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 Is Your Son a Computer Hacker?
 By T Reginald Gibbons
 Posted on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 11:00:21 AM PST
Internet Idiocy

As an enlightened, modern parent, I try to be as involved as possible in the lives of my six children. I encourage them to join team sports. I attend their teen parties with them to ensure no drinking or alcohol is on the premises. I keep a fatherly eye on the CDs they listen to and the shows they watch, the company they keep and the books they read. You could say I'm a model parent. My children have never failed to make me proud, and I can say without the slightest embellishment that I have the finest family in the USA.

Two years ago, my wife Carol and I decided that our children's education would not be complete without some grounding in modern computers. To this end, we bought our children a brand new Compaq to learn with. The kids had a lot of fun using the handful of application programs we'd bought, such as Adobe's Photoshop and Microsoft's Word, and my wife and I were pleased that our gift was received so well. Our son Peter was most entranced by the device, and became quite a pro at surfing the net. When Peter began to spend whole days on the machine, I became concerned, but Carol advised me to calm down, and that it was only a passing phase. I was content to bow to her experience as a mother, until our youngest daughter, Cindy, charged into the living room one night to blurt out that "Peter is a computer hacker!"  


As you can imagine, I was amazed. A computer hacker in my own house! I began to monitor my son's habits, to make certain that Cindy wasn't just telling stories, as she is prone to doing at times.

After a few days of investigation, and some research into computer hacking, I confronted Peter with the evidence. I'm afraid to say, this was the only time I have ever been truly disappointed in one of my children. We raised them to be honest and to have integrity, and Peter betrayed the principles we tried to encourage in him, when he refused point blank to admit to his activities. His denials continued for hours, and in the end, I was left with no choice but to ban him from using the computer until he is old enough to be responsible for his actions.

After going through this ordeal with my own family, I was left pondering how I could best help others in similar situations. I'd gained a lot of knowledge over those few days regarding hackers. It's only right that I provide that information to other parents, in the hope that they will be able to tell if their children are being drawn into the world of hacking. Perhaps other parents will be able to steer their sons back onto the straight and narrow before extreme measures need to be employed.

To this end, I have decided to publish the top ten signs that your son is a hacker. I advise any parents to read this list carefully and if their son matches the profile, they should take action. A smart parent will first try to reason with their son, before resorting to groundings, or even spanking. I pride myself that I have never had to spank a child, and I hope this guide will help other parents to put a halt to their son's misbehaviour before a spanking becomes necessary.

1. Has your son asked you to change ISPs?

Most American families use trusted and responsible Internet Service Providers, such as AOL. These providers have a strict "No Hacking" policy, and take careful measures to ensure that your internet experience is enjoyable, educational and above all legal. If your child is becoming a hacker, one of his first steps will be to request a change to a more hacker friendly provider.

I would advise all parents to refuse this request. One of the reasons your son is interested in switching providers is to get away from AOL's child safety filter. This filter is vital to any parent who wants their son to enjoy the internet without the endangering him through exposure to "adult" content. It is best to stick with the protection AOL provides, rather than using a home-based solution. If your son is becoming a hacker, he will be able to circumvent any home-based measures with surprising ease, using information gleaned from various hacker sites.

2. Are you finding programs on your computer that you don't remember installing?

Your son will probably try to install some hacker software. He may attempt to conceal the presence of the software in some way, but you can usually find any new programs by reading through the programs listed under "Install/Remove Programs" in your control panel. Popular hacker software includes "Comet Cursor", "Bonzi Buddy" and "Flash".

The best option is to confront your son with the evidence, and force him to remove the offending programs. He will probably try to install the software again, but you will be able to tell that this is happening, if your machine offers to "download" one of the hacker applications. If this happens, it is time to give your son a stern talking to, and possibly consider punishing him with a grounding.

3. Has your child asked for new hardware?

Computer hackers are often limited by conventional computer hardware. They may request "faster" video cards, and larger hard drives, or even more memory. If your son starts requesting these devices, it is possible that he has a legitimate need. You can best ensure that you are buying legal, trustworthy hardware by only buying replacement parts from your computer's manufacturer.

If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will most likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are to have any hope of raising him well.

4. Does your child read hacking manuals?

If you pay close attention to your son's reading habits, as I do, you will be able to determine a great deal about his opinions and hobbies. Children are at their most impressionable in the teenage years. Any father who has had a seventeen year old daughter attempt to sneak out on a date wearing make up and perfume is well aware of the effect that improper influences can have on inexperienced minds.

There are, unfortunately, many hacking manuals available in bookshops today. A few titles to be on the lookout for are: "Snow Crash" and "Cryptonomicon" by Neal Stephenson; "Neuromancer" by William Gibson; "Programming with Perl" by Timothy O'Reilly; "Geeks" by Jon Katz; "The Hacker Crackdown" by Bruce Sterling; "Microserfs" by Douglas Coupland; "Hackers" by Steven Levy; and "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" by Eric S. Raymond.

If you find any of these hacking manuals in your child's possession, confiscate them immediately. You should also petition local booksellers to remove these titles from their shelves. You may meet with some resistance at first, but even booksellers have to bow to community pressure.

5. How much time does your child spend using the computer each day?

If your son spends more than thirty minutes each day on the computer, he may be using it to DOS other peoples sites. DOSing involves gaining access to the "command prompt" on other people's machines, and using it to tie up vital internet services. This can take up to eight hours. If your son is doing this, he is breaking the law, and you should stop him immediately. The safest policy is to limit your children's access to the computer to a maximum of forty-five minutes each day.

6. Does your son use Quake?

Quake is an online virtual reality used by hackers. It is a popular meeting place and training ground, where they discuss hacking and train in the use of various firearms. Many hackers develop anti-social tendencies due to the use of this virtual world, and it may cause erratic behaviour at home and at school.

If your son is using Quake, you should make hime understand that this is not acceptable to you. You should ensure all the firearms in your house are carefully locked away, and have trigger locks installed. You should also bring your concerns to the attention of his school.

7. Is your son becoming argumentative and surly in his social behaviour?

As a child enters the electronic world of hacking, he may become disaffected with the real world. He may lose the ability to control his actions, or judge the rightness or wrongness of a course of behaviour. This will manifest itself soonest in the way he treats others. Those whom he disagrees with will be met with scorn, bitterness, and even foul language. He may utter threats of violence of a real or electronic nature.

Even when confronted, your son will probably find it difficult to talk about this problem to you. He will probably claim that there is no problem, and that you are imagining things. He may tell you that it is you who has the problem, and you should "back off" and "stop smothering him." Do not allow yourself to be deceived. You are the only chance your son has, even if he doesn't understand the situation he is in. Keep trying to get through to him, no matter how much he retreats into himself.

8. Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"?

BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone.

Your son may try to install "lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional.

If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface.

9. Has your son radically changed his appearance?

If your son has undergone a sudden change in his style of dress, you may have a hacker on your hands. Hackers tend to dress in bright, day-glo colors. They may wear baggy pants, bright colored shirts and spiky hair dyed in bright colors to match their clothes. They may take to carrying "glow-sticks" and some wear pacifiers around their necks. (I have no idea why they do this) There are many such hackers in schools today, and your son may have started to associate with them. If you notice that your son's group of friends includes people dressed like this, it is time to think about a severe curfew, to protect him from dangerous influences.

10. Is your son struggling academically?

If your son is failing courses in school, or performing poorly on sports teams, he may be involved in a hacking group, such as the infamous "Otaku" hacker association. Excessive time spent on the computer, communicating with his fellow hackers may cause temporary damage to the eyes and brain, from the electromagnetic radiation. This will cause his marks to slip dramatically, particularly in difficult subjects such as Math, and Chemistry. In extreme cases, over-exposure to computer radiation can cause schizophrenia, meningitis and other psychological diseases. Also, the reduction in exercise may cause him to lose muscle mass, and even to start gaining weight. For the sake of your child's mental and physical health, you must put a stop to his hacking, and limit his computer time drastically.

I encourage all parents to read through this guide carefully. Your child's future may depend upon it. Hacking is an illegal and dangerous activity, that may land your child in prison, and tear your family apart. It cannot be taken too seriously.

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What about daughters? (5.00 / 2) (#85)
by elby ([email protected]) on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:35:31 PM PST
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This article is directed mostly at sons, since daughters rarely have the skills to become a hacker. However, it's just as important to watch out for your daughters. Let me explain.

Girls that try to enter the "hacking scene" try to emulate many of the superficial things the boys do, but they rarely have the actual skills to be doing anything illegal.

"Well," you're thinking, "No harm, no foul, right?"

Wrong.

Girls in the hacking scene are commonly known as "scene whores," and this is for a very specific reason. While your girls may not be breaking any laws, they may be throwing themselves at the feet of pimpled teenage hacker geeks, looking for love and attention.

Do you really want a pasty geek felon as your son in law?

