| Date: | May 22 2001 09:29:34 EDT |
| From: | "Laura Naughton" <[email protected]> |
| Subject: | who else! |
Good morning everyone I sent an article from the NY Post by George King about David. I was having trouble with my computer so hopefully it will have sent to the list successfully. If not, take a look on-line (those of you not in NY) and read it. I think the title is "Mr. Perfect, now the perfect enemy". Sorry, I've been flooding your e-mail boxes lately, but I am really having a difficult time with this whole David vs. the Yankees thing. I can't even go to other forums lately b/c of all the terrible things they are saying about David. I can understand the bitterness and the hurt.. but to wish harm and overall bad sentiments is just plain mean-spirited!! By saying negative things against him, it's almost as though some people are jinxing our team for Wednesday!! I guess I find this place a bit of a safe haven! No one here will mock or distort what I say. I am a Yankee fan who still likes David Cone..nuff said!! In a way, I am glad I don't live in NY. I wouldn't know what to do. Part of me just doesn't want to see this game at all- which is very likely if ESPN doesn't carry it ;) Anyone else feel this way too? Just doing some good old fashion venting here! :) Have a great day! Laura |
| Date: | May 22 2001 10:04:40 EDT |
| From: | "Hybert, Suzette" <[email protected]> |
| Subject: | RE: who else! |
Hi Laura & everyone else! I'm having a real hard time with this, too. I guess my "ideal" compromise would be for a pitchers' duel where David is still on a pitch count (does anyone know if he is? I think so, but I'm not sure) and he leaves the game without giving up any runs. Then the Yankees erupt and win the game against the bullpen. I know, I know... some people want him to get the win, but I personally can't take it that far. If he can show great control and velocity, and lower his ERA at the same time, I think it'll be a good step forward and he'll be able to take a lot of positives away from the outing. Just call me the "Happy Mediator", Sue |
| Date: | May 22 2001 10:07:09 EDT |
| From: | "Alyson Muldoon" <[email protected]> |
| Subject: | RE: who else! |
Hi everyone! Thanks for the article - I still don't see why so many people have so many problems with this. It is going to be painful for me to see him in a Sox uni, for sure, but I don't see the whole "traitor", "rat" aspect. I mean, pitching is his job - if anyone got laid off from their job, or even told that they were being demoted, and a competitor of their current company's called and offered them a good job, they'd snap it up no matter what. Coke vs. Pepsi, Bud vs. Miller, whatever - you'd go if that was the case, so why is it so different if it's a pitcher?!? Anyway, I've been fighting the good fight at bb.com - I guess I'm just in a confrontational mood these days, because I usually run from arguments. You'll be happy to know that a few people do see the situation clearly, I know I am happy to see it. After all this, if the weather doesn't clear, who knows if we'll even see him on this trip? It's pouring buckets now, and I think it's supposed to rain all week. Take care everyone and keep your chins up...keep smiling...:) allybear [email protected] IM: allybearm |
| Date: | May 22 2001 11:15:03 EDT |
| From: | "Laura Naughton" <[email protected]> |
| Subject: | RE: who else! |
Ally...Thanks for fighting the good fight on the boards. I saw your post on bb.com and I couldn't agree with you more. I would add something but I just am not in the mood this week to go at it with some of these people. I see your point in all of this too btw.. your comparison btw Coke and Pepsi is a great one too.. my problem isn't that he's on the other team, it's just that he is no longer with us. Maybe it's the media's way of (as usual) blowing this way out of proportion, but I am just sadden by articles reading that Joe doesn't want to face him etc.. etc.. . I guess I am being selfish and wish he never left. Plus, with everyone getting so cocky on the boards and thinking he's gonna get shelled- they are really jinxing my team (lol)! I'm actually afraid b/c I know what he was to our team over the years and a great asset. Tomorrow night is really the kind of game he loves (getting right into the mix). Sue.. maybe I'm with you.. he wows everyone (and shuts-up the boo-birds)and has no runs scored off him! Then, Derek Lowe comes in and gets shelled and we win LOL! Anyway..thanks Sue and Ally for the supportive words.. :) Laura |
| Date: | May 22 2001 12:28:20 EDT |
| From: | [email protected] |
| Subject: | Re: who else! |
| Hi Guys!! I hear ya girls!! I haven't been posting at all on any baseball boards because of finals, which is prolly a good thing because I know I would lose it. I don't know how to describe how I feel. I love David, I always looked up to him, I used to teach the kids I baby sit to pitch just like him and then to have him in the Boston uniform is just so hard. I'm a huge Yankee fan and cannot stand the Red Sox, and then to see David on the mound for them, its hard, but I have to root for him. I don't understand why people can't see this, that you can love the player, but still not root for the team. Am I just suppose to forgot everything David has ment to the team and to me, no of course not. This is a business, he had to do whats best for him, they're really nothing but hypocrites (sp?). Whew, sorry just needed to get that venting out of my system.. Okay, I havent read much online, but Laura if you say that everyone is saying how much David is going to fail, they're crazy. You can't predict that, esp with David, he has rose to the occasion so many times, he has a lot of heart, and i still believe he