow, but you can try to comment on it
if you want. Write whatever could help the
person to synchronize all of this
PntMstrFlx: yep
GumbaGioino: ok then
PntMstrFlx: then if everybody gets all of that
we're done here for today