-lb

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Hahaha (none / 0) (#178)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:24:43 PM PST
<b>Oh my god this is the funniest thing i've ever read in my life. You are the biggest idoit i've ever seen. Hahahaha. Do you honestly think these things are true?... hahahahaha. *wipes tear away* ahhhhahahahaha. I can't stop laughing. You're an IDIOT!!!</b>

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Oh my god (none / 0) (#199)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 08:01:44 PM PST
You are the most ignorant FUCK i have ever heard of. If you knew ANYTHING about computers you wouldn't even try to say this shit. Comet Cursor for hacking? LMFAO!! LOL!!! Jesus Man you are such an ignorant fuck its not even funny. I couldn't stop laughing for like ten minutes my god. You are the stupidest person on Earth.

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I am Utterly Shocked!!!!!!! (none / 0) (#144)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:53:08 PM PST
Shocked at the narrow-mindness and unintelligent conclusions stated in the pervious article as well as this response about 'girl hackers".

First off, If you don't know what your kids are doing and they break the law or otherwise develop undesireable habits...tell me...who is the blame??? Kids aren't adults. Kids have to have discipline with understandable consquences. They need GUIDANCE and INSTRUCTION to make thier way through all those growing up years. And in case this puzzles you, that would be birth to 18 years. Not until 13 when you think they don't need a babysitter any more or until you are too wrapped up in your own life problems or when you decide you just can't be bothered with all that day to day stuff. This means until they are 18 years of age. Like it or not, you agreed to this contract the minute you helped to bring this child into the world. So show your kid how to be an adult by acting like one yourself.

Therefore, if your child is online or on the phone or at the roller rink or at school or at some friend's house or shopping with your parents or sleeping over at someone's house or selling crack on a street corner or running guns into Mexico...... YOU ARE RESPONISBLE TO KNOW WHO? WHAT? WHERE? WHEN? AND WHY? Do give me that crap that little Billy is 12 now so he knows better than to huff aerosal paint. Little Billy is only 12 and has no clue that what he is doing will kill him. He has no clue that what he is doing will have damaging effects on his brain. He lacks the wisdom of life experience. He doesn't even realize that peer pressure is what motivates him to do this stuff. But you as Billy's parent's do know and it is your responsibilty to know about this and do something about it!! Even if you have to give up your TV time, give up your social life, maybe even make sure he has a babysitter....whatever it takes. Because if you don't take care this problem when he is 12 you will shaking your head when he is 23 and in prison after killing someone when he chose to drive while drunk and stoned.

Secondly, Not every kid that spends large amounts of time on the computer is a hacker. Not every kid who is struggling academically is a criminal. And as much as I would like to blame all the troubles with the world on one single thing, I really don't see how the computer game QUAKE is the single influecing force in 'creating a hacker'. Nor is it the cause of the school shooting we have experienced. Niether is it the cause for a 13 year olds senseless suicide. Or can you blame AIDS and HIV on it. I offer that our problems stem from many issues: lack of family stability, lack of morals, absence of discipline, general self-centered approach to life, etc.

And lastly, the comment about girls..."This article is directed mostly at sons, since daughters rarely have the skills to become a hacker." This is the most infuriating of all this crap. I was pretty sure we as a society had gotten away from genderiaztion. I guess I am wrong. I suppose sons don't possess the constitution to be good seceratries or nurses either. Fortunatly I have raised my children to know they can be anything they wish to be. I have taught them that short of Mommys and Daddys there are no gender restrictions on thier dreams. Of course if they run into someone like the author of this chauvanistic propaganda I know they will be able to smile and say "small ideas for small minds"!!!!!

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come on (none / 0) (#130)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:29:54 PM PST
While I find this post to be very rational something bothers me. The fact that you elby (the closest thing we have to a pudgy server monkey) can actually let something like this "article" remain on this site. I mean come on. Your son wanting an AMD processor (which would mean you also buying a new motherboard as well) is a sign your son is a hacker? As well as the other blatant factual errors? Give me a break.

Also there are quite a number of female hackers. They are employeed by well respected organizations. Now are there as man femal crackers? No. In the past it was easy to categorize crackers and form stereotypes. Nowadays, there is no one group of people that become crackers.

If you don't believe me do some research. You'll come across many experts that say people of all walks of life are now crackers. Check out Symantec's web site. You know Symantec? The Norton AntiVirus/Firewall/etc guys.

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uhh. riiiight. (none / 0) (#148)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:57:07 PM PST
don't forget the fact that it's spelled "Linux" not "Lunix"

what a maroon

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"What a maroon." (none / 0) (#206)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 08:17:46 PM PST
This made me laugh out loud!!!

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I call bullshit (none / 0) (#145)
by elby ([email protected]) on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:55:31 PM PST
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quite a number of female hackers


Sorry, I disagree. I've met lots of self-identified female hackers and crackers. They never compare to their male counterparts. Most of them are only into the subject because they're following along in the footsteps of a boyfriend or husband, and will never surpass their significant other/mentor.

Additionally, most females in the high tech workplace are less skilled than the men working similar jobs, but usually know *just enough* to keep the job.

-lb

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what a moron (none / 0) (#198)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 08:00:38 PM PST
how the hell can you say that, are females not as smart as their "male counterparts"?

you sir, are a dumbass, so stfu

and this article is stupid too
AMD is the best manufacturer for people who play games like Quake, which is not a virtual reality place for hackers to meet and discuss hacking and train in the use of firearms

Linux, is a very good OS if you want to run a webserver or pretty much any server at all

and Peter wants a faster video card so he can get the most out of his games

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I didn't have time to suggest censoring... (5.00 / 2) (#12)
by elenchos ([email protected]) on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 01:34:16 PM PST
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...the more dangerous information contained in this article, before it was posted for the whole Internet to read.

I've noticed a pattern wherein "hackers" descend upon Adequacy in droves whenever an article like this appears. I don't know who is inviting them -- I suspect they have a P.E.A.R.L. "skript" for surveillance of Adequacy.org which transmits a call to the "hacker" underground whenever some "tasty hacks" get posted at Adequacy.org. They are actively using our own superior knowledge against us, while also carrying on their Disruption Of Services attacks and posting flames laden with profanity, invective, and terrorist threats. God.

Before too many more show up, some terminology in this article should be edited to reduce it's utility as "hacker" lore. For example, "L*LO" is enough of a clue for a concerned father who suspects his home computer is being hijacked by the Lunix underground. But it doesn't give away enough detail for the "hackers" to take and use against us, or other innocent victims. Similarly, the titles of "hacker" tracts can be made recognizable when you see them, without giving the "wanna-be's" a reading list. Sn*w Cr*sh is clear enough, I think, as is The Ca**edral a*d the Baz**r and the names Timothy O*Reilly and Eric *. Raymond.

Freedom of speech and an open dialogue are valuable to me, and to everyone at Adequacy.org. To protect these valuable cornerstones of civil society, we must be vigilant in preventing the dissemination of information. Otherwise the terrorists (i.e. "hackers") have already won.


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Mea Culpa (5.00 / 3) (#25)
by T Reginald Gibbons on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 03:07:39 PM PST
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It hadn't occurred to me that real hackers might use this article as a source of hacking information. It was written to provide as much information as possible to concerned parents of computer hackers. Obviously, if I were thinking like a devious hacker, I would have known that they would try to turn something good into something evil, by reading this article for their own purposes.

Perhaps there should be a disclaimer at the top, stating that "by reading this article, you implicitly accept Jesus as your saviour". That would put a stop to any hacking, I'd say!

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HAHAHAHAHA! (1.00 / 1) (#95)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:43:55 PM PST
Uh, there was no "how-to" information in your article. In fact, every "real hacker" who has read your atrocious piece of filth sees that it has no real truth, and therefore no real value whatsoever.

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No explanation necessary. (1.00 / 1) (#62)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 04:58:54 PM PST
You are a moron.

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Hints and Tips (1.00 / 1) (#57)
by The dev0 on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 04:47:46 PM PST
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I wouldn't worry too much about that occurring, simply because not a single thing you've posted is based in reality. Using a cursor editing program to hack another machine? My goodness.