has something in his arm. I dont understand that, they're nothing more than the Boston fans to Roger. I can't wait to see what they'll say when he does pitches well. But I must say it wont do much for team spirit if Cone does do well and win, the yanks were in a slump and I want them to do well, hopefully it'll be a pitchers duel and whoever relieves Cone will give up a run and then the Yanks will win.. Anyway, I prolly didnt say much in my ramblings, but I just wanted to tell you guys that I do agree and can't wait until Wednesday. I'm away at University of Dela-Where, so I wont be able to get the game and have to rely on my chat buddies and yahoo sports. I would love to go though. I think he's going to get a mixed reception, as the saying goes, there are jerks everywhere. I might go up next Tuesday to Boston, but I'm studying abroad in Spain and leaving Thursday, so it'll be tight. Have fun to whoever is going to any of the Cone games, esp the Mets/Red Sox one. What I wont give to be there! Thanks for all the articles, I appreciate them. When I'm away, I'll still recieve email, but wont have any online time, so the Court will mean a lot. I can count on you guys to keep me updated, and maybe throw in a couple of pics, heehee. Take Care Everyone! RUPunk |
| Date: | May 22 2001 15:34:36 EDT |
| From: | "Britt Gordon-McKeon" <[email protected]> |
| Subject: | RE: who else! |
Yeah, this is really rough... I am glad he's back in the majors, but for him to face the Yankees so soon... I almost wish that it would rain and somehow he'd never have to do it. I wouldn't mind if he faced the Yankees at Fenway, I am just anticipating the hurt of Yankee Stadium booing him. While I would like to be there to cheer him and put my small voice against that, I'm almost glad I'm stuck out here in Chicago, because I know I'd start crying. I'll be lucky if I can keep from it hearing it on the radio-- I'm almost tempted to not put the radio on until after the first inning, so that I don't have to hear it. I'm being ridiculous about it, I know-- not hearing the boos won't change how people feel-- but it just makes me so sad. I'm all for a David Cone 7 inning gem, as Moose matches him pitch for pitch, and then even though Coney's mowing the Yanks down (hitless, perhaps? 10 Ks?), it's "David, you've been injured, we can't let you go any more innings. Too many pitches." Then the Yanks shell the relievers-- couple killer innings so that most of the guys can get 2-for's despite not being able to hit Cone-- and the Yanks win it. I hate to wish a No-D upon Coney, after all that happened last year, but this is the Red Sox, and they are 1 1/2 ahead of us. He can kick our asses in September when we're 10 up on Boston. The forums are hard. Sometimes I fight, sometimes I don't. The hardest thing is to see Yankee fans I care about and respect being so awful to Cone. (The people who're like that to anyone I just kind of tune out.) Some days I know I can't open the posts, other days I want to open them to build up my backbone and make me stronger, other days I want to go in and tell them all off. Sometimes I wonder if this would hurt so much if it weren't for all the fans, if everyone was like you guys who care about David and understand and respect him anyway. I think it would still be painful-- there's just symbolism there, and it's living proof that David doesn't love the team I love the way I love it. But yet, it wouldn't be that much worse than him signing with the Mets, or the Indians, or Toronto. I need to learn to not care about how everyone else feels, and just feel comfortable about loving the guy and wishing him well. But I *do* care. And I do wish him well, that's something I have no qualms about. Good luck tomorrow night, Sweet David. Yours ramblingly, Britt P.S. Hey KC-- one thing that you do miss if you skip the forums is people dropping in... has anyone told you yet that Cath stopped by B-B (and chat) briefly and said hi? |
| Date: | May 22 2001 18:21:12 EDT |
| From: | susan peters <[email protected]> |
| Subject: | More Ramblings... |
Hi everyone! You've all summed up my feelings so well. I've been avoiding b-b.com the past week or so. It really makes me sad that people can be so cruel and hateful. Ally you're great for fighting back - I just don't have the energy anymore. Plus they don't listen. You can state all the facts you want but you know many people have already made up their minds about David and you'll never convince them as to what's right. The awful part of it all is when they attack him personally. I never hated John Rocker the way some of these Yankee "fans" hate David! I agree that I'd love him to do well but leave the game without a decision, then we cream them! I can't help it - I love Coney but I've been a Yankee fan longer than he's been alive. My genes are pinstriped! Does anyone else find it ironic that he's supposed to pitch against Moose? I always felt that the contrast between the way the Yanks courted Moose and were so unresponsive to David last year was what helped him decide to leave. Also Moose left Baltimore under similar circumstances that forced David to leave NY. Oh well. I just wish he'd have stayed here where he belongs. This is too emotional to go through. I have to keep reminding myself that baseball is only a game because I let these things get to me too much! One last thing - I just love Joe Torre more and more. He's been great about David all along, but this past week, with him watching the scoreboard from our dugout during David's first outing, and then saying how the fans will cheer David, well, we all know Joe's a classy guy! #1Coneyfan susan peters ~ [email protected] |
| Date: | May 22 2001 18:25:14 EDT |
| From: | susan peters <[email protected]> |
