Wed Jun 03 1992 09:24:43 by Carolyn James James family ------------------------------- What I have is the direct line of the James boys back to their GG Grandfather William James. The line goes like this: William James m Mary Hines and had- Martin James b 1789 Richard James b b 1813 Thomas James b 1783 William James Jr. b 1782 Mary James Nancy Ann James John M James m Polly Poor and had- Mary James M John Mimms William James M Mary Ann Varble and m Emily Bradley Elizabeth James m Tillman West Nancy Gardner James m George Hite Thomas Martin James m Susan Woodward Drury Woodson James m Mary Louisa Dunn Robert Sallee James m Zerelda Cole and had- Alexander Franklin James (Frank) Susan Lavenia James Jesse Woodson James (Jesse) --------------------------------- Date: Wed Jun 03 1992 09:31:40 From: Carolyn James To: Marilyn Berry Subj: Jesse JAMES ------------------------------- Hi Carol, I saw that you had sent me the legend E-Mail but couldnt get it. When I tried to get hold of my sysop the whole thing went bannanas and started saying the same thing over and over. Hope I didnt break something. Is it possible to send it by regular mail? My address is- Carolyn James #6 Buskirk Ln. Peralta NM 87042 If you cant then I understand. Any how, about the Andersons, all I have is on two of them who married into the Mims family. I think they were brothers- Benjamin Anderson m Judith Mims 26 Jan 1769 George Anderson m Susanna Mims 23 Mar 1769 Judith and Susanna were sisters and relatives of Zerelda Mims who married Jesse James. They were cousins by the way. Thanks, Carolyn --------------------------------- Date: Wed Jun 03 1992 16:00:33 From: Richard Pence To: Viola Jones Subj: JESSE JAMES ------------------------------- I missed the opening of this thread somehow, so I don't know who's looking for what. However, I have a book entitled "Background of a Bandit - The Ancestry of Jesse JAMES." I did a little research on Frank and Jesse because of their closeness to Bud and Donnie PENCE in their native Clay County, MO. The James family came from KY to MO, and before that from VA, as did the PENCEs, albeit from different counties in both states. One biography of Jesse (by a Dr. Settles of OK U) says the JAMES family was related to the PENCE family; however I can find no connection. I have met and talked with Dr. Settles about this and also met and corresponded with the wife of Jesse's grandson (great grandson?), Mrs. Lawrence Barr. In 1984 I spoke on the possible relationships at the annual meeting of The Friends of the James Farm at the farm in Kearny, MO. This farm is directly across the road from the PENCE homestead. Bud (Thomas Edward) and Donnie (Alexander Doniphan) PENCE were original participants in the "first" bank robbery in the U.S. at Liberty, MO, along with Frank and Jesse. The PENCEs fled to Nelson County, KY, where Donnie became the sheriff and the homes of Don and Bud were often havens for the JAMES brothers. A collection of pictures found among the effects of a granddaughter of Bud PENCE, now at the State Archives in Frankfort, contains one of the few authentic photos of Jesse. (Yep - most of those you see are fakes - including those in the Time-Life series on outlaws.) Let me know what you need and I'll check the book. 旼컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴� � This file is from The Source of Magic, Ridgefield CT � � 203-431-4687, source for genealogy, radio, & Windows � 읕컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴� Date: Sat Jun 13 1992 10:29:20 From: Carolyn James To: Carol Murry Subj: Re: Jesse James/Quantrell Attr: GENEALOGY ------------------------------- Really enjoyed your message and let me know how much I owe you for postage, etc. Funny thing about legends, they are usually based on some kind of fact. My Grandmother was born in McKinney Texas. Her father was cousin to Sam Bass and a deputy with him at Denton. The gossips in the Merrill baranch of the family say he was a member of the Bass gang which I sort of halfway believe because after Sam was killed at Round Rock he turned up