As was already stated above, maybe you son is getting surly with you because he is sick of you running your mouth off when you obviously have no comprehension of the subject you are dribbling about.
Never fight naked, unless you're in prison...
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Very off base, biased view. (2.00 / 1) (#36)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 03:48:46 PM PST
All I have to say is wow, is this a joke or not? I can't tell. AOL is a slow ISP provider. Kids often want cable or DSL connections so they can surf the net faster or download games and stuff like that from the internet. AOL can be used with a cable or DSL modem for an extra fee. "Comet Cursor" is a program used to change your mouse cursor to something different. "Bonzi Buddy" I have never heard of, but I'm sure it does not involve hacking. "Flash" is a programming language used to create movies or animations, sometimes even whole websites. Sometimes people imbed viruses into Flash animations, althought it is blocked by most website forums. Kids often need new harddrives because they run out of space due to games installed or music. Hackers do not need video cards as most real hackers use DOS. Matrox makes cards for companies, they are alright. Nvidia makes the GeForce series of cards which are very good for gaming, not hacking. ATI is also another graphics card manufacturer which makes the Radeon series of cards for gaming, not hacking. AMD is a very good CPU manufacturing company which does NOT use sweat shops to produce their chips. Intel is an American company which does not implement anti-hacking measures on their cpus, no company does. I have not read all those books you mentioned, but I am sure they are just stories about hackers or something running from the law. Kids often spend alot of time on the computer because they are talking with friends on AOL, playing games, surfing the net, or talking in IRC. IRC is internet relay chat where a bunch of people can meet and chat. Quake is a very old game that revolutioned FPS, first person shooters. It is a violent game but does not in any way influence kids to kill people, they are just psychologically disturbed. Kids become argumentative due to adolescense, not hacking. Linux is an alternative to Windows OS. It is an operating system developed by a European which is freeware. You can download from the internet or buy a cd of it. It is very hard to learn and its a very secure system, incapable of being hacked. LILO is the application which chooses which operating system to boot when starting the computer. To delete linux all you have to do it start the computer in MS-DOS mode and type fdisk -mbr and then fdisk and delete the linux partition. As for the academically part, it is definatly not due to computer radiation, as it does not exist.


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No explanation necessary. (1.00 / 1) (#76)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:18:12 PM PST
You are almost as much a moron as the author of the "article." Close, but no cigar.

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good arguement (1.00 / 1) (#42)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 03:57:45 PM PST
You make some valid points. But next time remember to separate your fucking paragraphs!

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Lunix is NOT freeware! (none / 0) (#166)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:14:02 PM PST
... it is distributed under the GNU (gnu public licence, it's recursive).

Get your facts right, AR!

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no HOW-TOs (1.00 / 2) (#17)
by NAWL ([email protected]) on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 02:36:16 PM PST
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Because your an idiot and have a total lack of any real computer knowledge I am happy to inform you that there are no hacker HOW-TOs in this article, dumbass.


NAWL: Not Another Windoze Luser

elenchos exposed as a fraud
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...said the cat to the canary. (none / 0) (#26)
by elenchos ([email protected]) on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 03:15:46 PM PST
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No one trusts your denials, you "hacker".


I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill

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my denial!?! (none / 0) (#134)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:34:43 PM PST
I deny nothing. I how proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are NOT a Computer Scientist and that you lack ANY sort of real computer knowledge.

"But I AM a Computer Scientist! WHAAAAAAAAAAAA!" Bitch!

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OMG (none / 0) (#136)
by computerologist on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:36:00 PM PST
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please tell me that you people that take care of this site know better than this.....please tell me this is a joke....please tell you are as F***ing stupid as the person that wrote the article?????

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Were you completely stoned when you posted? (none / 0) (#99)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:48:03 PM PST
Wake up, moron.

Us "hackers" "descend upon Adequacy in droves whenever an article like this appears" because we are sick of the misinformation you seek to spread.

If someone would write a well-researched article, there would be nothing to argue about. HOWEVER, as it stands, this article is so completely nonsensical, illogical and downright WRONG that I cannot help but post a rebuttal.

-furious_wombat

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Techno music (none / 0) (#37)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 03:50:04 PM PST
Techno music, not electronic music, is generally listend to at Raves or by Europeans. Its not a hacker specific type of music. MP3 files are just ways of storing music in a compressed format which is small and easily downloadable.

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Hmm... (none / 0) (#102)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:50:16 PM PST
Just a nitpick, but "Techno" falls under "electronic music," not the other way around. It's also not exclusive to Europeans by any stretch of the imagination, although many of the best artists do indeed originate from there.

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something you forgot (5.00 / 2) (#11)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 01:24:49 PM PST
one important sign which you seem to have missed is if the child in question begins listening to "electronic" music. music made with computers is very popular among the hacker subculture, for obvious reasons.

any music that is not created with real, natural instruments - such as the tuba or the piano - is particularly insidious, because it causes the listener to enter into a dangerous fantasy world, leaving their mind open to destructive influences. electrical music is usually very repetitive and features a strong beat, not unlike the rhythms that the african tribes use to summon up demons. and yes, computers can be possessed by demons too.

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Yes (5.00 / 2) (#18)
by T Reginald Gibbons on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 02:38:35 PM PST
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My son had been listening to music performed using electronical guitars, which I found highly suspicious. A taste for electronic music may be another indicator of hacking.

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Electric music (none / 0) (#66)
by The dev0 on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:05:49 PM PST
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Now i'm starting to worry, as my son has not played his accordion for weeks and the other night I caught him listening to music that seemed to be coming out of a strange box-like instrument in his room... is this the "electronic music" of which you speak?

(By the way Mr Gibbons, just wanted to let you know Marcia will be home late from cheerleading practice, and Greg has guitar lessons tonight, so ask Alice to put some meatloaf aside please?)
Never fight naked, unless you're in prison...
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Slight correcction (none / 0) (#139)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:39:32 PM PST
Indeed, computers can be invaded by agents of the Devil. Case in point being America On Line, otherwise known as AOL. AOL, and other companies/non-profit orginisations corrupted by the influence of the Dark Lord himself, use things called "daemons". This distressing evil trend might explain why AOL seems to have slow connections, and why the company has so many subscribers. Mass brainwashing and mind control! If we aren't careful the minions of AOL and it's affiliates might conquer this Earth and all that is right and just. Beware! DO NOT USE DAEMONS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES! </tongue-in-cheek>

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Aha... no. (none / 0) (#106)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:56:04 PM PST
"any music that is not created with real, natural instruments - such as the tuba or the piano - is particularly insidious, because it causes the listener to enter into a dangerous fantasy world, leaving their mind open to destructive influences."

You... are... an... idiot.

The whole POINT of music is to let your mind relax, and (figuratively) take you to fantasy worlds. OPENING ONE'S MIND should be the ultimate goal for EVERYONE... but your mind would appear to be closed beyond all hope.

I am a music fiend. I listen to EVERYTHING... jazz, classical, rock, electronica... and let me tell you about electronica. It lets you create musical sounds, textures and ideas that can't be created through "natural" means.

It also has NOTHING to do with "hackers." Yes, many people like to listen to electronic music when they work at their computer. But guess what? Chopin helps me at my craft. So does Miles Davis, Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails.

Why the fuck would you call electronic music "evil?"

Go listen to some Aphex Twin, autechre, Massive Attack and St. Germain, you dumb bastard, before you start making pointless and wild accusations.

-furious_wombat

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The most evident sign (5.00 / 2) (#9)
by legolas on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 01:01:20 PM PST
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First of all, I would like to thank you T Reginald Gibbons for this very well investigated and written piece. As our society becomes more and more high-tech, it is very important that parents don't get left behind.

However, you neglected to mention one of the most obvious signs that your son/daughter is spiraling towards self destuction: Electronic "Techno Music".

So-called "Techno Music" can trace itself back to the former East Berlin. After the Berlin blockade, and finally the wall, was put into place, the Soviets strove to find another way to poison Western society with its corrupt facist values. Thus, in the 1970s, it began a series of studies on the human psyche to see how computer-generated tones can be used to subliminally program the young generation to its corrupt ways. With promising results, Soviet agents stationed throughout Europe started releasing the early versions of this "programming music" under the guise of music releases. The first results of these studies started coming out in the early 1980s, with a variety of so-called "electropop" songs out of eastern Europe, including the Eurythmics smash hit "Sweet Dreams", "99 Luftbaloons" by Nena, and "Rock Me Amadeus" by Falco. These songs led the club movement, and without suprise, spawned a generation of youngsters focused on Socialist causes.

But the corruption of Western values didn't fall with the Soviet Union in 1991. Cells in Germany, Sweden, England, Finland, Denmark, and even the United States continue to operate to this day, creating a modern equivalent of electropop, called "Techno". With the advancements in computer technology, it is no suprise that the electronic music of today is even more potent and dangerous. And, my friends, it goes hand in hand with Computer Hacking.

Using mp3 hacking tools, Techno spreads like an epidemic over the internet. This poisonous music encourages illicit drug usage, lack of respect for parents and authority, and computer hacking. It is no coincidence that the hacking operating system by Linux Torrvaldee works hand in hand with this sort of music. Lunix was the soviet unions response to the overwelming success of the electronic music project, and in response to the increasing computer use by America's young. Fortunately, we have industry watchdogs preventing the Lunix epidemic from going too far.

Therefore, my best warning to parents is to be on the lookout for this very antisocial music. While it is easy to dismiss it as noise, it is unfortunately far dangerous then that. I can't express enough how important it is to step in as early as possible, and replace this soviet programming material with some wholesome American pop music.