| Subject: | Cone Is Where the Heart Is |
Returns wearing turncoat instead of pinstripes By ANDREW R. TRIPALDI Special to The News David Cone says he is no Benedict Arnold, just a ballplayer trying to taste success one last time. Yankee fans, of course, may disagree. After spending 5 1/2 seasons in pinstripes and serving as a key component on four World Series winners, Cone over the winter deserted the House That Ruth Built for hated Fenway. As he prepares to make his second start of the season as a member of the American League East-leading Red Sox tomorrow night at Yankee Stadium, he is pondering the crowd reaction that awaits him. He knows first-hand about the excitement and passion that Yankees fans invoke both the adulation and the vilification. David Cone returns to Bronx with familiar delivery and a strange uniform. "I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't thinking about it," Cone said of returning to the Stadium."Obviously, I am extremely excited." "I have nothing but appreciation for all that Joe (Torre) and Mel (Stottlemyre) gave me. It wasn't their fault I had a bad year. I had a great relationship with them when I was there. "I really don't know what to expect." Facing Mike Mussina, the expensive free-agent acquisition who made Cone expendable in the offseason, may provide further motivation. But Cone, 38, has more important things to worry about, namely bouncing back from a nightmare season (4-14, 6.91 ERA) that raised questions about the duration of his career. When the champagne stopped bubbling after the Yankees' fourth World Series championship in five years, contract negotiations between the team and Cone, a free agent, never got off the ground. He knew finding a new stop at the downward end of his career was not going to be easy, but the righthander ended up in the unlikeliest of places Boston. "Once things broke off with (the Yankees), I was looking for a change of scenery," Cone said. "Boston came into the picture and things went from there." Cone did not want to be saddled with pressure from the outset, so he carefully evaluated possible destinations before signing a minor league contract with the Red Sox on Jan. 11. "When I was talking with different teams, I looked at their entire pitching staffs," Cone said. "Overall, the depth of the Red Sox rotation is one of the best in baseball." Cone's renewed ambition, however, slammed into a brick wall during spring training when he injured his right shoulder. Starting the season on a minor league rehabilitation assignment, he worked slowly to strengthen the shoulder and rebuild his confidence while trying to find the magic that made him an All-Star and the 1994 American League Cy Young Award winner. After being called up to Boston on May 13, Cone began working again with Joe Kerrigan, the well-respected Red Sox pitching coach who has enjoyed success with reclamation projects over the last several years, including Hideo Nomo and Tim Wakefield, both current members of the Boston starting rotation. "It's nice to get a fresh perspective and to work with (Kerrigan) who was on the other side all those years and who I competed against when I was with the Yankee," Cone said. But his Red Sox debut Thursday was less than satisfying. He lasted only three innings, throwing 76 pitches, only 37 strikes, surrendering two hits, two runs, both earned and four walks, while striking out two and getting a no-decision in Boston's 5-3 loss to Minnesota. "I was happy with my stuff overall," Cone said. "But I need to be a little sharper because I had missed on a few pitches. This is a work in progress. My goal right now is to build on my stamina." susan peters ~ [email protected] |
| Date: | May 22 2001 18:25:28 EDT |
| From: | susan peters <[email protected]> |
| Subject: | Yanks Get Ready |
Yanks Get Ready For Sox to System By ANTHONY McCARRON Daily News Sports Writer They will be facing an old friend tomorrow, someone they've won World Series rings with, razzed in the clubhouse, crowded on the mound after one of New York's great sports moments and were frightened for during a serious health crisis. So it's no wonder the Yankees say it'll be "weird" that's Derek Jeter's description when they step into the batter's box against New York sports icon David Cone. Pitcher for the Boston Red Sox. Cone is starting the middle of a three-game series that begins tonight with first-place Boston, which has a 1 1/2-game lead over the Yanks. As plot-line-laden as Red Sox-Yankee series usually are, this one has something extra because it will mark Cone's first appearance in the Stadium since he was in pinstripes. He was always an emotional figure in the Bronx, whether he was collapsing to his knees, arms raised in utter joy, after pitching a perfect game against the Expos in 1999 or talking about the aneurysm in his right arm that could have destroyed his career in 1996. "It's another story," Joe Torre said of facing Cone. "No question it's going to be unusual. I've faced him before, but the last five years, we've become very close. It was a very special five years we had together. I trusted him with the ball. "It's going to be uncomfortable for me, but, obviously, once the first pitch is thrown, we're going to try to beat him." Cone is 0-0 with a 6.00 ERA in one start this season after a 4-14 disaster with the Yankees last year. His start came Thursday against the Twins, and he lasted three innings, allowing two runs and two hits. He spent most of the season at the Red Sox spring home in Fort Myers, Fla., rehabbing an aching shoulder, but his fastball crested near 90 during his start, at least five or six miles per hour faster than last season. He threw 76 pitches in three innings, but only 37 strikes. He