BALDWIN in CT by Sandy Clunies 18 March 1990 ------------------------------------------------ Richard BALDWIN m. 1642 Elizabeth ALSOP was the son of Sylvester BALDWIN Jr. who died on the voyage to America 1638. Sylvester was the son of Sylvester BALDWIN Sr. = Jane WELLS of Aston Clinton, Bucks, ENG. Sylvester Jr.'s widow Sarah BRYANT remar. 1640 Capt. John ASTWOOD and her 6 BALDWIN children remained in America. Sylvester BALDWIN Sr. was son of Henry BALDWIN and Alice KING, and Henry BALDWIN was the son of Richard BALDWIN = Ellen POOKE. I descend from this latter couple. So, it looks like this: Richard BALDWIN = Ellen POOKE Henry BALDWIN(-1602) = Alice KING Richard BALDWIN = Isabell .Sylvester BALDWIN Sr.=Jane WELLS .Sarah BALDWIN = John SEARLE ..Sylvester BALDWIN Jr. =Sarah BRYANT ...Richard BALDWIN = Elizabeth ALSOP ....Sylvanus BALDWIN = Mildred PRUDDEN My ancestor Sarah BALDWIN had 3 brothers who settled in CT also: Timothy and Nathaniel to Milford CT and Joseph who went on to Hadley, MA. Carolyn Adams of this Echo descends from Joseph BALDWIN. So, all these early BALDWIN families were kin - from Aston Clinton, Bucks, ENG - but not all of them close! Richard who m. ALSOP would have been a 3rd cousin to my generation of BALDWIN descendants. I refer you to NEHGR 38:161, and the huge "Baldwin Genealogy" by C.C. Baldwin. 012/851 04 Jun 90 06:42:00 From: Sandy Clunies To: Larry Mccurdy Subj: BALDWIN FAMILY Attr: ------------------------------------------------ Hi, Larry. Another Aston Clinton, Bucks. BALDWIN desc. here: Richard BALDWIN .Richard BALDWIN (will 1552/3) = Ellen POOKE (APUKE) ..Richard BALDWIN (will 1630) = Isabell --- (brother of your Henry) ...Sarah BALDWIN = 2. Alexander EDWARDS However, my data prior to Richard and Ellen differs from yours. I just returned from 5 days at NEHGS and didn't note the 1) Robert, 2) William lines, not any "royal" lines back from this family. Would be very interested in exchanging primary/secondary sources. My address is: 6 Briardale Ct., Derwood, MD 20855. My BALDWIN sources to date have been: CC Baldwin's "The Baldwin Gen. & the Supp."; NEHGR 26; NEHGR 38 + classic refs. like Savage and Torrey. The ref that Henry (-1602) BALDWIN's wife was Alice KING: that her will is dated 1622, and that she occupied the manor at Dundridge/Donrigge comes from the NEHGR articles. Look forward to hearing from you ! ---Sandy --- msged 1.99S ZTC * Origin: GreyEagle_Point/346 <* Derwood, MD *> (1:109/312.346) 141/250 261/1023 109/851 4 Jun 90 17:53:24 From: John Apel To: Ben Baldwin Subj: BALDWIN/Wells Attr: ------------------------------------------------ I just received a genealogy today and thought you might be interested. If so let me know because there is more. John Wells b. 1756 Chester Co. Pa. m. Catherine Stradling. John Bought 100 acres of land in short creek twp Jefferson Co. Ohio in 1807. John d. 7 Apr 1826 in Harrison Co. Ohio . They had 6 children one of which Mary Wells b. 24 July 1784 m. David Morris. Mary & David had one child John Thomas Morris b. 21 Mar 1817 he married Jane Hood. Thomas d. 28 Jan 1899. They had 12 children. Hannah Ann Morris was b. 20 Jun 1850 Harrison Co. Ohio. She married Adam Fordney BALDWIN b. 1 Oct 1848 Harrison Co. Ohio, son of Joseph Davis and margaret Fordney BALDWIN. They had 2 children 1. Cora M. Baldwin b. 1873. 2. Charles Erwin Baldwin b. 14 Oct 1877. Erwin M Baldwin married Mary Martha Shores. Let me know if this fits your BALEWIN line. Will keep looking. --- * Origin: Chicago's BIT WIZ Opus HST (Net 115 NEC) (Opus 1:115/689) 124/4115 159/650 260/228 274/13 149/835 12 Jun 90 22:59:56 From: Larry Mccurdy To: Sandy Clunies Subj: Baldwin Attr: ------------------------------------------------ Sandy, Sorry it has taken so long to get back with you. School is ending and we had a graduating Senior, so to say the least we have been busy! Our sources in the BALDWIN line are the baldwin geneology by C. C. Baldwin which others have been referring to and History of the Baldwins in Europe and England from 672 to 1640. Some how I do not have the author of the latter. Much of our early