in Sherman, Texas and bought a huge ranch. Another thing they say which really ticks me off is that he was the one that turned Sam in and set up the ambush. This isnt true because I have researched it and found the real culprits name. Thats one reason I am concentrating of the Merrill line, so I can shove it in their face and say "There! See!" [grin]. Good talking to you. Carolyn --- Opus-CBCS 1.14 * Origin: Innovative Systems, Las Cruces, NM (505) 526-1221 (1:305/103.0) Date: Sat Jun 13 1992 10:43:27 From: Carolyn James To: Richard Pence Subj: Re: JAMES FAMILY Attr: GENEALOGY ------------------------------- Richard, this is so nice of you and anything you can give me will be gratly appreciated. My address; Carolyn James PO Box 839 Peralta, NM 87042 --- Opus-CBCS 1.14 * Origin: Innovative Systems, Las Cruces, NM (505) 526-1221 (1:305/103.0) Date: Sun Jun 07 1992 02:53:19 From: Carol Murry To: Carolyn James Subj: Jesse James/Quantrell Attr: GENEALOGY ------------------------------- Hi Carolyn, Just had to drop a line to let you know about the area of Kentucky Town, Texas. I lived there for a couple of years. The south pasture of the farm I lived on was the winter encampment of Quantrell and his raiders. This included Jesse and Frank. The house that I lived in was a very old one, and the sherrif that orig. built the home had it commandeared by Jesse for a few days. Jesse's sister who lived in Sherman would leave a lamp in the window if the Law was on Jesse's tail. If the lamp was off he new it was safe to stop and visit. I collected tons of little tid bits about Quantrell, Jesse, and Frank while I lived there, to many to mention here. Leave me a snail mail address, and I will get copies of them made for you. The Kentucky town librara lot of information on it's famous outlaws, Also on Bonnie and Clyde as well. They were all heros to the area folks, not outlaws. They were well protected when they were in the area. Let me know if you want copies of the info I collected. --- D'Bridge 1.30/001939 * Origin: THE FAMILY ROOTS - HST - (1:147/45) Date: Sun Jun 14 1992 00:07:56 From: Richard Pence To: Viola Jones Subj: JAMES Attr: GENEALOGY ------------------------------- VJ> Is there any mention of MONROE county, TN, or surname JONES or VJ> WILLIAMS mentioned in the book? The book in question is "Jesse James Was His Name," by William A. Settle, Jr., University of Nebraska Press, 1977. Dr. Settle was/is a professor at the University of Oklahoma. Page 36: "Of nine men said to have been recognized among the bandits at Liberty [MO, on 13 Feb 1866], six had served with QUANTRILL, as Frank and Jesse had. These were Oliver SHEPHERD, Bud PENCE, Donny PENCE, Frank GREGG, James WILKERSON, and Joab PERRY. Others accused were Red Monkus, Ben Cooper and Bill Wilkerson. The PENCES were relatives of the JAMES brothers. * * * [After a robbery in Richmond MO 22 May 1867] "newspapers reported the issuance of warrants for the arrest of Dick BURNS, Payne JONES, one FLANNERY, Andy McGUIRE, and Allen PARMER, all of whom were Quantrill men, and James and John WHITE. JONES, McGUIRE, and PARMER had surrendered and been paroled in Kentucky with Frank JAMES [as had been Bud and Donny PENCE]. ... P. J. MISEREZ of Kansas City and his posse located Payne JONES at the home of his father near Independence, but JONES escaped after killing a member of the posse and a small girl who got in the line of fire. ... JONES and BURNS were both murdered in the next few months..." Three other JONESes are mentioned: Lycurgus, a newspaper editor at Pleasant Hill, MO, brother-in-law of the YOUNGERS; Jefferson, a state legislator from Calloway County, MO, who introduced a resolution calling for amnesty for the JAMESes, YOUNGERs, and others; and R. H., a minister of Lathrop MO who officiated at Jesse's funeral. Page 163: "Between 1892 and 1894 he [Frank JAMES] tended horses for Shep WILLIAMS, an importer of livestock, and lived at Paris, Texas; ..." That's the only WILLIAMS mentioned; there is no mention of Monroe County, TN. BTW - Settle was not sure where he picked up the