has a career record of 1-3 with a 2.95 ERA against the Yankees in five starts during his previous baseball stops. He has made three starts as a visitor at the Stadium, going 1-2. The Yankees are expecting vintage Coney tomorrow. They're also expecting the Stadium crowd to give Cone a huge cheer when he walks out to the same mound from which he pitched his perfecto on Yogi Berra Day. "He'll get an ovation, I'm sure," Tino Martinez said. "Hopefully. It doesn't matter that he's on the Red Sox. The guy pitched his heart out here for years. I know the fans appreciate that." Added Torre: "The fans have a pretty good memory. The last time he grabbed the ball, he got a big out for us in Game 4 (retiring Mike Piazza in the World Series)." Once Cone gets down to pitching, the Yankees are expecting, basically, anything. Jeter has never faced Cone in a game, but remembers what it was like watching while playing shortstop behind him. "Coney doesn't have patterns," Jeter said. "He pitches everyone different. He'll go out there and make up pitches. "I hope he has nothing. That's what you always hope. I'm sure he's not saying, 'I hope Derek's swinging well.'" "He doesn't have a 95-mile-an-hour fastball, but you have no idea what he's going to throw you," Torre said. "He has a bag of tricks." Most of the Yankees haven't seen Cone since he was their teammate. Jeter schmoozed with him at Baseball Writers Association of America dinner in New York the week before spring training. Torre said the last time they spoke in depth was in a phone conversation around Christmas, when Cone was still considering what to do this season. The Yankees had offered him a $500,000 deal where he would get a chance to be their fifth starter, which Cone ultimately rejected for a guaranteed $2 million contract with Boston. When Cone signed with the Red Sox, it made his former manager and his ex-teammates wince. "I wasn't pleased about it," Torre said. "It's tougher to pull for him." "Just like when Bernie (Williams) was a free agent and there was talk about him going to Boston, it didn't sound right," Jeter said. "It'll be weird. He's been with the Yankees as long as I have. We need to play well they are in first place, they're in our division, they're the team we're trying to catch." susan peters ~ [email protected] |
| Date: | May 22 2001 18:28:38 EDT |
| From: | susan peters <[email protected]> |
| Subject: | MR. PERFECT NOW THE PERFECT ENEMY |
By MARK HALE and GEORGE KING -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TURNCOAT! David Cone, who stunned Yank fans by signing with Bosox on Jan. 11, takes mound for Boston tomorrow - now wearing threads of archrivals. - AP May 22, 2001 -- Joe Torre thinks there's "no question" David Cone will be cheered tomorrow night in his return to the Yankee Stadium mound. Cone himself isn't quite as sure. "I really don't know what to expect, to tell you the truth," Cone told The Post yesterday at the Red Sox' team hotel in midtown. "I've been so preoccupied with just getting healthy and trying to make it back that I haven't had the chance to give it a lot of thought." Cone's apprehension, of course, comes from the fact that he's now pitching for the Red Sox ... the hated Red Sox. Sure, Patrick Ewing got a two-minute standing ovation at the Garden when he returned in February. But he wasn't playing for the hated Heat. Yesterday, Yankee GM Brian Cashman confirmed that Cone's perfect game and four World Series for the Yanks now mean nothing. Cone is now the enemy. "Those feelings ended when David signed with a different uniform," Cashman said, downplaying any wistful sentiments. "Now we want to take it to him. We hope we get the win." The Boss agreed. "He is in a different uniform," said George Steinbrenner. "I wish him luck against everyone but us. I just hope we work him over pretty good." The 38-year-old righty - who'll be making only his second start of the season tomorrow, as he recovers from a sore shoulder - also said he had no plans to meet up with any of his former teammates or coaches during his four days in the Big Apple. In fact, Cone said he hasn't even kept in touch with anyone from the Yanks. "It's been kind of tough to do once the season starts," said Cone, who grinned and said it was "great" to be back in New York when asked about his return. "I know everybody's busy, and the games themselves sort of take precedent. But certainly I follow them. We spent a lot of time together, and we've been through a lot of things together." With the Bombers, Cone was 64-40 from 1995-'00 and enjoyed his share of huge postseason moments, winning Game 3 of the World Series against the Braves in 1996 and inducing Mike Piazza to pop out in the fifth inning of Game 4 in 2000 among the most notable. But following his disastrous 4-14 campaign last year, the Yanks had lukewarm interest in re-signing him (according to Cone, the team never made a concrete offer), and the two sides parted. Eventually Cone opted to sign with Boston, a move The Boss questions even now. "If that's what he wanted, there's no reason to dislike him," Steinbrenner said. "I think he made a mistake, but that's up to him. I'm sorry he chose not to finish his career as a Yankee." After missing the beginning of this season with a tender shoulder, Cone made his first start with the Red Sox last week, surrendering two runs on two hits in three innings against the Twins. Still, Cone insists that he has nothing to prove to his former club. "That really doesn't have anything to do with it," he said. "It's more about just me trying to get healthy, finding a way to contribute to the Red Sox and ending my career on a good note." That said, Cone promised he was well aware that his pitching with the Bosox further fuels what he himself called the best rivalry in baseball. "It's exciting to be a part of that rivalry, no matter which side you're on," he said. "I think it's one of the greatest in sports." Tomorrow night it gets a little greater. susan peters ~ [email protected] |