researching was done with out the aid of a copier; we were allowed only to copy by hand! We did not document as carefully as we should have at that time. The connection to the "Royal Line comes by way of Agnes Dormer and her grandmother a COLERIDGE. I think another two generations back and this family marries into the Fitz-Alan Family which quickly gets into the nobles and then into the Plantagenet Family. We have tried to be careful in adding generations; trying hard not to add eroneous material. If we can be of any help please let us know or if you have more information you feel we should have please let us know. Kathy and Larry --- Maximus-CBCS v1.00 * Origin: Colonial Family Research: (517) 882-0717 Lansing,MI (1:159/525) 124/4115 159/525 237/500 271/245 090/698 13 Jun 90 07:22:13 From: Sandy Clunies To: Larry Mccurdy Subj: Baldwin Attr: ------------------------------------------------ I question the genealogical acceptance of that royal connection. The NEHGS is very careful about disproving many long-standing fantasies about royal connections which have been carried in family histories for years. To the best of my knowledge, the BALDWIN family of CT is NOT recognized as having PROVEN royal links. I am trying to maintain quality scholarship and standards to my work - I refer you to "The Source" (the valuable genealogical handbook) which lists (p. 685): Frederick Lewis Weis. Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists.... 5th ed. with additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. (Balt. Gen. Pub. Co. 1976) and Frederick Lewis Weis and Arthur Adams. The Magna Carta Sureties:1215... 2d ed. with additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. (Balt. - Gen. Pub. Co. 1979) which "are the only editions with acceptable proof for the various royal and baronial linesage societies.." Weis does not list BALDWIN. There are VERY FEW American colonists with royal links - and unless I saw something very NEW in primary research, I would discount any reports that the BALDWIN family was so connected. When I first started out, I fell into the trap of believing what I saw on any printed page. Gary Boyd Roberts of NEHGS studied my crude pedigree chart once and ripped it to shreds! I was then confronted with a decision: did I want to find the MOST ACCURATE history of my family's past, or did I just copy anything I found which PLEASED me ?! Given the hundreds of hours I invest in this project, I chose the first. So, I am really tough on this Echo with pals who pass along unproven information without qualifying it. Words like "tradition says", or "it is claimed" clearly remove any data from proven status. If you do choose to continue to keep this BALDWIN royal link in your genealogical database, I would just ask that you footnote it carefully and add that such information is NOT yet proven. And that you can back up any data you share with complete source references so that the reader can evaluate it. Happy hunting! ---Sandy --- msged 1.99S ZTC * Origin: GreyEagle_Point/346 <* Derwood, MD *> (1:109/312.346) 141/250 261/1023 417/869 10 Jul 90 23:40:23 From: Fred Maier To: Chuck Krause Subj: Re: BALDWIN Attr: ------------------------------------------------ Your John BALDWIN was b. Feb 19, 1614/15 in Aston Clinton, Bucks, Eng. Married Mary RICHARDSON 15 May 1655 in Billerica, MA. Was the brother of my Henry BALDWIN. THeir Parents were Richard BALDWIN & Phillippa (?). This from the Baldwin Genealogy by Charles Candee Baldwin. From "English Origins of N.E. Families" 2nd series Vol. 1 by Roberts - List wills and investigations of Baldwin Family list your John Baldwin. Check pages 74 thru 101. If you need any more specific info I will see if we can find it. The Baldwin Genealogy traces it back to 1400's. I will be away for about a week or more so if I fail to answer, send me another message. --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: The Fireside Houston, Texas (713)496-6319 (1:106/114.0) 3800/1 234/713 31 Jul 90 13:57:08 From: Glen Keeney To: All Subj: BALDWIN Attr: ------------------------------------------------ There