-legolas

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j00=T4RD! (1.00 / 1) (#77)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:18:56 PM PST
1 0wNz0r j00! w00t w00t!

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No dice dad. (none / 0) (#112)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:04:34 PM PST
Guess what? Detroit (an American city, in case you didn't know) is the center of some of the greatest electronic music developments.

Oh, and MP3s have nothing to do with hacking. In fact, I have MP3s of my entire CD collection (which I made) that I can now fit on my computer's hard disk. This is not only convenient, it means I don't need to haul my CD collection around with my laptop when I want to listen to music. (By the way, I do not distribute these MP3s.)

Electronica also has nothing to do with socialism. I am a die-hard capitalist, you clown, and electronic music enrichens my life.

"Linux," not "Lunix," is not used exclusively by hackers. Anyone willing to learn a little how to use it is capable of using it for themselves, and they would be well-advised to do so, because it is worth the effort. Your "industry watchdogs" halting the spread of Linux are doing no such thing; they are commenting on both the merits and problems open-source software holds.

I seriously hope your post was a joke, because it is either a hilarious satire or a genuinely disturbing portrayal of your ignorance.

-furious_wombat

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Not Acceptable. (none / 0) (#150)
by legolas on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:58:29 PM PST
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Just because the pushers of this programming noise exist in North America, it doesn't mean that it is acceptable. Cells of Usama bin Laden's al-Qaeda group exist in North America. I don't know if you were paying attention, but they sort of caused some trouble on September 11th. By your logic, we should just accept that, and go on in fear of terrorism. Will we do that? Of course not - that's just absurd.

And, following that line of thought, is it acceptable to let these pockets of neo-Soviet fanatics manipulate our childern and destroy our Western values? Of course not. The fact that you accept "Techno music" as a fact of life is most disturbing. If you truly as educated and enlightened as you put yourself out to be, you should be an example to others.

Otherwise, if we continue to allow "Electronica" to manipulate and destroy our childern, and allow them to fall into the antisocial patterns of drug usage, prosititution, and illegal computer activities, then one day before you know it, you will wake up and the clock will read "1984". And, only then will you realize the monster you unleashed onto the world - only, by that time it will be too late. Your scream of protest will be promptly silenced with a bullet from the thought police.

-legolas

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Not Acceptable. (none / 0) (#149)
by legolas on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:57:55 PM PST
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Just because the pushers of this programming noise exist in North America, it doesn't mean that it is acceptable. Cells of Usama bin Laden's al-Qaeda group exist in North America. I don't know if you were paying attention, but they sort of caused some trouble on September 11th. By your logic, we should just accept that, and go on in fear of terrorism. Will we do that? Of course not - that's just absurd.

And, following that line of thought, is it acceptable to let these pockets of neo-Soviet fanatics manipulate our childern and destroy our Western values? Of course not. The fact that you accept "Techno music" as a fact of life is most disturbing. If you truly as educated and enlightened as you put yourself out to be, you should be an example to others.

Otherwise, if we continue to allow "Electronica" to manipulate and destroy our childern, and allow them to fall into the antisocial patterns of drug usage, prosititution, and illegal computer activities, then one day before you know it, you will wake up and the clock will read "1984". And, only then will you realize the monster you unleashed onto the world - only, by that time it will be too late. Your scream of protest will be promptly silenced with a bullet from the thought police.

-legolas

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Matrox cards are good, business-oriented graphics (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by Starship Trooper ([email protected]) on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 12:45:25 PM PST
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I noticed that your link to "faster" video cards references Matrox, suggesting that these quality graphics cards are somehow connected to hackers. I'm afraid you are sorely mistaken is this respect. Matrox is an all-American company which makes cards tailored for use with Microsoft Office, Photoshop, and other productivity software. Superior picture quality and advanced office features like dual-head display make the G550 my graphics card of choice for the computers I administer in my office.

While these cards do have limited support for 3D graphics, this support is actually designed to discourage use of 3D hacker tools like Quake, Abnormal Tournament and "Serious Sam", due to low framerates and numerous rendering glitches. The hacker card of choice is made by nVidia, an evil Canadian liberalist company whose graphics cards are called the "G-Force". These cards come with a specially designed "GPU", or "Guessing Password Unit", which is specially designed for hacking into computers and stealing people's passwords and credit card numbers.

I can understand how Mr. Gibbons could get all these graphics cards confused. Technology progresses so quickly that even professional system administrators such as myself can have trouble keeping up with the latest trends in computer technology. The rest of the article, however, was very informative, and will help me greatly in managing my Windows 2000 network.
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Not true! (5.00 / 1) (#16)
by Miles O Toole on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 02:11:59 PM PST
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Dual-head displays are most commonly used by hacker criminals. One screen is used for their local computer's display, and the other screen is used as the display for the remote system they are "rooting".

Dual-head displays serve almost no legitimate computing purpose, but are a favorite among the criminally-minded.


- Miles O'Toole
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Two monitors have a number of legitimate uses (none / 0) (#159)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:06:46 PM PST
I work as a programmer.

My work PC has two video cards (one of them a high performance card no less!), and two monitors connected.

One has the source code for the project I am working on. The other has the electronic documentation referring to that source code.

I can think of an unlimited number of legitimate uses for multiple monitor setups.

The ignorance of some of the people on this forum is highly disturbing.

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You are apparently a criminal or a troll (none / 0) (#195)
by Miles O Toole on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:54:55 PM PST
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I was initially willing to consider your point, but now I realize just how insidious you are. Every point you make suggests that you are, in fact, a hacker! You (a) are a programmer, (b) have a PC with two video displays, (c) have "source code" displayed on one display, and (d) have what amounts to hacking instructions on the other display.

Nowhere in your post do you explicitly state that you are not a hacker, and all of your expressed points suggest that you are a hacker, and the entire premise of your post is to spread the nonsensical idea that dual displays have a legitimate, non-criminal computing function. Have you ever seen Razorfish? The elite hacker (played by X-Men's Huge Jackman) uses a workstation with five displays!

Your damning statements tell me that you are either a hacker, or a troll posing as a hacker. If you are a troll, I'd like to make you aware that Adequacy explicitly disallows trolling of any kind.


- Miles O'Toole
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Another ridiculous claim. (none / 0) (#20)
by chuckx on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 02:43:45 PM PST
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Dual-head displays serve almost no legitimate computing purpose, but are a favorite among the criminally-minded.
Wow. Another blanket statement that has no basis in reality. Dual-head displays are not a hacker phenomenon. Here are some examples to illustrate my point.

Graphic designers appreciate two monitors. One monitor is used to display the graphic being edited, while the the other displays the graphic software's tools and options.

System administrators (like the poster you are replying to) can use dual-head displays in order to display system and network information while doing other unrelated desktop activities.

A person playing a computer game could also take advantage of a dual-head setup. One monitor can display a full screen game, while the other displays instant messaging software or some other desktop software.

There are just three examples of legitimate uses of dual-head displays. If you've got any inkling of imaginition, I'm sure you can think of others.


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think rigorously, please (5.00 / 2) (#34)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 03:46:53 PM PST
Graphic designers appreciate two monitors.

Actually, people employed in the graphic arts are much too talented to require the use of one computer, much less two. In fact, much more ponderous eggheads than I have made the credible and copiously footnoted claim that computers, byecause of their rigid, strictly formal aspect, are a positive hindrance to the creative spirit. You must be referring to webmasters or some other species of photoshop monkey, but they are all soulless hackers by virtue of their machine interface to the world. There really isnt a a shred of artistic skill or integrity between the lot of them except, perhaps, in the jaundiced eyes of data entry clerks, bitter tech support personnel and glorified script kiddies who vaingloriously refer to themselves as "programming engineers". But of course none of these people would know art from quake levels. The thought that art can somehow be programmed is only slightly more absurd than the dismal trade school education of hackers who -- let us speak frankly -- were too thick to be admitted into a liberal arts college.

Hacking is some sort of skill, I gather, at least as far as any marginally legal activity can be referred to as skilfull, but we mustnt uncritically allow its pedestrian tradesman to vilify the nobility and purpose of art with their jealous cries of "equality", or "freedom", or something about "information wanting to be free". Data wants to be free. They can have that.

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I don't think... (2.00 / 1) (#50)
by chuckx on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 04:21:00 PM PST
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...you completely understand the topic at hand.

Actually, people employed in the graphic arts are much too talented to require the use of one computer, much less two.
The concept we are discussing is using two monitors with one computer. Regardless, the field of graphic design is very much intertwined with computers. Just take a loot at any contemporary graphic design magazine. You'll see that graphic designers leverage computing resources along with traditional artistic means to create traditional print content and digital computer-based content. What I'm talking about has nothing to do with programming, so I don't know why you're bringing that topic up.