| Date: | May 22 2001 18:39:57 EDT |
| From: | susan peters <[email protected]> |
| Subject: | Now Cone's the Enemy |
Yankees will face an old friend in second game of series with Red Sox by Ken Davidoff Staff Writer He has dressed in the visitors' clubhouse at Yankee Stadium before, and he has warmed up in the visitors' bullpen before, as well. Of course, everything has changed since David Cone last pitched in the Bronx as an opponent. And that's why, in the important three-game series between the Yankees and Red Sox that starts tonight, Cone's first start back here-wearing the enemy colors of the Bosox-stands out. The 38-year-old Cone, who signed with the Red Sox after wearing pinstripes from July 1995 through last year, will start tomorrow night against Mike Mussina. Andy Pettitte will start tonight against Tim Wakefield, and Orlando Hernandez will duel Pedro Martinez on Thursday afternoon. "He pitched his heart out for us for years here," Tino Martinez said on Sunday of his former teammate. "You know the fans appreciated that." "It was a very special five years that we were together," manager Joe Torre said. "I trusted him. I just enjoyed having him around. Now it's going to be uncomfortable for me. But obviously, once the game starts, it's baseball." The baseball needs to improve for the Yankees, who are coming off a 2-4 West Coast trip and reside 1 1/2 games behind Boston in the American League East. After wrapping up this three-game set with Boston, they fly to Cleveland for a weekend series with the Indians, and then they proceed to Boston for an unusual, two-games-in-three-days arrangement at Fenway Park. "We've got a chance to do some damage if we can play well," Martinez said. To play well, they most of all need to hit better. While the Yankees have all seen Cone, very few have hit against him in the last five years, and their recent history is that they don't do well against pitchers they haven't faced. As Derek Jeter pointed out, though, the ignorance may not matter. "He [Cone] doesn't have patterns," Jeter said. "He pitches everyone differently. He pitches the same guy differently [from at-bat to at-bat]. He'll go up there and make up pitches. I don't think you can really have a plan." "One thing you know about David Cone," Torre said, "you're going to go up there, and you're going to have no idea what he's going to throw you. That hasn't changed. He's got a bag of tricks. Even though he may not possess that 95-mph fastball, or that dynamite slider, he's got the heart of a lion, and he'll do whatever he can to beat you." Jeter, never one to back away from a battle, said: "I hope he has nothing. I'm sure he's not up there thinking, 'I hope Derek's swinging well."' By the next time the Red Sox come to town (Sept. 7-10), the Yankees' World Series rings should have been distributed, and so there likely will be a brief ceremony in which Cone receives his. This time, though, only the fans will acknowledge Cone's link to them. "It's been so long since he signed with Boston, the shock has worn off," general manager Brian Cashman said. "He'll only be a Yankee in my mind. But [tomorrow], he's just going be an opponent on the mound. One I hope we hit." susan peters ~ [email protected] |
| Date: | May 22 2001 18:40:14 EDT |
| From: | susan peters <[email protected]> |
| Subject: | Cone returns with the enemy |
Tuesday, May 22, 2001 By BOB KLAPISCH Sports Columnist The question is like a pollster's delight because it requires such precise wording, which, in its base form, is: How weird will it be to see David Cone in a Red Sox uniform Wednesday night? That's easy, say the Yankees: Very weird. How difficult will it be to block out memories of Cone as a former teammate and friend? That's not so easy, the Bombers concede. After all, he was an inner-core guy for six years, smart, talented, and full of grace under pressure, just like a Hemingway hero. So, is it more difficult to imagine crushing Cone's two-seam fastball, given how fragile his career is, because a pummeling from the Yankees could bring him one step closer to retirement? To this, the Yankees shake their heads and say no. Their compassion isn't limitless. In fact, Derek Jeter flatly said, "I hope Coney has nothing. I mean, I know he's not out there thinking, 'I hope Derek's swinging the bat well.' He wants to win, just like we do." No one feels sorry for Cone, is what the Yankees mean to say. They like him, respect him, wish him closure in what's been a terrific 15-year run. But not Wednesday night, not when the Red Sox are in town, and the Yankees are just a short winning streak away from first place. If Cone is expecting anything else . . . well, he wouldn't. He couldn't. He knows Jeter and Tino Martinez and Paul O'Neill too well to envision an extra-wide berth. If anything, O'Neill's motivation is just as profound as Cone's. The right fielder's struggle borders on crisis, just like his former buddy's. O'Neill went 1-for-22 on the West Coast trip, dropping 30 points so fast, Joe Torre was answering questions about whether he's considering another No. 3 hitter. Not yet, says the manager, but O'Neill grimly conceded, "If I don't start hitting soon, I'm going to end up in a beer league." That's why O'Neill has no room in his heart for Cone's struggles. Instead, he plans to tap his own memory bank, recalling at-bats as a Red against Cone, the former Met. "He's a different pitcher now, but then again, I'm a different hitter than I used to