reference to the PENCEs and JAMESes being related and I believe it not to be true. However, Frank (Alexander Franklin) JAMES and Bud (Thomas Edward) PENCE was almost exactly the same age, as were Jesse JAMES and Donny (Alexander Doniphan) PENCE and they were next door neighbors as boys and lifelong friends. Donny and Bud fled to Nelson County, KY, after the Liberty holdup and there married sisters named SAMUEL_S_. Jesse and Frank's mother's 3rd husband was Reuben SAMUEL. There is some speculation that the supposed relationship may have been through SAMUEL/SAMUELS. However, the SAMUELS family genealogist (then an official with Marker's Mark distillery, which the family owned) has said he can find no connection between the SAMUELS family of Kentucky and Dr. SAMUEL. Mr. SAMUELS said he has in his possession a letter from Frank James that says that when Frank and the others surrendered at the close of the Civil War and were paroled they went immediately to the home of Wilson SAMUELS in Nelson County. Wilson was the father of the future brides of Bud and Donny PENCE. Later when the PENCE brothers fled Clay County, MO, after the Liberty holdup they again went to the home of Wilson SAMUELS. No one seems to know the reason for this. --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: CPAFUG BBS (1:109/422) Date: Fri Aug 21 1992 22:40:00 From: Bob Underdown To: Mike Ringgold Subj: JAMES Attr: GENEALOGY ------------------------------- MR> CAN ANYONE SEND ME THE FAMILY HISTORY OF JESSE JAMES FROM HIS MR> DEATH TILL PRESENT TIME? MR> I thought my Great Great Grandmother was a distant relation, so I found a good book on the James Family called JESSE AND FRANK JAMES: THE FAMILY HISTORY by Phillip W. Steele published by Pelican Publishing Company. Here's a bit of data gleamed from the book: 01 Robert Sallee James (James Brother's Father) Born on 17-Jul-1818 Died on 18-Aug-1850 Sp Zerelda Cole Born on 29-Jan-1825 Died on 10-Feb-1911 02 Alexander Franklin James (FRANK) Born on 10-Jan-1843 Died on 15-Feb-1915 Sp Anna Ralston 03 Robert Franklin James Born on 6-Feb-1878 Died on 18-Nov-1959 02 Robert R. James Born on 19-Jul-1845 Died on 21-Aug-1845 02 Jesse Woodson James (JESSE) Born on 5-Sep-1847 Died on 3-Apr-1882 Sp Zerelda Amanda Mimms Born on 21-Jul-1845 Died on 13-Nov-1900 03 Jesse Edward James Born on 31-Aug-1875 Died on 26-Mar-1951 Sp Stella McGowan 04 Lucille Martha James Born on 21-Dec-1900 Died on 17-Jun-1988 Sp Frank Lewis 05 James Curtis Lewis Born on 28-Nov-1935 Sp Angelica Gloria Alvarado 06 Christopher James Lewis Born on 15-Jan-1959 06 Jennifer Angelica Lewis Born on 23-Jul-1965 04 Josephine Francis James Born on 20-Apr-1902 Died on 31-Mar-1964 Sp Ronald Ross 05 James Randal Ross Born on 6-Jul-1926 Sp Rosemary Henderson 06 Bonnie Ross Born on 30-Apr-1957 06 Randal Glenn Ross Born on 9-Aug-1961 06 David James Ross Born on 27-Jul-1963 06 Elizabeth Danielle Ross Born on 29-Nov-1968 04 Jessie Estelle James Born on 27-Aug-1906 Died on 2-Feb-1937 Sp Mervyn Baumel 05 Donald James Baumel Born on 24-Mar-1933 05 Diane June Baumel Born on 24-Mar-1933 Sp James Fairchild 06 Michael James Fairchild Born on 7-Mar-1960 04 Ethel Rose James Born on 10-Jul-1908 Sp Calvin T. Owen 03 Gould James 03 Montgomery James 03 Mary Susan James Born on 17-Jun-1879 Died on 11-Oct-1935 Sp Henry Lafayette Barr 04 Lawrence H. Barr Born on 16-Oct-1902 Died on 25-Feb-1984 Sp Thelma Duncan Born on 21-Jan-1906 05 Elizabeth Ann Barr Born on 11-Oct-1937 04 Forster Barr Born on 11-Oct-1904 Died on 23-Jun-1977 Sp Gertie Essary Born on 11-May-1914 04 Chester A. Barr Born on 27-May-1907 Died on 22-Mar-1984 Sp Beatrice Holloway 05 Frederick Arthur Barr Born on 8-Sep-1937 04 Henrietta Barr Born on 14-Mar-1913 Died on 10-Oct-1913 02 Susan Lavenia James Born on 25-Nov-1849 Died on 3-Mar-1889 Sp Allen H. Parmer Born on 6-May-1848 03 Robert Archie Parmer Born on - -1872 Died on 9-Jul-1883 03 Flora Parmer Born on 13-Jun-1877 Died on - -1926 Sp William Benson 03 Zelma Parmer Born on 19-Dec-1879 Died on 6-Feb-1972 Sp George R. Edwards 03 Allen Parmer Jr Born on - -1882 Died on - -1885 03 Susan Kate Parmer Born on 25-Dec-1885 Died on 6-Oct-1903 03 Feta Parmer Born on 14-Sep-1887 Died on 20-Aug-1978 Sp Bert A. Rose 03 ??? Parmer Born on 2-Mar-1889 Died on 2-Mar-1889 --- Msged/Q 1.60 * Origin: GASLIGHT MAIL Fayetteville, Arkansas (1:391/1040.1) Date: Mon Sep 14 1992 20:43:14 From: Daryl Mathews To: All Subj: JESSE JAMES Attr: GENEALOGY ------------------------------- I have seen alot of messages about Jesse JAMES lately and this article was in the Houston Chronicle Monday, Sept. 14, 1992, section A page 4. by Deb Riechmann, Associated Press "Hagerstown, MD.