Hacking is some sort of skill, I gather, at least as far as any marginally legal activity can be referred to as skilfull...
Take a look at this post of mine and tell me which definition of hacking you're using. Then we can attempt to bridge the gap I talked about. Until then, there's no use to us discussing the topic.


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IHBT, apparently (none / 0) (#72)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:14:50 PM PST
Just take a loot at any contemporary graphic design magazine.

Exactly the sort of visual clutter that proves my every point. What will you tell me next? That the g**k fascination with porn is a celebration of "artistic" sensuality?

You'll see that graphic designers leverage computing resources

Yes, yes, but I've already documented why computer graphic designers are hackers (leveragers of usually illegally procured computing resources -- warez, in your hacker jargon) with pretensions of art. Of what earthly use is a computer to an artist? Computer "art" (graphic code, in your hacker jargon) cannot be hung on a wall, it cannot be felt, and it has no value by virtue of its infinite replication on on peer to peer B2B networks. In short, computer art isnt.

*Sigh*

It is very frustrating to speak with hackers, and I often feel as if I am the victim of an elaborate irsee "bot". Is there some purpose to your tenacious literalism and lack of understanding, or are you really nothing more than a Lunix program running on AMD hardware? Ok, ha-ha, I hope you and your hacker friends have found me endlessly amusing.

Very funny.

You know, I really thought I finally found a safe haven at adequacy.

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You still not getting it. (2.00 / 1) (#101)
by chuckx on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:49:53 PM PST
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Yes, yes, but I've already documented why computer graphic designers are hackers (leveragers of usually illegally procured computing resources -- warez, in your hacker jargon)...
You didn't document anything. No proof was given for your previous claim. And this claim is completely unfounded. Do you have any proof for this one or the previous one?

...with pretensions of art. Of what earthly use is a computer to an artist?
I'm not talking about artists. I'm talking about graphic designers. Graphic designers, those who create things such as page layouts for magazines and advertisements, use computers. Once again, take a look at a graphic design magazine.

Of what earthly use is a computer to an artist? Computer "art" (graphic code, in your hacker jargon) cannot be hung on a wall, it cannot be felt, and it has no value by virtue of its infinite replication on on peer to peer B2B networks. In short, computer art isnt.
I never made any claim as to whether or not computer generated works can be considered 'art'. My original post had nothing to do with subject. Why you're trying to argue that point is beyond me and it doesn't matter to me anyway. By the way, "graphic code" is not my jargon, as I've never used the term before.


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Pray tell, (5.00 / 1) (#4)
by tkatchev on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 11:59:38 AM PST
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Pray tell, what exactly is wrong with "hacking"? As long as it doesn't involve anti-Christian behaviour, it's fine by me. Granted, many pagan or outright satanic "alternative spiritualities" masquerade as g**ks or "hackers", but these are clearly pimply sophomoric fakes, as any even moderately experienced computer professional will tell you. The thing is, becoming a true computer professional requires personal dedication, responsibility, and self-sacrifice -- things completely unknown and alien to adepts of "alternative sprititualies".

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There's a slight problem. (4.00 / 1) (#13)
by chuckx on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 01:38:26 PM PST
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When you say "hacking", I'm guessing you are referring to this definition:

To write or refine computer programs skillfully.
However, when the author says "hacking", he probably means:

To use one's skill in computer programming to gain illegal or unauthorized access to a file or network
Both definitions are courtesy of dictionary.com and both are equally valid (anybody who disputes this should become famailiar with the concept that a words are subject to multiple definitions, ie. cold and hold).

However, this little discrepancy will most likely completely disrupt the discussion that will follow this article. Each person using their respective definition will not want to admit that the word "hack" applies to both definitions. I bet most attempts to try to bridge this little gap will be met with ignorance and hardheadedness. For previous examples, refer to any discussion on any "controversial" computer related topic (Windows vs. Linux, open source, computer hardware) discussed on this site.


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Lordy Lordy... (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 02:49:09 PM PST
"Lunix" is used by nearly every web server in America. You better check your web hosting company to make sure they aren't using this illicit (and some say 'Demonic') software.

Heaven help us all!

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Thanks for the intelligent response. (none / 0) (#28)
by chuckx on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 03:26:04 PM PST
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Unfortunately your comment has absolutely nothing to with mine.

Adequacy.org - The Home of Grown-Up Discussion?

And if you are for some reason curious, my web hosting company uses Solaris. My company must be one of the "minority" which does not use Linux, right?


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Ummm (none / 0) (#138)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:38:42 PM PST
Well if I am not mistaken (which I am not) Solaris is basically Unix. So you are using the very program you seek to destroy.

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Linux? or SINux? (none / 0) (#103)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:51:34 PM PST
. . . my web hosting company uses Solaris.

This "Solaris" of which you speak seems to be nothing more than a continuing heresy dedicated to the sun-god Ra. You'll be smitten in due time.

Although, this bit of pagan idolotry is probably better than using an OS that's only a letter away from containing the word "sin."

What's that, you say? "WINdows?" Crap, back to DOS for me.

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Frightful (none / 0) (#24)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 02:53:58 PM PST
I hope you beat the crap out of that child... and I certainly hope he does not corrupt the other boys and girls at his school! Stories like this frighten me when I think of how children like your son 'network' with other children. He should be jailed!

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Even more Frightful (none / 0) (#163)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:13:09 PM PST
I'm more afraid about how stupid you are. I bet you took all of your money out of the bank just before December 31st 1999 didn't you. By the way, the end of civilization as we knew it didn't happen with Y2k dumbass.


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hacking in the first world (none / 0) (#196)
by johnny ambiguous on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:56:10 PM PST
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Pray tell, what exactly is wrong with "hacking"? As long as it doesn't involve anti-Christian behaviour, it's fine by me.

Let me be brief. I can sympathize with your sensibilty here, or at least try to, as I am aware that you "live," or should I say "endure existence," in the far off Soviet Union, as we all know a third-world maelstrom of anarchic criminality and vice. In such dismal living conditions any active distraction fends off despair.

However, here in the U.S.A, where we are not so direly oppressed non-stop by crime and poverty and in consequence we can all think more clearly and deliberately, we really have no excuse to stoop to antisocial behavior such as "hacking." And as a Christian I'm sure you recall Luke 20:25; a common lawbreaker is no Christian, sir. Now, true, your Soviet laws, such as they are, fail to proscribe "hacking"; our wiser American legislators have not been so lax! What we law-respecting Americans must "render unto Caesar," in this case, is obedience to the DMCA, which clearly and unequivocally condemns and outlaws all forms of "hacking" as well as the sinister tools which which "hackers" puruse their revolting pastime.

Yours WDK - [email protected]


L'economia in culo a gli economisti. - graffiti in Florence
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A warning for others (4.50 / 2) (#33)
by imadork on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 03:46:43 PM PST
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Thank you for that informative article. I've been reading Adequacy for a while now, soaking up so much valuable factual information. But this article struck such a nerve in me that I've decided to post my experiences. Hopefully, you all will find it useful.

I have to relate the story of a friend of mine who faded into the Computer Underworld (and worse!) after getting something called an Imac. I wasn't even aware that it was a computer at first; I mean, it was Orange, for crying out loud! He kept going on and on about how easy it was for him to use, but I couldn't get the hang of it. I couldn't even hold the mouse right! And where's the button on those things, anyway? He tells me the whole mouse is a button! weird.

But his latest thing is this 'Ipod' he keeps talking about. He keeps talking about keeping his MP3 with him AT ALL TIMES! He keeps talking about how he wants to 'sync' music with his Ipod. I don't want him coming over anymore -- he may steal my music by 'sync'ing my entire valuable collection of LP's!

But only recently did I realize the true threat that Imacs and Ipods present -- they are made by a satanic company, to further Satan's own, nefarious ends! I mean, their logo is an apple with a bite taken out of it -- how much more satanic can you get? And I read the company was started by two Gay men in San Francisco -- one of them was a former technician in the Red Army named "Woczniakski" .

Your article has given me inspiration to confront my friend about his Communist, Homosexual, Satanic life. I hope to bring him back to the side of all that is good in the world. I Personally bought a copy of Windows XP, and will put it on his Imac tonight. He'll thank me for it later.

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Suspicious Photographs (1.00 / 1) (#88)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:38:33 PM PST
I've come up with a great way to determine if your son/daughter is a hacker or not. If any of the photographs contained in this link pertain to your child, then you may have a serious problem on your hands.

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ialmao (1.00 / 1) (#74)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:16:43 PM PST
what a joke!!!!