has been BALDWIN traffic but I don't know who is interested. I ran across some in Allegany, Monroe and Tompkins Co. NY; some dates in early 1800. A couple "teasers" Phineas -> Anselm -> Lonson -> George Wilson (1839) BALDWIN Jacob -> Milo Fannin (1816) Sumner (m. FOSTER) -> John (1901) -> Elizabeth + 2 sisters BALDWIN If this sparks an interest, let me know: Glen KEENEY - 5914 Highgate - East Lansing MI 48823 --- Maximus-CBCS v1.00 * Origin: Colonial Family Research: (517) 882-0717 Lansing,MI (1:159/525) 233/5 269/101 382/1 326/713 1 Aug 90 20:07:44 From: Vernor Harris To: Dan Faries Subj: Re: PLUMB Attr: ------------------------------------------------ Dan, was reading over Anson Wade's shoulder re: your message subject above. Are you familiar with THE BALDWIN GENEALOGY, BY C.C. BALDWIN, published in 1881 and the Supplement published in 1888? These give a lot of Information on Mary BALDWIN and her ancestors, and a small amount on your Robert PLUM(B). If you have not seen this, it is usually available in larger genealogy libraries, but usually in microfische form. I could reproduce the info for you if you need it. (not on Mary's ancestors, that is to much). --Vernor-- --- Opus-CBCS 1.12 * Origin: The Bone Box (1:130/33.0) 24 264/160 Date: Tue Feb 12 1991 09:01:58 From: John Apel To: Ben Baldwin Subj: BALDWIN Attr: genealogy ------------------------------- Received a very good catalog from the Higginson Book Co. for $3 over 70 pages of family genealogies. There are 5 books on the Baldwin family. You might want to get the catalog. Higginson Books Derby Square Salem, Massachusetts 01970 Catalog number #9 page #7 One book went back to 1500 by C.C. Baldwin is $146.00 must have a great deal of info. Let me know if you find anything good. --- Opus-CBCS 1.14 * Origin: Chicago's BIT WIZ Opus HST (Net 115 NEC) (1:115/689.0) Date: Tue Feb 12 1991 17:45:42 From: John Apel To: Ben Baldwin Subj: Baldwin/Wells Attr: genealogy ------------------------------- While reading the Decendents of Governor Thomas Welles and his wife Alice Tomes I came across some Baldwin info. On page 63 there is information on Barnabas Baldwin son of Richard Baldwin and Elizabeth Alsop, he was married 3 times, Abigail, Mary. List children. Taken from Baldwin Genealogy, pp. 93, Families of Ancient New Haven, Milford Vital Records, Milford Church records. Let me know. --- Opus-CBCS 1.14 * Origin: Chicago's BIT WIZ Opus HST (Net 115 NEC) (1:115/689.0) Date: Thu May 23 1991 08:46:00 From: Rudy Buse To: Emil Kubiak Subj: Baldwin Attr: genealogy ------------------------------- Emil, I have a Sylvester BALDWIN "who was a landed proprietor at Aston-Clinton Bucks where he held the manor of Dundridge. In 1638 he joined Gov. Eaton and Rev. John Davenport who sailed from England with what was known as 'The New Haven Co.' and who became the founders of that town. According to the records BALDWIN died mid-ocean on the 'Martin.' His will was allowed in Boston." It sounds as if this is the son of the Sylvester you mention. I would be interested in exchanging information. My address is 861 Milmar Road, Newtown Sqauer, PA 19073. Rudy --- D'Bridge 1.30 demo/940503 * Origin: Philly Gamers PCBoard (1:273/405) (215)544-3757 (1:273/405) Date: Fri Jan 10 1992 09:49:07 From: Charles Scott To: Shryll Behn Subj: Re: Baldwin family Attr: GENEALOGY ------------------------------- Following is information Susan Woodruff Abbott's FAMILIES OF EARLY MILFORD, CT. The Joseph Baldwin who m Hannah Whitlock me/2 Isabel Northam, widow of James. She died 8 Dec 1676 & he married 3rd Elizabeth (Hitchcock) Warriner, widow of William, His son, Joseph, married Sarah Coley of Milford, daughter of Benjamin and they had 8 children. The eldest was Joseph who married Elizabeth Grover and moved to Malden, Mass. This is information, including details of the children of the first two Josephs appear on pages 2829 of the above book. It was the descendents of the Joseph Baldwin, who married Hannah Whitlock, who were among the Missionaries who came to Hawaii early in the 19th century. 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