COLE by Tim Cole 10 May 1990 ------------------------------------------------ I have been researching my family and believe I stem from James of Plymouth through Hugh the first. In James Cole of Plymouth there is a comment that the lines of Bethuel and Aarron Cole are lost after the brothers moved further into New York. Family tradition has it that Bethuel Cole was my ggggg-grandfather and that he finally ( or a similarly named son) resided in Norwalk, Ohio along with two brothers, David and Attrusha (must have been a son, Bethuel, Sr. must have stayed in New York (maybe around Cayuga Co.). My problem is establishing a link with the brother David in Ohio. My ggg-grandfather was Edward Paine Cole, b 1807 Cayuga Co., NY, moved to Norwalk 1814-15 with his family, has two documented sisters, Carthaette and Cordelia. J. Timothy Cole 841 NSR 49, Chesterton, IN 46304 164/932 25 May 90 20:20:00 From: Perry Hutchison To: Frank Williams Subj: Re: COLE Attr: ------------------------------------------------ Mary Du Bose b.1765 m.Daniel Cole b.1760 St.James Parish,S.C.ch.Thomas Cole sp. Elizabeth Horn.----Perry Hutchison, Family History Info.Exchange.BBS Panama City,FL --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Reg) * Origin: FAMILY HISTORY IE (9600)Panama City,FL(904)785-0737 (1:3608/6) 151/100 271/245 111/684 27 May 90 01:46:12 From: Tim Cole To: Bob Forsythe Subj: Re: COLE Attr: ------------------------------------------------ Thnaks, Bob, I'll do that. But, the Cole name literally abounds across this country. In the area of New York that you refer to, Cole is so common that roads and intersections and buildings, parks, and bushes and shrubs bear the name. An American Indian family living here in my home town in Indiana is from the St. Regis Reservation, and their name is Cole. My family lived for about 30-40 years in Cayuga Co., New York. When I visited that area in the early sixties I found numerous Coles in the phone books in each little town I wen through. But I never made any contacts, perhaps that was the mistake. I will check out Jefferson Co., however, you never know... --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: NGS/CIG BBS - Arlington, VA (703) 528-2612 *DHST/V.32* (109/302) 141/250 261/1023 322/1 112/684 27 May 90 01:58:46 From: Tim Cole To: Frank Williams Subj: Re: COLE Attr: ------------------------------------------------ King resides in Indianapolis where he owns a 12 or 13 story building right on the Circle and operates ( and has for at least 30 years, probably longer) a successful and very expensive restaurant called King Cole's. I believe he stems from the Cole Automobile family. Many of the Coles in Indiana come from New York state, usually coming to Indiana in the early to mid 1800's and living in N.Y. from about the 1790's into the 1800's. I have found that many of them moved westward because they tended to be Loyalists and didn't feel very welcome further east. King Cole? According to some early British histories, yes. In about the 3rd or 4th century - probably a descendant of an early Roman soldier and a Britisher, as King (COEL) Cole fought against the Romans in an effort to free the country. His daughter, Helen, married Constantine, and his wife was the daughter of the king of Wales, some unspellable, unpronounceable name that looks like Conan. I tell my kids that they're descended from Conan the Barbarian. So, perhaps there was a powerful king of England named Cole. --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: NGS/CIG BBS - Arlington, VA (703) 528-2612 *DHST/V.32* (109/302) 141/250 261/1023 322/1 122/908 28 May 90 22:32:48 From: Helen Chandler To: Louis Ogden Subj: Ambrose Cole Attr: ------------------------------------------------ Here's what I have, Amy. It's from Deane's HISTORY OF SCITUATE. AMBROSE COLE purchased lands of Capt. Stephen Otis, in the Conihassett 1695. His house stood on the Cohasset road, forty rods southeast of Bound brook bridge, on the north-east of the way. His first wife's name was Silencd___and his second Abigail Sutton, 1715. His children, William born 1693, Ambrose 1695, Ensign 1698, Ann 1701, David 1704, Jonathan 1707, James 1716. Ambrose married Elizabeth Lincoln 1721. Children, Elizabeth born 1721, Amos 1722. Ensign married Sarah Peaks 1726. Children, Desire born 1732, Ruth 1734, Ensign 1737, Lucy 1742. Blach 1732. Children, Lydia born 1733, Sarah 1736, Jonathan 