be," O'Neill said. "He threw a little harder last time I faced Coney, but he's definitely come up with new ways to get a hitter out." Martinez, who played for the Mariners the last time he faced Cone in the 1995 American League Division Series, agreed with O'Neill, saying, "Coney just makes stuff up as he goes along. He pitches different guys differently, so there's no pattern. Hell, he pitches the same guys differently from one at-bat to another, so the last thing you want to do is let him get on a roll." At least the Yankees know Cone's basic arsenal: a heavy dose of sliders away and two-seamers in. The right-hander's effectiveness, however, depends almost exclusively on his velocity, and whether he's throwing the two-seamer hard enough to actually exploit the inner half of the strike zone against righties. If Cone's fastball is no better than 86 to 88 mph, he might not last three innings. However, in last Thursday's start against the Twins -- his Red Sox debut -- Cone actually reached 90 mph on the radar gun, but was sabotaged by wildness. His four walks were most likely indicative of nervousness more than a lack of stuff. Maybe Cone really does feel weird pitching for the Yankees' arch rival. Even Jeter, in his icy-cold assessment of Cone, admitted, "It's going to be strange seeing him wear that uniform. "It's the same way I felt two years ago when there was talk about Bernie [Williams] going to the Red Sox," Jeter said. "It just didn't seem right. It seemed weird." And how does Cone feel about his return to the Bronx? He'll open his heart in today's pregame news conference, trying to make sense of it all while the Yankees are taking batting practice. This is one big mystery to Cone, but any Bronx historian will tell you he's an adrenaline junkie. Remember, Cone could've easily signed with the now-invisible Rangers, pitching in the bullpen in meaningless Western Division games. But he didn't. Cone chose the Red Sox precisely because of the heat he'd generate in his first appearance against the Yankees. He's waited five months for this moment. Waited through an awful spring training, a cortisone shot, endless acupuncture sessions, a prison sentence on the disabled list -- and with it, thoughts that his career had taken its last breath. Cone persevered, and not because of the money. It's because he needs closure. He needs one last rush. Who better than the Yankees to give it to him? As O'Neill so crisply put it, "We all know Coney wants this game. You have to respect that." susan peters ~ [email protected] |
| Date: | May 22 2001 19:30:46 EDT |
| From: | susan peters <[email protected]> |
| Subject: | David Piece on FOX Tonight |
Get your VCR's ready! FOX said they're going to have a piece on him at 10pm on the NY Sports Report after the Mutts game. I'm sure all the sports shows will have something on him tomorrow too, and he'll probably be the story on the MSG pre-game show. #1Coneyfan susan peters ~ [email protected] |
| Date: | May 22 2001 20:23:32 EDT |
| From: | susan peters <[email protected]> |
| Subject: | Cone back in Bronx, hoping arm is as active as head |
By RONALD BLUM AP Sports Writer May 22, 2001 NEW YORK (AP) -- David Cone walked out of his Manhattan apartment, got in a taxi and headed up to the Bronx. It was just like normal for him Tuesday, looking at the signs on Yankee Stadium recording all the World Series titles, walking through the press gate and down the stairs to the long, dark tunnel. And then came the difference that separates the champions from the wannabes: a left instead of a right. Yes, his career had taken a strange and unexpected turn. His 5 1/2 seasons in pinstripes were over. The four World Series titles and the perfect game meant little now. He was just another enemy pitcher playing for the Yankees' hated rival, the Boston Red Sox. Well, not just another enemy pitcher. ``I know my way around too well to feel like a visitor,'' said Cone, whose scheduled start against Andy Pettitte on Wednesday night wasn't affected by Tuesday night's series opener being rained out. Red-faced as always, the glint of fire was still in his eyes, the spark that enabled the wiry kid from the Kansas City suburbs to compile a 184-116 career record, win a Cy Young Award and pitch for five World Series winners. After last year's 4-14 disaster, he's struggling at age 38, ``trying to find a way to go out on my own terms.'' He's heard all the talk from fans. And, yes, they made an impression on him. He can recite all the knocks. ``It's time to quit. It's time to hang it up. No one wants to see a washed-up pitcher that was once pretty good,'' he said. Instead of dressing in the stall just around the corner from manager Joe Torre's office, Cone was in the far right corner of the visitor's clubhouse. Media savvy as always, he had changed from his black trousers and gray, ribbed shirt into a Red Sox uniform before speaking with reporters, knowing that in New York, his image would be on evening newscasts, his every word liable to wind up as a back-page headline. The rainout made Cone, once again, the story of the day. Just last week, he made his first start of the season. After signing with Boston during the offseason, he left a March 13 spring training game with right shoulder tendinitis. At first, he thought that might be the end. ``There's a lot of doubts that go through your mind,'' he said. ``You wonder if it's time to hang it up.'' He was depressed, but quickly moved on. ``I'm stubborn enough to believe I can still do it,'' he said. He needed nearly two months of rehab before last Thursday's start at Minnesota. He didn't get a decision, throwing just 37 of 76 pitches for strikes and lasting three-plus innings. Cone allowed two runs, two hits, four walks