Alexis:
Jacky... *sigh*.... I think firstly, you're very brave to want to know what I think about you. I didn't think you would... i thought you'd know, but you've asked, so I'll tell you.

Honestly, I think you're A LOT like Orion. I don't think you're prepared for the sort of relationship you think you have with Mel. I think you have a lot to learn about life and relationships before you can completely give yourself over to that sort of commitment. I don't think you listen to a word people say when they give you advice. I can clearly remember giving you the same pieces of advice at least 5 times, and you haven't paid any attention to what I've said. I think you're like Orion in this way, in that sometimes when I talk to you, I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

I think you have lost a lot of respect from people and none of them (or me) appreciate the fact that you get extremely offensive when people say something that isn't meant to be taken in that way. I think you need to think about your actions more, and think about what you want out of life more before you go committing yourself to things that you think you can, when people can see you're not ready for it.

I think in some ways, you mean well, yet, you go about them in the wrong way. I think if you want people's respect and trust, it is something you're going to have to earn back. You asked for my honest opinion, and I have given it to you.

Jacky:
i dont believe im like orion. i dont force things on particular people and ive had enough experience in my past relationships to know what is right and wrong to have brought melissa and i this far. but you've put your statement so general that i could easily say melissa is like you. is that a fair judgement? i dont believe so. why? because i dont know you well enough to make that judgement.

'they' think im not ready for a relationship but it is in a third person view. i dont see it as dependeble advice from 'them'. and with their present stance, youre the only one that has approached me with honest advice so why should i even open my ears to them when they mute themselves and talk amongst themselves only to create more rumours?

and that is what 'two-faced' means.

seriously, if they would want to give me advice, i think the more respectable way of doing so is through something other than making fun of me. but then again, if they are so afraid of talking to me directly face to face or even on the phone, do their opinions matter in the end?

i guess it also comes down to having faith in people. i could go and point out flaws in your relationship with robert but the fact is, i have faith in you two that you both may overcome the obstacles you may be presented. if you dont have the same level of faith in melissa and i then i dont know why i even bother trying to trust people and have faith in them when i do not recieve faith in return.

and i really honstly dislike people that think they know so much about relationships. people that learn about relationships from text books/magazines/tv dramas and not through experience but right now, i can safely say that peter is the only one that is close enough to make any sound judgment over melissa and i because he truly knows all our scenarios and what we have been through past and present much more than any of you.

and i have been listening to you but i just decided not to act on the advice ive been given because its my decision. its my choice. you may call me a fool or whatever but truth is, i dont think thats the logical way to approach things. i can safely say that not all girls are alike. some may like something that others may hate.

then again, ive given you advice on getting over orion before and you didnt seem to listen. i'm okay with that because its YOUR choice and i dont think its fair that i force my advice on you when its obivious that you believe your decisions are correct.

its good that you actually gave me an honest answer though, as much as i am against your advice, i still respect you very much for being so direct and HONEST unlike some people i know.

Alexis:
i dont believe im like orion. i dont force things on particular people and ive had enough experience in my past relationships to know what is right and wrong to have brought melissa and i this far.
I never said Orion forced things on me (although he did, that is something that did not pertain to my point.). But from what I've seen, you think that going around moping when you guys have arguments or whatnot is helping her? What is the point of just walking away from something instead of standing around talking about it? When it comes to Orion, I meant it in that you have a lot to learn. That is not a conclusion I have come to from seeing you and Mel. It is something I have learnt though my own dealings with you. You don't understand a lot, Jacky and I think that is how you are like Orion. You both react in the same way/s when people tell you certain things. I never said I knew you well enough for anything. But from the way you've dealt with me, you remind me a lot of Orion. I'm sorry, but that's just how I feel.

I am perfectly aware of what two-faced means.

No one else talks to you about their issues with you, because they know you'll go off at them. Honestly, who wants to talk to someone when they know they'll get yelled at? Anyway, no one said they have to talk to you. People are free to do what they like, and if you don't like it, then you should be the one to fix it.

i could go and point out flaws in your relationship with robert but the fact is, i have faith in you two that you both may overcome the obstacles you may be presented.
How dare you compare my relationship with Robert to you. You're lucky I'm even still talking to you after that. You think we have "flaws"? How would you know? Personally, I can say that you have no grounds to compare us to you. I am not 15 years old. He and I do not argue anywhere near as much as I know you and Mel have. I have not isolated myself from people because of him. Mel is my friend, but your relationship has a lot of holes in it that I can say Robert and I will never have. There are reasons why people may not have faith in you and Mel and you should understand why. You guys are my friends, which is why I've stood by both of you up until now. But if you go saying you can find "flaws" in my rel with him, then this friendship is over.

and i really honstly dislike people that think they know so much about relationships. people that learn about relationships from text books/magazines/tv dramas and not through experience but right now
I laugh at that if you think that's where I've learnt what I have about relationships. I can easily say I have had more relationships than you. You think you know how much I've been through, huh? You seriously need to think before you go making assumptions on me like that. As for everyone else, well... I wouldn't know, but then again, I don't think you are in any positions to make such assumptions on them, either.