1739. David married Sarah Balch 1732/ Children Lydia born 1733, Sarah 1736, Jonathan 1739. James married Sarah White 1745. Children, Mary b. 1746, Sarah 1748, James 1750, Mehitabel 1753, Desire 1756, Charles 1759, Nabby 1763, Enoch 1766. Charles is now living(1831) and has numerous family here and in Boston. William (son of David) left a family, viz. Wiulliam born 1766, Charlotte 1768, Oliver 1771, Elizabeth 1774, David 1776, (died 1830), Ambrose 1779, Rachel 1782, Gridley 1784, Bradock 1787. Ambrose is of Charlestown. Ambrose, sen. died 1738, and names in his will "sons Ambrose, Ensignb, David, James, Jonathan and daughter Ann Sutton." There was James Cole in Plymouth 1653. He removed to old York, soon after that date. Ambrose may have been ihs son. There was a Job Cole in Plymoujth 1634, who married Rebecca Collier. Error lines 12 & 13 Are you in the Foxwell and Shelly line--I am. Helen --- TosScan 1.00 * Origin: Ramblin' Roots * Miami, FL * (305) 221-1571 (1:135/54) 725 371/1302 3611/1 Date: Tue Apr 28 1992 06:32:00 From: Bonnie Bunce To: Richard Ohrn Subj: COLE Attr: GENEALOGY ------------------------------- RO> I read your request for information on the COLE line, and RO> thought I would send RO> out a message to you and see if you have any connection to RO> a Charles Harrison RO> COLE, born 1855, in Maine. Would you please check and see RO> if his name rings RO> a bell. Thanks, Richard Ohrn. RO> --- Blue Wave/Max v2.05 [NR] RO> * Origin: The GeneSplicer's BBS, Las Vegas, Nv. RO> (1:209/720.0) Richard, I don't have any information on Coles from Maine. My family seems to have stayed in Massachusetts for several generations. My g.g. grandfather lived in New Hampshire for a while between 1880-1885, and also lived at Carlisle, Indiana for a time, but eventually moved back to Mass. and died there. Sorry I can't help. Someone has published a book called something like "Descendents of James Cole" who settled in Massachusetts in the 1600's. A man on the Prodigy genealogy board told people he would check the book for anyone who asked. If you have access to Prodigy, his name is Raymond Cole. You could just post a message under "Genealogy Surnames" with a reference line of Cole, and he would probably see it. Good luck. --- TosScan(q) 1.00 * Origin: TMS/JFF Here! Root Cellar Too!! 303-770-3217 HST (1:104/330) Date: Sat May 16 1992 01:28:48 From: Belva Mccullough To: Richard Ohrn Subj: COLE Attr: GENEALOGY ------------------------------- Hi Richard, Just returned from a trip to SLC and am busy trying to catch up on all the Msgs I've missed. Was surprised to see your post regarding Charles Harrison COLE. I am a descendant of his half- brother, George Lincoln COLE. I have quite a bit of data on this family, and would be more than happy to share with you what I have. DESCENDANCY CHART 15 May 1992 Page 1 =========================================================================== == === 1-- John COLE Sr.-250 (1730-1796) sp-Elizabeth ELWELL-314 (1731) 2-- John Jr. COLE-249 (1760-1815) sp-Lucretia WOODSUM-313 (1762-1839) 3-- Abner COLE-1062 (1782) 3-- Noah COLE-248 (1786-1868) sp-Hannah WALLACE-315 (1789-1865) 4-- Harrison COLE-246 (-1891) sp-Betsy Perkins FLANDERS-247 (1824-1847) 5-- Arabine COLE-253 sp-Benjamin HUNTER-258 6-- Lester HUNTER-259 6-- Lottie HUNTER-260 6-- Annie HUNTER-261 5-- George Lincoln COLE-12 (1843-1901) sp-Alida Jeanette LATHROP-13 (1854-1917) 6-- Louise COLE-14 6-- Georgia Winifred COLE-10 (1879-1936) sp-Earl Francis BRACE-9 (1877-1940) 7-- Lyle Francis BRACE-3 (1904) sp-Dorothy Marian KENT-4 (1901-1988) 8-- Earl Kent BRACE-5 (1933) sp-Barbara Jean HOWARD-785 (1936) 8-- Belva Jean BRACE-1 (1938) sp-William Gale DAVIS-2 (1931-1977) sp-Orval Preston MCCULLOUGH-507 (1923) 7-- Neil Cole BRACE-11 (1907-1990) 6-- Teresa Alida COLE-15 (1880) sp-David Danner JENKINS-251 7-- David Danner Jr. JENKINS-252 (1907) 6-- Ethel Gertrude COLE-16 sp-Laura B SNAVELY-1077 5-- Elizabeth Perkins COLE-254 (1845) sp-Melvin STEVENS-262 6-- Mabel STEVENS-263 6-- Waldo Benard STEVENS-264 sp-Mary Jane BROWN-255 5-- Charles COLE-256 sp-BRAZEE 5-- Myra COLE-257 (-1931) 4-- Amos m COLE-901 (1818-1895) sp-Abigal A COLE-902 (1828-1908) 5-- Etta A COLE-903 sp-Elwin A PARKMAN-907 5-- Louise L COLE-904 sp-Robert CLARK-906 5-- Augusta COLE-905 sp-Ferdinand S HODGKINS-908 4-- Nancy E COLE-316 (1822) 4-- Almira B COLE-317 (1831-1853) 3-- William COLE-1063 (1789) 