and a hit batter. ``It feels good to be back,'' he said. ``When you've spent as much time in Fort Myers, Florida, as I have, you take anything you can get.'' He has the Yankees a little worried. They don't think about the pitcher who went 0-8 during a 15-start winless streak last year and finished with a 6.91 ERA. ``I think it's going to be weird seeing him in a different uniform,'' said Jorge Posada, who's caught Cone many times. ``Don't take him lightly, because he's a competitor.'' While he made only a small contribution last year -- the most notable was retiring Mike Piazza on an inning-ending flyout in Game 4 of the World Series -- Cone left a void in the Yankees' clubhouse, where he always seemed to say the right thing: to veterans, rookies and reporters. ``You miss him. He was a very big presence,'' first baseman Tino Martinez recalled. ``Never made excuses. Was a great teammate and a great Yankee. ... The way he was a teammate: in the clubhouse, out at the airport, at the hotel. A lot of stories you can't tell.'' Cone wasn't going to seek out his old mates, ``It's not like you can go in the clubhouse over there and start shaking hands,'' he said. But he singled out Torre and pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre, now recovered from multiple myeloma, as people he wanted to see while he was in town. ``He's an emotional guy,'' Torre said. ``He wins a lot of games with his head and his heart. You can't look at the readings, you can't look at the numbers and make a decision on him, because there's more to him than that.'' Cone left the Yankees because he wanted to be more than a fifth starter. He signed with Boston because he would get that chance -- and still pitch in baseball's biggest rivalry. He talked about how the 2001 Red Sox remind him of the 1998 Yankees, who went 114-48, of how Boston has the best pitcher in Pedro Martinez and the best hitter in Manny Ramirez, of what the payoff would be to help Boston win the World Series for the first time since 1918. But for now, the focus was on Wednesday, when he walks up on the mound where he pitched a perfect game against Montreal two years ago. It's another chance to prove himself. He's driven and admits he'd rather go too late than too early. ``Maybe,'' he said, ``there are some unresolved issues.'' susan peters ~ [email protected] |
| Date: | May 23 2001 03:09:23 EDT |
| From: | "Coney's Court!" <[email protected]> |
| Subject: | chat!! |
http://www.geocities.com/coney36_nyy/
Hi everyone! Well, I certainly can understand and relate to what you all
have been saying...I know it's tough to think of seeing David pitch
*against* the Yankees tomorrow, but I think it's so wonderful to know that
he is still supported by well-respected, die-hard, long-life Yankee fans
as yourselves, and I think that it proves even more how worthless and
unwarranted the menacing comments on certain forums are. I still haven't
had a chance to get over to the forums, I just don't have the time for it
anymore...but from the sounds of it some things being said I'd rather not
see anyways. Way to go Ally and others for staying in there and fighting
your hearts out...I did it myself for quite awhile..but I grew weary of
sounding like a broken record, screaming the same thing over and over to
the same people who just won't see things any other way. But I am so glad
that there are those of you still in there speaking your positive words,
because that side should always be heard...
I know and understand that many of you don't want to see the Red Sox beat
the Yankees...with me becoming a Yankee fan mostly because of David, I
just see things very differently. I guess I don't see the whole division
race and all, (this could be largely due to my location) but it's
weird...I don't view my rooting for David to win as rooting for the Red
Sox per se, even though that's technically what it is. I even catch
myself smiling when the Red Sox are doing well now, I did before David was
even brought back up...but it's all because of my support for him!
Instead of seeing David's winning equaling Red Sox success, I see the Red
Sox winning as equaling David's success, which is what is most important
in my eyes. That probably makes me a terrible baseball fan, or maybe not
terrible really, just "different??" :)
Susan-- Thank you *so much* for taking the time to share all of those
articles with us! They were fantastic to read! I think that Torre and
everyone have just been so wonderful toward David and his decision...it
makes me wonder why the fans can't do the same...after all, his leaving
the team affects them more than it does the fans...and if the players
themselves feel he deserves to be cheered, then the fans should respect
that!
Britt-- Great to hear from you! I did hear about Cath...I thought that
was nice...I am glad she is doing well! :) I would forum more if I had the
time, but with 420 sub-forums, I just can't keep up with it all, heehee!
RU-- Studying in Spain...wow! That is fantastic! Felicitaciones y buena
suerte! I am so glad that the list will be of good use to you over the
summer, and don't worry...if you can access the site you will always get
pictures! 2001 pics will be updated as they come! :)
Also, the chatroom is back up and running! If anyone has any ideas for a
date and time for a chat about the book or anything else anyone would like
to discuss, please feel free to share it with us! And if you need any
help getting into the room, don't hesitate to e-mail me! It's channel
#ConeysCourt on IRC server irc.eskimo.com!! :)
Wow, I apologize for such a long message! I hope I didn't bore anyone!!
Anyhow, I know we all wish David the best tomorrow, so let's all keep good
thoughts! :) I believe the game is on ESPN tomorrow, too...
