NOTE: The basis of this is Partick Grossman’s (patrick)
write-up from “The Best of Moparts”. I added
additional information to it to maybe answer some of the routine questions I am
asked about this conversion.
349MagnumRT (James)
Original thread:
Magnum Heads on LA Blocks Thread
Some of
the advantages of the Magnum heads are: 8mm valve stems (lighter than the LA's
3/8 stem) "swirl port" technology in the intake runner, 63cc closed
chamber, great port velocity, improved exhaust runner, stock 1.6 ratio rockers,
ability to support 400HP out of the box.
To put Magnum heads heads on a pre-Magnum small
block, here's what you need:
different pushrods
oil through lifters
different head bolts
magnum heads
magnum rocker gear
different intake (potentially)*
PUSHRODS:
You can custom measure and get custom length ones, or MP offers these:
Special hydraulic pushrods
Designed to allow the use of magnum heads and
standard magnum rockers on standard 1967-91
"A" short block/engines.
MP Part number: 5007477
Magnum head on standard "A" block-set of 16 7.625"
Some guys
have reported that these pushrods may be a touch too short because of differences
in head gasket thickness and block deck height, etc.
If you are running a lot of lift (small base circle on the
cam) with standard non-adjustable rockers, or adjustable rockers (depending on
how much lift), you may need to get custom length ones. Or, you might be
able to find some off the shelf Ford/Chevy parts to work.
The thing
to remember is there is no “ONE SIZE FITS ALL” when it comes to pushrods.
LIFTERS:
They need provisions for pushrod oiling. If you have stock lifters (stock cam)
they probably don't. If you have an aftermarket cam, you probably do. The way
to check: find out your lifter manufacturer (i.e. are they summit lifters?
comp? crane? etc) and see if the part number for a Mopar
is the same part number for an AMC motor. If they are, then you have pushrod
oiling capable lifters. Most do. I know for sure Comp & Summit do.
NOTE:
Stock Mopar roller lifters WILL NOT work in a non-roller block. The lifter bosses in a roller
block are approximately 0.40” taller than a non-roller block. Since the roller
lifter is much taller than a standard hydraulic, the taller boss in necessary
to keep the oil holes covered at max lift. Otherwise you will have little or no
oil pressure. The lifter bores *could* be bushed taller, but that is getting a
little more involved than most guys want. Retrofit roller lifters ARE available
but are kind of expensive. CAT has listed retrofit rollers on their site, but are not yet available.
HEAD BOLTS:
The bolts are different length than old LA ones. Luckily they're cheap:
MP part
number: 4876759 Magnum engine
HEADS:
Any '92-up 318 or '93 up 360 will have them. You might have issues finding
cracked heads, or you might not find junkyards to sell you heads, they may want
to sell the whole motor. If you get them from a junkyard, make sure you get the
rockers and valve covers. If you can't find them in a yard, what are you to do?
Well, Mopar Performance sells them as brand new
castings:
MP PN: 4876256 (1.92/1.625 production castings)
Or you can purchase Magnum R/T heads, which feature stock port locations, and a
W2 style bowl, and improved exhaust
port. Arguably the best iron small block head you can find.
MP PN 5007140 1.92/1.625 valve
MP PN 5007140 2.02/1.625 valve
Magnum head
flow results by www.shadydellspeedshop.com :
Magnum R/T head flow results by www.shadydellspeedshop.com :
Magnum R/T Head Flow Results>Springs:
Magnum heads use a smaller diameter valve spring than an LA head does. While
this makes getting at the head bolts easier, it makes selecting the right
spring for your cam a pain. MP offers 2 different valve springs for the Magnum
head. Of those, the ‘6062 spring is the only one to really consider in my
opinion. Crower also offers a decent Magnum spring (dual).
The REAL ticket is to open up the spring
pockets to 1.5” and use any one of the zillion 1.5” diameter springs offered by
any of the cam or spring makers using the seat cutter available through Goodson
or any of the major cam manufacturers.
Goodson PN VSS-1550 (spring seat cutter
1.55” dia. – other diameters are available)
>Locks:
Limited availability due to the 8mm round groove valve stem used. MP sells them
and LS1 Chevrolets use a compatible lock.
>Retainers:
Stock Magnum springs are a conical style spring with a rather small diameter
retainer. These WILL
NOT work with aftermarket or MP springs. MP sells retainers for
their Magnum springs as well as Crower. Chrysler 2.2L retainers can be used
with 1.5” dia springs as well.