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lmmfao (1.00 / 1) (#70)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:08:58 PM PST
god your such a dumbass lunix lmao i cane use my lunix box to w0ot your credit card numbers get a clue lmao


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Lock them up (3.00 / 3) (#27)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 03:21:14 PM PST
I for one am sick of all these "1337 h4xx0rz" breaking into other people's computers at whim. They always give the cheap excuse that their destructive actions are just "harmless hacking" done out of a desire to improve their "skillz". Blarney. Do automobile mechanics go steal the fuel injectors from other people's cars "because they can"? No. Do house painters go around repainting the homes of total strangers "to improve their skillz?" I think not. I have also heard more than enough whining about poor unfortunates like Alyosha Skyarlov, who think up ways to steal intellectual property, and then are shocked, (shocked!) when they blunder into a lawsuit or a prison cell.

I couldn't care less if they lock the whole bunch up. Let them cool their heels in jail for a while, teach them some respect. As far as I'm concerned, simple dial-up access, a Hotmail account, a family-friendly portal like Yahoo.com, telnet, a good portscanner program, and a fast password-cracking script are all any decent citizen needs.

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God you are stupid (2.00 / 1) (#80)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:26:21 PM PST
"Hackers tend to dress in bright, day-glo colors. They may wear baggy pants, bright colored shirts and spiky hair dyed in bright colors to match their clothes."

Shit yo, i know a hacker that's 49, you think he dresses like that, my god you are stupid.


"many hacking manuals available in bookshops today "Programming with Perl""

Perl is a computer language used to make things like this (the comment thing) it's also used for forums, and a lot of other things.


"If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive."

you don't need a new hard drive, you just need to delet the Linux portion, which you can do from Windows, and Linux is 'bad news' it good damn it, it's used for servers, web hosting that kinda thing, it's a lot faster and better then Windows, and you dan't ahve to defrag after being on the net for a peoid of time.


"Does your son use Quake?"

Quake is an awsome 3-d first hand shhoter game, it has no affiliation with hacking. maybe some hackers use, i'm not sure, it's a fun game to play, what next are your little six-year-old games gonna be "bad" to 'cause all the kids in your nieghborhood play it?


"The safest policy is to limit your children's access to the computer to a maximum of forty-five minutes each day.

omg, who would do that" my god, i spend hours on at a time, and i've never hacked anything in my life.


"If your son is failing courses in school, or performing poorly on sports teams, he may be involved in a hacking group, such as the infamous "Otaku" hacker association."

that means shit, it could be you just raised a dumb kid (no offence)


"Has your son asked you to change ISPs?"

He/She may have done this because the one you use SUCKS, trust me on this one, AOL is good for one thing, surfing the net, not downloading, playing games or chatting, also it's an invitaion for other hackers to hack you, and AOL LIMITS YOUR TIME!!


"Is your son becoming argumentative and surly in his social behaviour?"

it could be that you're pissing them off after making it so that they could only be on for 1/2 an hour!!


"Are you finding programs on your computer that you don't remember installing?"
maybe your sun/doughter downloaded a demo for a game.



"Has your child asked for new hardware?"

what, UPGRAD YOUR COMPUTER, they get outta date *really* fast



if you want your sun/doughter to think of you as a complete and total jack ass listen to this guy, if you do find *some* of the things he said with your sun/doughter raise some concern, but don't go over board with it. Next don't listen to the media, the dim hackers as very bad people, that guy that i mentioned earlyer, he won't do anything until you piss him off, i've tried to piss him off, it doesn't work. Last, this guy discromantes agains't females, he always says "he", "my son", ect... if ylu want to make sure your sun is not a hacker, then just ask, if you're a 'cool' parent (by their standars) they tell ya.


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ooooooooohhhhhh (1.50 / 2) (#19)
by NAWL ([email protected]) on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 02:40:31 PM PST
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I will base my responses on my belief that this article refers to hacking as "breaking into network" and illegal activities better known as cracking. Obviously since using the term hacking and programming synonomously on this site bring about idiots responses by the adequacy.org family.

Popular hacker software includes "Comet Cursor", "Bonzi Buddy" and "Flash".

The ISP argument is too easy so I'll start here. Please explain to me how Bonzi Buddy (children's edutainment software) is a hacker program or Flas Macromedia for that matter.

They may request "faster" video cards , and larger hard drives, or even more memory. If your son starts requesting these devices, it is possible that he has a legitimate need. You can best ensure that you are buying legal, trustworthy hardware by only buying replacement parts from your computer's manufacturer.

Yes don't shop for deals. Don't look somewhere else for the same GeForce2 video card or bigger faster hard drive or RAM from a cheaper vendor. Hello, have you ever heard of hardware standards, like PCI, AGP, etc? You can buy RDRAM from Dell or a local computer shop and it WILL work in your Compaq. Please explain how a better video card can be used for hacking. A larger hard drive and more RAM by themselves (no matter what vendor you buy them from) are not "hacker tools" by themselves.

If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips . They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will most likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are to have any hope of raising him well.

AMD is an American company (Sunnyvale, California) that was found before Intel. They have been in the business much longer than Intel. I will not go into a history lesson about how IBM and MS made them what they are today. Now you're just making stuff up. Many companies including Dell and Gateway sell systems with AMD processors. AMD processors can be bought in many computer stores all over the US. Also how the hell do Intel prevent hacking? Processors don't have instructs sets to prevent hacking stupid.

If your son spends more than thirty minutes each day on the computer, he may be using it to DOS other peoples sites. DOSing involves gaining access to the "command prompt" on other people's machines, and using it to tie up vital internet services. This can take up to eight hours.

Do you even know what a Denial of Service attack is? There is no involvement in gaining access to the command prompt of the remote system. A denial of service attack is an assault on a network that floods it with so many additional requests that regular traffic is either slowed or completely interrupted. Unlike a virus or worm, which can cause severe damage to databases, a denial of service attack interrupts network service for some period. A distributed denial of service (DDOS) attack uses multiple computers throughout the network that it has previously infected. All of these "zombies" work together to send out bogus messages, thereby increasing the amount of phony traffic.

BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War.

First off you're an idiot. Linus Torvalds (notice the spelling) has no involvement with the BSDs, LUnix, (Little Unix for the Commondore64). The BSD community (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, BSDOS) and the Linux community are not one in the same. Debian and Mandrake are Linux distributions. Linus has no direct ties with any distro because he may be seen by the Linux community as playing favorites. Linus Torvalds is Finnish.

Your son may try to install "lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional.

Let's say your son installs it, but keeps Windows. Since most pre-built systems have one partition that uses the entire HD he would have to use Partition Magic to resize the partition. Also you would notice if Linux was installed on your system. How? Um, gee uhh, you might see a BOOTLOADER! If he install Linux over Windows you don't need a professional to fix it. Obviously you have never heard of FDISK or FDISK/MBR. Both can be found on a DOS bootdisk or Windows startup disk from any machine.

If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface.

See above. I would also like to add that LILO is a bootloader. If you see it than Windows hasn't loaded yet. Bootloaders (Boot.ini(Windows) LILO or GRUB) are loaded before ANY OS including Windows. Also NO operating system during installation or removal destroys the disk surface.

I am proud to announce you and elenchos are tied for the Stupid-ass of the Year Award.


NAWL: Not Another Windoze Luser

elenchos exposed as a fraud
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WTF? (1.00 / 1) (#92)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:41:14 PM PST
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA- Breathe -AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

Don't tell me this is serious- If it is, I'm leaving this country!!!

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ROFL (none / 0) (#185)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:36:36 PM PST
THIS IS FSCKING FUNNY!!!!

FIRST OF ALL, AMD stands for Advance Micro Devices, which has manufacturing plants in USA and Asia. AMD chips can be found in specialty stores like FRYs electronics. AMD chips are mainly price and performance, a good price offering good performance, though sometimes regarded not as reliable to Intel.

ISP has nothing to do with "hacking". AOL is often regarded as low-tech and will not offer the full content of the internet. With its limited browser and lack of java capabilities (if you think java is a hack too, then y does yahoo have java based games?), you are somewhat restrained, though it should be good for those who are new to the internet.

If aol provided "hacking protection" then this article is true. AOL EMAIL accounts are commonly targeted by spammers and viruses (though not as bad as outlook).

"Computer hackers are often limited by conventional computer hardware. They may request "faster" video cards, and larger hard drives, or even more memory. " --Ignorant statement (as with the entire article). A faster video card will improve framerate/display for movies and games. Larger harddrives give additional space(memory). RAM may allow you to increase the number of applications you are running simultaneously. A no frills low-tech pc with an internet connection should have the same hacking capability as a higher ended pc.

Sometimes typing that term paper takes awhile, so we HAVE TO SPEND more than 1 hour to type that good 10-30 page paper. You are paranoid.

"6. Does your son use Quake?

Quake is an online virtual reality used by hackers. It is a popular meeting place and training ground, where they discuss hacking and train in the use of various firearms. Many hackers develop anti-social tendencies due to the use of this virtual world, and it may cause erratic behaviour at home and at school. " --Another ignorant statement, as stated before, quake is an old game probably nobody plays anymore. Quake is merely a fps, it has nothing to do with firearms training as there is no recoil with weapons in that game.