Take care! ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
--KC :)
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| Date: | May 23 2001 09:37:22 EDT |
| From: | "Alyson Muldoon" <[email protected]> |
| Subject: | RE: chat!! |
Hi everyone! Thanks KC and Susan for the shout-outs, I have been trying to fight the good fight, believe it or not, I actually convinced one person...my hubby! OK, I know that sounds like it should be easy, but when Coney first signed with the Sox, JP's reaction was, "well, he was a hired gun when we got him and he's a hired gun now, I'm not surprised, just disgusted". Yes, that made for some fun times around my house, ha ha, but we kind of agreed to disagree. Well, yesterday I was telling him what was going on and he said, "you're right, he has as much right to work as anyone, and if that's who wanted him, so be it, it's not his fault". YAY!!! I feel bad arguing, this is the kind of issue that starts huge divisive fights that people remember for years, but I can't help it, I am a true-blue Yankees fan, and I don't hope the Sox win anything except the games that Coney pitches that are not against us. But in the same way that I follow a lot of former Yankees, I will always hope for the best for Cone. OK, off the soapbox, maybe I'll do some work today (doubt it though, I have only one boss in today and he is in meetings most of the day!). Susan - thanks for the great articles! Talk to you all later - have a good day and keep smiling...:) Ally allybear [email protected] IM: allybearm |
| Date: | May 23 2001 10:13:55 EDT |
| From: | "Laura Naughton" <[email protected]> |
| Subject: | RE: chat!! |
Good morning all Well first off... how is the weather in NY today? Will there be a game tonight or are you guys gonna get more rain?? Secondly, I wish David Cone the best for tonight. I can't hope for a win, but I will pull for him to do well enough to quiet any boo-birds that come his way! And Ally, convincing one person to rethink this whole David saga (even if he happens to be your hubby) is better than not convincing anyone at all. You should be proud of yourself ;) Have a great day everyone :) Laura |
| Date: | May 23 2001 11:58:31 EDT |
| From: | [email protected] |
| Subject: | Tonight's Game |
For those of you who aren't in the Metro NY area, ESPN will be broadcasting the game tonight. Coverage begins at 7 PM. Enjoy the game - I know I will!!! Melanie |
| Date: | May 23 2001 18:16:27 EDT |
| From: | susan peters <[email protected]> |
| Subject: | David Vows to Be Right as Rain |
The last time David Cone was in this particular interview room at the Stadium, nearly two years ago, he had just pitched his perfect game and his fastball still ruled the plate. Rudy Giuliani was standing in the back, glad handing everybody. Don Larsen was there giving interviews, too, because it was Yogi Berra Day. The whole New York baseball world had converged on Cone's coronation, the crowning achievement of a worthy career already filled with titles and unbeatable quotes. Cone was always such a big part of New York, both the good and bad chapters in two boroughs. He had somehow come all the way back from a front-page Post headline, "Weird Sex Act in Bullpen," to become the media darling of an elegant, pinstriped dynasty. David Cone hopes Yankee fans don't turn their backs on him even though he has his familiar number sewn on a foreign uniform. It seemed then he would never dare leave us again. But that would be overestimating Cone's arm, and underestimating his dogged nature. Cone is never shy about taking people's money, whether it be hard currency or fool's gold. He is rarely frightened by opinion, or by cold, hard statistics. And so, in yet another incarnation, Cone will start tonight for Boston against the Yankees, another chance at proving something to somebody, mostly himself. He was there yesterday, before a rainout in the series opener, sitting in front of microphones, wearing a gaudy blue uniform with red trim. He looked all wrong. The words "Red Sox," baseball's literal translation for frustration, humiliation and defeat, adorned his jersey. Cone felt no shame in them. "It's a good-looking uniform," he said. "That's the payoff, one of the reasons I was attracted to Boston. The golden nugget, to win a world championship. I know what a payoff it would be if we can break through." Another contractual hiccup had brought him to Fenway. Cone, at age 38 and after a disastrous 4-14 season with a 6.91 ERA, turned down $500,000 guaranteed from the Yankees last winter to accept $5 million in possibilities from the Red Sox. "I was sort of dangling, looking for a job," he said. Cone stared straight ahead and insisted he had enough left in his arm to make the gamble worthwhile. It was hard to believe him, even tougher after he suffered tendinitis in his arm this spring, spent months in Florida for rehab, then endured an erratic first outing Thursday. Nothing much had gone right for him since that perfect game. He didn't beg us to believe yesterday. He only asked us to watch. "I'm still stubborn enough to think I can do this," Cone said. "I didn't want to quit on last year's note. The underlying fact for me is I've got to keep trying." He knows what we are saying about him, that he's washed up, embarrassing. "I can take those kind of statements," he said. We have to give him credit: Cone has the uncanny ability to float through the major leagues with just the right blend of detachment and loyalty. He knows what the uniforms represent. He appreciates the fans. But he also understands that this is a nasty business. There is no looking back. Only up. When he walked into the Stadium yesterday, Cone looked up again at the painted numbers at the top of the building, 26 of them, representing the Yankees' world championship seasons. "That block of four on the right-hand side, that's a big part of my life," he said. Cone lost some of that tradition and the gracious exit when he left New York, but the Yankees and their fans cannot afford to be smug about it quite yet. His team is in first place. The Yanks don't have a fifth starter. If Cone were available in the Bronx, he would still be getting his shots at the tail end of the rotation. Besides, it is tough to hate this man with the intense eyes and the studied responses. During his tenure with the Yankees, he was already too old, too much the veteran, to make close friends with teammates. Keith Hernandez wasn't around. Darryl Strawberry was on the periphery. Cone felt closer to Joe Torre and Mel Stottlemyre than he did to Jorge Posada or Derek Jeter. There was still a bit of the child in Cone, though, in his unbridled enthusiasm for the sport. He would work with Luis Castillo, the Yankee batboy hoping to hone his own pitching, before every home game, during batting practice. 'He helped me all the time," Castillo said yesterday. "He's a great guy. I miss him a lot." We all miss Cone in New York. We all wish he weren't pitching tonight in a Red Sox uniform. It was already one season too long last year. This one is too tough on everyone. susan peters ~ [email protected] |