>Valves:
Again limited availability due to the 8mm stem. This IS NOT the same as a 5/16” stem valve unless you want some sloppy
valves. As far as I know, MP is just about the only game for stainless steel
valves. Ferrea offers one, but their catalog shows it
to be 5/16” stem… FWIW, Chevrolet LS1
valves are virtually the same length, 8mm stem and use round groove locks.
Diameters vary though.
OR if you want, you can purchase assembled heads. I believe the assembled
production heads have the crate motor valve springs. These should be good for
cams up to .510" lift. CAVEAT: Magnum
heads start running into seal to retainer clearance at valve lifts much above 0.525
lift, so if you want to go higher you'll have to machine down the valve guide
for clearance. A tool is available through most cam manufacturers to shorten
the guide and remove the spring step. Best thing is,
you can do it in your garage with minimal hassle and excellent results.
Goodson PN
VSC-530312 (cutter and 5/16” guide for 0.530”
seals – other seal diameters are also available)
Assembled Magnum
head:
MP PN 5007086
Assembled Magnum R/T heads:
P70005 (1.92/1.625)
P70005 (2.02/1.625)
NOTE: MAGNUM R/T HEAD USERS! The pushrod holes machined in the R/T heads
offer MINIMAL (if not zero) pushrod clearance standard hydraulic lifters. It is
HIGHLY recommended that you enlongate the push rod
holes in the casting TOWARDS the intake face almost to the valve cover rail all
the way through the casting. Roller lifter users may only need to clearance the
lower portion (deck side) of the hole to have adequate clearance. Failure to
check this can result in a trashed motor and a very bad day.
ROCKER GEAR:
Stock magnum rocker arms are actually the same rocker arms as the old AMC
290-401 engine series, and are 1.6 ratio instead of the LA 1.5 ratio. To determine the valve lift with 1.6 rockers, take your LA cam's
valve lift and multiply by 1.067 (1.6/1.5).
Aftermarket roller rockers are usually the same pieces as SB Chevy pieces, and
may require different rocker arm studs. Some kits may include them. Most
aftermarket rockers are available in 1.6 or 1.7 ratio.
Small Block Ford specific roller rockers (1.6 ratio) are
reported to be a better fit because of minor differences in the rocker pivot to
roller tip dimensions. CAT Chevy roller rocker have been successfully used as
well.
Crane: offers a stud and guide kit: PN
36655-16, which is the same part number for a Ford 5.0L conversion. The rockers
PN 11746-16 (1.6 ratio) are the same rockers for 5.0L Fords and SB Chevy's. These
are the same parts as the roller rocker arm kit available through MP.
COMPCams: Now offers a “real” Magnum guide plate and it is
preferred over the Crane Teflon thingys. In older
Comp catalogs (and possibly their website) they list a PN4842 & PN4843.
These are INCORRECT. This is an
Oldsmobile guide plate and it WILL
NOT work properly on a Magnum head.
Crower also has Magnum roller rockers
available in rail (no guide plates necessary) or
non-rail (guide plates required) as well as the other necessary hardware to
install them.
If you're
running a moderate hydraulic cam, stock rockers are fine. If you don't have
junkyard ones new ones are available from MP:
MAGNUM V8 ROCKER ARM SET
Consists of 2 rocker arms,2 pivots,2attaching
boltsand 1 guide.for use
with hydraulic cams
only,production 1.6 design ratio. NOT for
4.7L V8.
MP PN 4876050 (one cyl, need qty 8
)
NOTE:
Roller rocker arms WILL NOT clear
the baffles inside a stock valve cover. There are several ways to fix this:
1. Buy MP
cast aluminum valve covers (spendy)
2. Cut the
stock baffles out.
3. Bash
the baffles in with a hammer.
4. Build a valve cover spacer out of wood or metal. I ended up bolting a valve cover
to a piece of wood (maple or something) trimming around it with a flush cut
router bit and made myself a 1/2" spacer. Painted it good and
installed it with 2 valve cover gaskets and longer bolts. No leaks so far. Small
Block Chevy valve covers will even fit if you enlongate
the valve cover holes a bit. I had this setup for a while, but couldn’t keep it
from weeping around the top of the bolts (didn’t really try too hard though)
and went with a spacer. Some SBC valve covers can be purchased without the
holes drilled. You could drill your own and possibly eliminate the weeping
problem I had.