- A letter long buried in the federal Archives indicates the U.S. government helped bomb the home of notorious bandit Jesse James, killing his half brother and maiming his mother, a historian claims. "this is the smoking gun," said Ted Yeatman, who for two decades has studied the James gang, which robbed banks, and trains and stagecoaches in the Midwest more than a century ago. "If this thing had come out in the 1870s, it would have been like some new revelation in the Iran-Contra case," he said. James was well-known as a criminal. though some saw him as a Robin Hood who robbed unregulated railroads and banks suspected of overcharging common people trying to make a living on the western frontier. People began pitying James after an explosion Jan. 26, 1875, at the family's log farmhouse outside Kearney, Mo. James was miles away at the time, and the blast killed his 8-year-old half-brother and caused his mother to loose her right forearm. The explosion shocked the region. The Missouri Legislature hired an investigator to look into the blast, but he gave up, saying he could not get anyone to testify under oath. The cause of the blast has been debated ever since. Initially, Historians thought lawmen threw flares into the house to illuminate it, and one exploded. They suspected Allen Pinkerton, director of the Pinkerton National Detective Agency and founder of the Secret Service, was a key player in the attack. Yeatman said he found a letter last year at the Library of Congress in Washington that proves Pinkerton indeed was involved. In the letter, Pinkerton wrote to P.H. Woodward, a special agent for the U.S. Post Office in Washington, to keep the postal service abreast of his efforts to apprehend James. Yeatman said Pinkerton was working for the postal service because the James gang was believed to have looted mail during a train robbery in Gads Hill, Mo. Then with fellow researcher Fred Egloff of Chicago, Yeatman found another letter in the National Archives in Chicago that he says shows a Pinkerton agent got a bomb from the U.S. Arsenal in Rock Island,Ill. "What's the U.S. Army doing handing out explosives to be used against civilians?" Yeatman Asks. In that letter, Civil War Gen. Philip H. Sheridan wrote to the arsenal on Dec. 24, 1874- a month before the explosion rocked the Jame's home - to introduce the arsenal commander to a Pinkerton agent named R.J. Linden. Sheridan wrote Linden was seeking materials from the arsenal to "aid in arresting certain railroad robbers." "Linden's visit to rock Island Arsenal puts new perspective on the incendiary device used at the James' house," Egloff wrote in a special October issue of True West, a western history Magazine. "If Pinkerton agents intended to use just a flare, or some basic flammable material,they would have had no need of help from government munitions experts." That the government might have supplied the bomb "does not surprise me at all." California Superior Court Judge James R. Ross,James' oldest living descendent. "Its a logical connection. The Pinkertons were so tied in with the government." Pinkerton never caught up with James. who was killed by a fellow gang member in April 1882 in St. Joseph Mo. James' brother frank surrendered the following October, but after several trails walked away a free man. I hope this helps anyone researching Jesse James. --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Family Research Center! Deer Park, TX (713)476-0667 (1:106/122)