"7. Is your son becoming argumentative and surly in his social behaviour? " This is merely a stage in growing up. I believe you should get alarmed at pubic hair too and your son might start becoming a monkey?

"9. Has your son radically changed his appearance? " --Ravers are not h4xors. Ravers are kids who are hooked on E.


The entire article is biased and stupid (and gave me a good laugh).

You did not state WHY YOUR SON IS ACCUSED OF BEING A HACKER.

The times have changed, get out of your bubble and get updated on things.

~fat


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Here is an idea for ya Reginald Gibbons (1.00 / 1) (#83)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:32:14 PM PST
Make the world a better place and kill yourself.

-Eld

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h4x0r (1.00 / 1) (#79)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:25:15 PM PST
1 \/\/1ll h4x0r joo 411 w17|-| |\/|y f4x /\/\4c|-|1n3.

Mutiny32
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hahahahaha (none / 0) (#154)
by NAWL ([email protected]) on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:04:19 PM PST
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w3ll +#3n 1 Wi11 h4xX0r j00 w17# My +04573r


NAWL: Not Another Windoze Luser

elenchos exposed as a fraud
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um...please get educated. (1.00 / 1) (#75)
by rizzah00 on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:18:07 PM PST
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Okay, 1) you shouldnt be sitting in front of a computer 2) go get educated here

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q0wned (1.00 / 1) (#69)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:08:43 PM PST
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I AM A 3L33T HAX0R DUDE. pH34R ME FOR i SHALL CURRUPT ALL YOUR CHILDREN WITH MY VIRII AND I WILL DO A DOS TO TAKE OVER THE COMMAND PROMPT!!

ONO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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are you insane? (1.00 / 1) (#41)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 03:57:41 PM PST
since when was every bean head that listened to techno music and played with glowsticks a hacker? I hope you all realize how misinformed you are and might actually take time to research your assumptions before crucifying your child for the good of the moral majority. People like you make me sick.

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You sir are an idiot. (1.00 / 1) (#38)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 03:51:19 PM PST
If you even knew a single thing you were talking about then you would realize how completely and uttlerly false this article is.

For all parents reading this, don't believe it.

Its all from an opinionated person who doesn't even know that AMD is a American Company.



Ignorance is bliss, but horror to those informed.



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wtf (1.00 / 1) (#29)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 03:28:55 PM PST
holy crap y'all are dumb as shit. its embarassing reading this stuff

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this guy is insane (1.00 / 2) (#10)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 01:14:38 PM PST
the fact that someone can be this opinionated and this ignorant at the same time blows my mind. if this guy's half the "parent" he claims to be he would do his son a favor and leave the house never to return. also, the fact that he rags on *nix like he does is just an insult to all the hard work coders have done to create, in my opinion, the best operating system there is, and it's free nonetheless....

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get a load of your priorities (4.66 / 3) (#15)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 01:55:12 PM PST
This "guy" writes some heartfelt advice to parents who are worried their children might be led down the primrose path of antisocial and antispiritual behavior, that they will synergize with their clever machines into soulless, hyper-rational automatons, that they might even go so far as to animate their quake fantasies in the public school system (again), and you feel compelled to respond how? By luring the impressionable members of the audience with visions of a "free" technocratic paradise without parents, without girls, without hygiene, with visions of libertarian CG vixens dancing through their heads.

Well of course the first hit is always "free", isnt it? You pushers can call yourselves Lunix "advocates" all you want but we've run your type out of our communities before and we'll do it again if that's what it takes to breathe the inspiration that is life back into our sons and daughters. Real life, Mr. Pusherman.

You bet I'm bitter. You'd be bitter too if the only trace your teenage daughter left behind was a list of bookmarks into Eric Raymond's website. And in that very way our family's life is over before we knew what happened.

Please, if you are reading this with a stack of O'Reilly books at your elbow, remember this: The ways we miss our lives are life. Dont miss out on your lives to a hacker addiction.

It isnt worth it.

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*DIES laughing* (2.00 / 1) (#23)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 02:53:25 PM PST
Uh, number one...Comet Cursor, Bonzi Buddy, and Flash aren't hacker progs. Bonzi Buddy is a stupid little popup "virtual pet" program. Comet Cursor is an annoying Javascript applet that changes your cursor style on command from a list of options, and Flash is a macromedia program to write basic animation programs for beginners to the genre.

Linux isn't a hacker program either. It's a rather complex OS (operating system) to be used in lieu of Windows, just like MS-DOS or Macintosh. It just isn't very user-friendly and it is very invasive which makes it an unrecommended choice unless you have the patience to sit down and learn the commands. The only upside of it that I've ever seen is that it's extremely safeguarded against viruses. There's only one that's known to infect this system, and you have to be stupid enough to actually open the program and run it through Linux in order for it to work.

All this simply makes me suspect that someone's been a bad little boy and didn't do his homework before sitting down and writing this article...

I guess knowing all this makes me a "hacker"...even though I'm a devout Christian who is studying to become a music minister...sure, whatever. I suppose it's easier to point the finger than admit that you didn't do a scrap of research and that you might not know anything about computers beyond the ON switch.

Online games like Quake don't cause people to rampage through schools and shoot up people. That's a load of self-serving drivel hastily thrown together by people who would rather blame anyone but themselves for what happened. Blame the schools. Blame video games. Blame the friends. Don't think to blame plain mental instability, poor parenting, or even the kids themselves who made the decision to commit those acts. We are ultimately responsible for our own decisions, and by the time a human being reaches adolescence he or she is cognisant enough of the difference between right and wrong to understand the consequences of their actions.

If I hear one more person whine about how video games are destroying the minds of children, I don't know what I'm going to do. Objects are not evil. The intent of mankind makes something evil. Stone and wood are just stone and wood until someone breathes imaginary life into it and makes it an idol. Gold and silver are just bits of metal until someone uses it for trade and makes it money - and men begin to kill for it.

I think I've made that point. My face is turning blue. :)

Although there is an admittable downside to video games and the Internet, and that's the fact that you don't realize how much time you've spent with either one of them until you realize you have a paper due in six hours and you still haven't written it. But I've personally never felt the urge to go out and massacre a high school or smoke marijuana (God forbid) after playing a video game. *shrug* I don't know. Maybe those kids are playing something that I'm not, but really, people. If you don't want your kids to get involved in certain things, then for the love of all things sacred, get involved in their lives in a positive way! Know them as people and not as children. Kids want you to respect and trust them. If "no" is all they ever hear from you, it's almost as bad as letting them run wild.

--Rant ends here.--



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your ultra-reductionist lack of insight into ... (5.00 / 1) (#59)
by venalcolony on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 04:48:31 PM PST
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the meaning of words identifies you has a victim of your own hacker addiction, I'm afraid. Your overexposure to purely formal symbols meant for CPU consumption is rapidly eroding your ability to discern semantics. Language is more than correct syntax. Words are more than typographical marks printed between the pages of Dr Dobb's and Perl Quarterly; words have meaning.

If I hear one more person whine about how video games are destroying the minds of children, I don't know what I'm going to do. Objects are not evil.

Video games are not mere "objects" any more than Mein Kampf was an "object". They are instances of mass communication; and just as Mein Kampf lulled a nation of normally God fearing people into a genocidal rage, so too will computer "games" suck the moral decency right out of the minds of our sons and daughters. Communication is our fundamental gift above the lower animals, and the means by which we establish a City of Man. Of course it doesnt surprise me a bit that a hacker such as yourself would diminish the unique importance of communication to our species: the hacker addiction, like all addictions, is dehumanizing.

Please do not patronize us much longer with your windy empty speeches until you have gazed into the wan CRT-tan of your child's face and been met with a glazed, nether-worldly stare of unrecognition in reply. Perhaps then you will understand that hacker ethics is an oxymoron, that hacker culture is a celebration of subhumanity, and that the only good hacker is a smoker with a wet cough.


--
Every day I get up and look through the Forbes list of the richest people in America. If I'm not there, I log onto Kuro5hin and blame socialism.
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Breaking the LFT (4.50 / 2) (#51)
by MessiahWWKD (Lunastorm at MyRealBox dot com) on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 04:32:55 PM PST
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If I hear one more person whine about how video games are destroying the minds of children, I don't know what I'm going to do.

Perhaps you might commit a massacre in a school. That is why I have alerted the FBI, just in case.
Resurface and Drown Everything.
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You....are teh stupidest man on the face of earth (none / 0) (#155)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:04:34 PM PST
My god. Where to begin. Quake, its a 3d game that allows for people...not just kids...i know 30 year olds that play it... to let go of their anger...if anything it PREVENTS the outbreak of school violence. If your child is so sick and twisted as to go to school and kill people, that's his and your fault, not video games. GAMES HERE PEOPLE!