INTAKES:
MP intakes:
MP PN 5007380 dual plane
MP PN 5007381 single plane
MP PN 5007398AB 2BBL MPI W/EGR (92-96 truck replacement)
MP PN 5007852 2BBL MPI W/O EGR (97-02
truck replacement)
Edelbrock: Air Gap PN 7577
Professional
Products: Crosswind #55025 – Polished
*Also, Moparts board member 349MagnumRT has come up
with a simple yet ingenious jig to redrill your
magnum heads for an LA bolt pattern, so any LA intake can be used. PM him for details.
That's basically the gist of adding Magnum heads to an LA motor. For a 318, the
1.92 valve is about the perfect size. Any larger (to say 2.02's) will
physically fit, but the shrouding caused by the smaller bore on the larger
valve will negate any flow increase. besides, ported,
the stock valve will flow over 260 CFM, enough to support 500+ HP. Look in the “Best
Of Moparts” section for some of RyanJ's
flow results from Magnum heads, both R/T and standard Magnum.
I'd like to thank the board members who have over the years contributed information,
and to Mopar Muscle, Car Craft, and Steve Dulcich for the articles they've written/published on the
matter who I have gained some of the info from. This is a great forum with a
lot of knowledgeable guys, hopefully I've been able to
contribute a little to help others out.
Steve D also had a great article in building a non-ported head 318 using Magnums
here: The
Little Mopar that Could which is a great
reference article.
One last note: Magnum heads *can* work on a 273 (I have one), but you had better be ready to break out the carbides and notch the cylinder bores, as the stock Magnum valves will hit the bore.
Cost to rent: $20 USD payable to my Paypal account, [email protected] or a MO sent to me. This is to
basically cover the cost of replacement if someone decides they want to be a
jerk and keep it indefinately.
Fixture:
It bolts to the accessory holes on the ends of the head. It fits pretty
tight to the head. The bolts will not thread in if it is not aligned just
right. It can be wiggled/rotated into place with a RUBBER mallet or a dead blow
hammer. PLEASE DO NOT STRIKE THE FIXTURE WITH A METAL HAMMER. There are always
guys in waiting to use it and I would like for it to be in as good of
condition for everybody. The tubes a 3/8" ID steel tube and to eliminate
wear in the jig itself, I line the tubes with a 2-1/2" piece of copper
tubing for each head I do. The copper tubing is 3/8" OD and 5/16"
ID...the size bit most tap sets come with. It is available at just about any
hardware/home improvement store. This lets the copper be the wear surface for
each time a hole is drilled and not the steel. Poke them out and poke new ones
in for the next head. I just bought a small roll of copper tubing and use a
tubing cutter to cut the pieces. I am not supplying the brass tubing with the
fixture. You will need to have that on hand before attempting to drill your
heads. PLEASE DO NOT MODIFY THE FIXTURE IN ANY WAY. If it becomes damaged,
please ship it back to me for repairs ASAP.
Materials / Tools:
1. Electric hand drill
2. Good, sharp 5/16" drill bit (2 would be a good idea)
3. 3/8" OD copper tubing
4. Small tubing cutter or hacksaw
5. Three good 3/8" bolts (I used 318 intake bolts)
6. Oil - for lubricating/cooling the drill bit
Procedure:
Bolt it to the head and drill. Really, it's pretty simple, just TAKE YOUR TIME
DRILLING. There is no award for the "lowest drilling ET." :-) Please
clean it before putting it back into the case and shipping it out to the next
guy or back to me. I painted it so it should be fairly easy to keep clean.
Mandatory Disclaimer:
If you are contemplating drilling and tapping your own cylinder heads I WOULD
HOPE that you have at least average skills using the tools you will be using.
If you are uncertain that you can complete this successfully, BY ALL MEANS find
someone that can or do not attempt it. The best thing about this modification
is that it is fairly safe. If you do happen to mess yours up, the Magnum holes
should still be usable. Since this is an el-cheapo solution to a common problem
with us Magnum head users/wannabe users. I won't rule out the possibility that you
may need to rat tail file a hole or two in your intake to make it fit 100%
correctly, as I am not the one doing the drilling and tapping. I also can't
take responsibility for you doing something dumb and breaking a tap or a drill
bit off in your head.
Questions or problems:
I can be reached in a variety of way in the event you have a question or
problem.
1. PM through Moparts
2 Email at [email protected]
3. Cell phone - 806-683-8627 Home phone - 806-353-2541