3-- Isaac COLE-1064 (1791) 3-- Amos COLE-1065 (1792) 3-- Woodsum COLE-1066 (1795) 3-- Abiathar COLE-1067 (1797) 3-- Enoch COLE-1068 (1800) 3-- Elisha COLE-1069 (1803) =========================================================================== == 3-- Lydia COLE-1070 (1805) 2-- Joseph COLE-909 (1778) sp-Isabella BERRY-910 (1776-1862) 3-- John COLE-911 (1817-1862) sp-Nancy DENNETT-912 4-- Frank COLE-913 sp-Sarah Rebecca STACY-914 5-- Nana Marion COLE-915 sp-Lewis Lombard PECK-916 4-- Abbie COLE-917 sp-Charles CARR-918 5-- Florence E CARR-919 ================================================================= Please post your smail address and I will send you what documentation I have, and additional information. You might let me know what you already have. You might have more than I! I hope you have some *proof* regarding Harrison being the son of Noah. I have searched to no avail. Either post here or write to me. Belva McCullough, --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: NGS/CIG BBS - Arlington, VA (703) 528-2612 *DHST/V.32* (1:109/302) Date: Sat Jun 27 1992 17:26:00 From: Bonnie Bunce To: Jim Geddis Subj: Nellie Cole Attr: GENEALOGY ------------------------------- Jim, this is my second answer to your response to my query to Patti Couture on my Cole family. As I said in my earler message to you, my Nellie Cole was probably born about 50 years earlier than your mother, but after I logged off the BBS, I realized that perhaps your Joseph Cole in Swansea might have had other children. Do you know if he had a son named Leonard B. Cole b. Massachusetts in 1812. I know that he was my great-great grandfather from my grandfather and also from probate records. All I know about him is that he was b. in Mass. about 1812 (from 1850 MA census) and d. at Leominster, Worcester Co., MA in August 1885 (from probate record). His wife was supposed to have been Mary Harris, who, I think, was the daughter of the Daniel Harris and Nancy Harris residing with the family in 1850. I found a marriage record for a Daniel Harris of Lunenberg and Nancy Elder of Lancaster in a book on births, marriages and death records of Lancaster, MA from 1643-1850. They were m. 1-Jan-1801, which might have been the same two who were living with Leonard B. Cole & Mary Cole in Leominster, MA in 1850. From the census, Mary (Harris) Cole was b. about 1814. Anyway, could you please check your records and see if you have any record of a Leonard B. Cole. Would appreciate it very much. --- QuickBBS 2.75 Ovr * Origin: LDS Reading Room - Aurora, CO (303)343-1665 24/hrs (1:104/513) Date: Mon Jul 06 1992 08:05:01 From: Bonnie Bunce To: Tim Cole Subj: COLE FAMILY Attr: GENEALOGY ------------------------------- * In a message originally to Allan Cole, Tim Cole said: TC> We've talked before and ascertained that we're not from TC> even close branches. BUT, why are there so many Coles? TC> Just how old is the name and where are its roots in England TC> -- I know you scoff at Ol' King Cole -- as the Coel of Tim, my mother's maiden name was Cole, and in researching her family I came across a book called "Genealogy of the Cole Family" by J. Wilson Cole c. 1939. In it he gives the origin of the Cole name: "Several variations of the origin of the name of Cole are given by te authorities on the subject. One is that the name was derived from the Latin 'coleus' of 'coel', meaning 'a sacred or heavenly person.' Another is that the name was a contraction of 'agricola' which meant a 'tiller of the soil.' It is found in the Domesday Book in the form of Cola and on other ancient records in various forms of Coles, Cowle, Coales and Cole. As late as the 17th century the name was still written in several different forms." "It is said that the most remote of the ancestors of the family was Old King Cole, of the famous nursery rhyme, who ascended his throne about 238 A.D. He was the ruler of that part of Britain, which is today known as the counties of Essex and Hertford and as North Wales." If the story above about the name of Cole being derived from "agricola" is correct, it could explain why there are so many Coles. Farming was the major activity of the human race for generations, almost everyone was a farmer. That's the explanation given for the surname "Smith" you know, every town in England had a blacksmith. --- TosScan(q) 1.00 * Origin: TMS/JFF Here! 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