If you don't want to take my advice, then don't. I never said you had to. But quit asking me the same thing over and over again if you have no interest in hearing my advice. I never asked for your advice on Orion. Quit comparing me to you and just learnt to live with yourself. If you don't like what it is people may have to say, then deal with it. But don't take it out on others.

Jacky:
But from what I've seen, you think that going around moping when you guys have arguments or whatnot is helping her?

relationship update: im not afraid to say that is like afew months back into our relationship and that we are 'probably' doing way better than you and orion in the past purely based on the fact that we both have learned to compromise. ask mel yourself.

No one else talks to you about their issues with you

isnt that another really general statement? i have many friends that come to me with their issues and i actually do help them but some that is out of my reach because some of their issues deals with things i have not experienced etc.

How dare you compare my relationship with Robert to you.

;__; you've taken it totally wrong. never have i done that in anyways. and i said 'point out'. i dare to say what i think because i dont like to hide things like your 'other friends' out there. and ive never voiced out the so called flaws because i dont pick on other peoples weaknesses (its never my intention and style anyways) and also the fact that i dont know you two enough to place judgements on your relationship because my opinions are purely based on what i see externally thus it would not be fair for me to say shit about you (unlike some people *im not talking about you*).

He and I do not argue anywhere near as much as I know you and Mel have.

you think you know so much about us. and ive never made direct assumptions about you and robert because i dont want to believe they are true because i have faith.

I laugh at that if you think that's where I've learnt what I have about relationships.

never said it was you. i specifically say that i hate those kind of people and since ive been this direct to you, im sure i wouldnt hide your name if i was directing this to you.

You guys are my friends, which is why I've stood by both of you up until now.

saying your honest answer was for us to break up isnt really standing by both of us now is it? and holes can be patched if we put in the effort and compromise. we are doing really well so i dont think you need to assume that we are arguing all the time.

I can easily say I have had more relationships than you.

so? doesnt mean youve had nore experience now does it? more isnt always better you know?

You think you know how much I've been through, huh?

no, and i never said have or thought of it either.

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lets put everything simply. you totally suck at compromising with me AND i totally suck at compromising with you aswell. i want this argument to stop because right now, if i continue to be stubborn, you wont even budge on your stance so i'll make to first move:

melissa and i are doing really well. we are happy together.

and it really takes a lot of guts for me to argue with you becauser youre quite infamous for ripping peoples heads off if they didnt agree with you. lol :) and so i think i deserve an award for bravery. i've already lost like an arm and half a leg with this angsty live journal battle. i think youre tired of the drama aswell so how about it? shake hands? :)

Alexis:
acky, I am basing this whole argument on what I know of your relationship and my friendship with Mel. You don't understand shit all. That's great that you apparently think your relationship is going well, but you fail to remember a lot of things... a lot of reasons WHY people have a problem with your relationship with Mel. If you are going to get so angry at me for telling what I think and what a lot of other people think, then that's your problem. If you hate me and my opinions so much then why do you come to me all the time? Why do you ask me the same stupid questions over and over and over and over again?

As for Robert and I... maybe you and Mel don't argue AS MUCH now, but you used to. You think Mel didn't come to me when you did? You need a reality check. Robert would never try to kill himself over a fight. He would talk to me about things, and do things the complete and utter opposite way to the way you do them. 

Ummm HELLO?! Having more relationships than you, I am pretty sure I know more about them, and have more experience than you have. You have only ever proven to me that you KNOW NOTHING about relationships. People laugh at your inability to maintain a relationship with a girl. You know NOTHING about women. You've made me laugh at the questions you've asked me. You need to grow up before you can even think you know anything about girls and about relationships in general. THAT'S why you remind me of Orion. You know nothing and you need more experience before you could even consider having a serious relationship, let alone thinking about marrying someone. You make me laugh.

I don't suck at compromising with anyone. You're the one who has come along on MY LJ, asked me what I think about you, and I gave you an answer. If you wanted to start an argument, you've done a good job of it. I didn't make this post to have arguments with people. If you did not like what I said, then deal with it. This had NOTHING to do with compromisation. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a compromise usually occurs when you have an issue to deal with. As far as I was concerned, there was no issue, yet you've made one, because YOU'RE the one who has an issue with what I think about you. I couldn't give a flying fuck about what you think about me. Congratulations, you have successfully had one of the stupidest arguments with me I've ever had. Grow up, get a life and stop asking from advice from me, because from this point on, I have no interest in talking to you about anything

Jacky:
so thats how it is?

you make me laugh also, atleast i admit i dont know everything unlike your attitude at the moment. and the fact that i DONT compare you and robert with me and melissa. in the end, you are the one that made the comparison.

i admit so many things that i was in the wrong and such but all youre seem to be worried about is you being right. well guess what? youre not always right because some (if not most) people that say they agree with what you think of me and melissa just to shut you off and make you feel good. infact, its got to the point where it has been feeding your ego non stop.

im just telling you what i think and what others tell me and i havent even got to the point telling you what others think of you as well like you have done with me.

i know nothing? atleast i try to learn from my mistakes. youre the one thats denying your inabilities to cope with when you are wrong. youre lazy, people think you dont work or lack effort becuase you have it too comfortable with leeching off robert (same goes with orion in the past). and soon, people will be even clearer that a lot of arguments started and fueled was usually partly (if not most) your fault. JAUWS wouldntve been a drama central if you were smart enough like you think you are to avoid conflicts, you need a bf to keep you company when all that you seem to do is leech off one and jump to the next (and its no wonder people think you are using robert as a relationship pillow). atleast i let about 2 years to learn of my mistakes before i jump to another relationship again.

just face it, im not up myself and i just hate it. 

youre the one that has to wake up because you seem to think youre flawless when you give advice to others and that your advice seems to be like the almighty word for everyone.

i dont abandon everyone always, i try to even though its hard for me to do so.

hypocrite, you seem to always be with robert yourself. sure, i probably dont know much of what you do in your time but i can say that aswell because i still have pleanty of friends outside the club that i meet with and they are actually helping me.

atleast i have the guts to voice my opinions out loud regardless of losing a friend. if your other friends are so afraid of losing you as a friend because they dont want to speak out then let this post be a represenntation of what they want less of you in your personality.

you have a nice life too.

Alexis:
That's fine, Jacky. You think what you like. I'm sick of talking to a wall. If you want to scream insults at me, then fine. But I don't wanna have anything more to do with you. And hey, at least I'm not a pedo. I might be everything else you say I am, but at least I know I'm not committing a crime. ^_^ Go fuck Orion up the ass. I've had it with people like you.

Jacky:
and sadly. i have a feeling that people agree with you when you speak your mind about me and melissa to avoid arguments with you .__.

i just want to be happy with melissa. cant anyone just leave us alone?

Alexis:
You wanna know why?!

MEL IS 15! How old are you? Why do you think people say/think what they do?! Use your brain... I'm sick of dealing with this. I don't mind being friends with you, Jacky, but I don't like being your dictator for your own relationship.

Jacky:
its always 'mel is 15' i know its true but so what? she is appy with me and i am aswell. thats all that counts.

but what i mean is that people agree with you on things not because they do but rather they just want you to shut up and not want any arguments with you.

>__< im hope youre okay with me standing up a bit cuz seriously, no one does and they just continue to be two faced and im sick of all this shit.

Robert:
Hello ^_^

I do not know why I need to make this comment. The premise of this "discussion" is unfounded.

To the best of my knowledge, magenta_skies intended for this journal entry to supply her the premise to give her honest opinions on people. The hook for supplying this information was that a specific user made a request for it.

cooked_sashimi, you made such a request. magenta_skies supplied you with her opinion. Asking someone for their opinion provides absolutely no grounds for rebuttal or contention. Doing so will not change their opinion. One thing it will do is emotionally aggravate them.

No one asked for your opinion. You provided your opinion and instigated a digression. This is not my journal. This is not your journal. This is magenta_skies's journal. Common sense dictates the application of tact in this scenario. I suggest that you have not done this. Qualification of this point lays in your above dialog.

Now, whilst it may be suggested that I am but repeating your actions by giving words to my thoughts, I ensure you that it is done after consultation with magenta_skies. These words are my own, although she is aware that I am posting my thesis.

I am not going to respond to discussion points raised by either magenta_skies or cooked_sashimi. I will however list some points within the realm of my knowledge.

People have not invited you, cooked_sashimi to events. Two events immediately come to mind, although there may be more. Use of the words "not invited you" is a little misleading. You were explicitly not invited. I cannot give you a precise reason. I am unable to tell you explicitly who did not invite you. My suggestion is that the decision was reached as a general consensus of all attendees. As Mel is your significant other she was also not invited. If she were not your significant other she would have been invited.

Your relationship with Mel is paedophilic by the laws of our country. Being the older person in the relationship (and the male) a significant portion of the responsibility for this rests upon your shoulders. I suggest to you, that people have issues when they are aware of a paedophilic relationship.

I am not telling you what to do with your life. It is your life. Make your own decisions. When you ask someone for their opinion on something please understand that a response is not required, except where explicitly requested.