You llamas don't know ANYTHING about computers. Why the hell are you taking up good broadband width to post here? Why were you allowed a computer? Do all of us a favor AND STAY OFF! Or you too will be "committing sins"

PLEASE!! Being on the computer doesn't mean you worship the devil! I myself am a devout Methodist. Teh internet allows for non discriminate views.

You all deserve to be hacked and your HardDrives erased.

I like computers. I like to work with computers. I like "techno" music. Do I hack? No!

The internet is a common ground for everyone to get along. People like you who don't know anything try to make us conform so that what you dont know is "wrong" therefore evil therefore a crime. Are you saying Bill Gates is a hacker because he knows more about computers? He could prolly impliment a virus into all your computers right now with a touch of a button.
(here's a side note, Bill Gates is the one with teh sweat shops) He makes the cash and teh fame, programers get the flack.

DOWN WITH MICRO$OFT!

You have just been giving a biznatch Slaps0r in teh face By -=Shad=-

WWW.hardforums.com

GET A CLUE

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at last some concrete information!!!! (1.00 / 1) (#3)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 11:26:47 AM PST
thank you for this list of advices!!!

i shall surrender myself to the police right away

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Jesus makes a damn good turkey sandwich! (none / 0) (#205)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 08:08:14 PM PST
Greetings, foolish mortals. My name is Lucifer.

Your pathetic article, filled with misinformation concerning my children, Bob and Linda, has displeased me greatly.

Being the vengeful ruler of Hell that I am, I have used my "31337" c64 box equipped with the VERY LATEST version of Lunix and written the most malicious computer virus ever. I have combined it with this post, and it has infected the central server at adequacy.org

In turn, all computers connected to it have been infected. By visiting this site, you have also unknowingly downloaded this virus. Don't bother running any anti-viral software. The little Imp which spawns with every transfer of this virus has already entered your mind. Nobody can save you now. Yes, I have your children as well. Your brainwaves have transmitted the infection to them.

My work here is done. I think I'll go play some Quake.

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Oh My Goodness (none / 0) (#203)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 08:06:06 PM PST
Loved the article :)

You know what really scares me? The number of people who just.. didn't... get it...

GO TO AOHelL YOU MORONS! *sigh*... people really ought to be tested for an ability to understand sarcasm before being allowed to use the net. If they fail, they should be limited to AOL, and AOL ought to be severed from the rest of the net like it was in the Good Old Days...

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Roofles (none / 0) (#201)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 08:03:28 PM PST
Good work, sir

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OMF IS THIS A JOKE OR NOT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! (none / 0) (#200)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 08:02:08 PM PST
HOLY F***K!!!! whoever the F***K WROTE THIS IS THE DUMBEST F***K IN THE DAMN WORLD!!!!!
at first i thought it was a friggin joke but after goin thru about 20 comments (then realized how long it was) I now know this is no joke......who the helll posted this? I wanna know so I can punch the F***KING IDIOT IN THE FACE!!!!!!


PHUCKING DUMBAZZ!!!!!!!!!!

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WTF? (none / 0) (#197)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:58:44 PM PST
Okay First.
Linux , Unix , ect. are not hacking OS
its a better os than Windows.
Games? hacking ?
what ? cant kids have fun anymore? would you rather have them drink and do drugs ?
if i was a parent i would let them stay at home and learn about computers and programing and other varrious things, i have a few firends that program and they are making over 25,000 for making a webpage.

and getting new hd? or no proc. chip ? hacking ?
how is this. if you buy a computer one month, that next month your computer is out of date.
i just build a new computer
1.2Ghz amd Thunderbird, Geforce 2 MX, 768 Mb of Sdram. Now they have like 1.7 Ghz and ddr ram.
so asking for new hardwhere isnt "Hacking"

Another thing Channging ISP's If you have AOL, well aol sucks they send you spam. and they are slow i never once connected at 5.6k/s it was allways 4.8k/b, Getting DSL, Cable isnt a bad thing either, it doesn use your phone line (dsl does but not "Tieing" it up) and they are on 24/7

There are diffrent views of hacking
one could be
Mp3/Warez Hacking
Webpage Hacking
DOSing
r00ting Boxes

but the real hackers are the poeple who hack into the goverentment boxes and Learn
Most hackers are not doing this because they want to
most want to Learn about things, and other thing is, maby some one pissed him/her off (Her = girl hackers ? i never seen any of these, if you are one email me :-) )

But anways

if you son asks for a new hd, or a better isp
why dont you do it, it will help him in his learning.

most kids who spend more than 8hrs a day on the computer will become your IT , Tech support and other computer related jobs.

Like what iam going to be doing. well if u wana talk about more of this email me i will be happy fully talk about what your SON/Daughter is doing

[email protected]

Nick Bitzan


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the voice of truth. (none / 0) (#194)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:48:31 PM PST
I found this article hilarious...sorry to spoil your rants, but it's not real. it IS a joke. sorry, it's not April 1st, but it's funny nonetheless.

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GETTA FUKING LIFE AND STOP LIENG (none / 0) (#193)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:48:27 PM PST
YOUR A FUCKING NIGGER.... LEARN WHAT A HAXOR IS... YOU DAM KOREAN...O WAIT KOREANS KNOW HOW TO HAXor AND GUESS WHAT u THINK FUCKING FREE PROGS ARE EVIL ...YOU ARE GONNA GOTO HELL .. btw 1 0wNz0r j00! w00t w00t! ...I use a An AMD DURAN... OMG IM A HAXOR!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!!!! IM GONNA GOTO JAIL AHHHHHHHHHH... U UN 1337 BASTARDS GOD.....I SHOULD HACK YOUR ASS FOR JUST POSTING THIS...0 wait i would need BONZI...o no Thats FREE!!!!!!! The World is Srewed if Your Makeing News....I say you should just close the site before a hacker takes it down....

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Holy crap! (none / 0) (#191)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:45:01 PM PST
Okay ... I found this article early this morning (around 11 or so) and I thought it was the funniest damn thing I'd read all week.

Then I came back tonight, and all you guys are the damn punchline :) I would even go so far as to say that this is the greatest piece of satire I've personally read since Swift's "A Modest Proposal," and I think all you people that are ranting and raving should take a good hard look at what he's saying, and investigate a little more closely before you fly off the handle.

I must admit, I was buying into the article for a little bit, but the further into it I got, the more clear it became. That's the brilliance of it. A few examples:

1. Point 5's link to "law"
2. The link on the right side of the page to "internet idiocy"
3. Hacking into someone's stereo
4. "Torovoltos," the mad Russian hacker.

And the list goes on. My friends, you have been bamboozled. :)

-Bobo

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LOL (none / 0) (#189)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:41:15 PM PST
ROFLMAO

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dude what the heck (none / 0) (#187)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:39:24 PM PST
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Get Your Facts Straight (none / 0) (#186)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:36:40 PM PST
I have no problem with you monitoring your kids. You have the right to do what you want as a parent. But the supposed "facts" that you give are complete and utter bullshit. You need to get your facts straight before you run your mouth. Let's look at your "Top 10" list. This is the biggest peice of trash I've ever seen.
1. Changing ISPs... in that case every single NORMAL person on the planet with a computer can be considered a hacker. People change ISPs to access information and knowledge faster. If you don't want your children to learn at the fastest rate possible, then you sir or maddam are a bad parent.
2. Programs... umm... alright... Comet Cursor is a program that lets you change the look of your cursor on the screen. It's a waste of space, but it's not a hacking program. Flash is a great program for someone wanting to get into animation. Again, if your son wants to learn about animation and you are trying to limit him, then you are a bad parent.
3. Hardware... of course you want new hardware. Again, this is a case of accessing information faster. Hmm... I wonder why perfectly good and legal companies make faster hardware... is it illegal? If it is then these corporations that you back up are just as bad as your version of a "hacker."
4. Hacking manuals... these are in no way, shape, or form hacking manuals. "Neuromancer" is a great book... it revolutionized the science fiction world in 1984 when with a genre known as "cyberpunk." It was in no way a bad thing. These "manuals" as you call them are books that are the backbone of literature today. People like you scare me are like the firemen described in "Fahrenheit 451."
5. Time on the computer... DOS stands for Disk Operating System. It is Microsoft's original OS. It is the backbone of the computer system. If you don't like it then try and delete it. Restart your computer and post your results.
6. Quake... Quake is a video game. Nothing more... nothing less. It was a revolutional game and, while it does contain violence, does not create a computer hacker.
7. Argumentative... when you get in people's face like that, they have every right to be argumentative. Maybe you do need to "back off" as he said.
8. "Lunix"... umm... try LINUX... it and the other OSs you listed are simply other alternatives to the common Windows. If you watch the news, Microsoft is currently on trial for being a monopoly. I don't see anyone that back up these other OSs on trial for anything. They display different ways for a person to interact with their computer.
9. Changed appearance... go to your son's school. Look at everyone and call them "hackers."
10. Academics... hackers are some of the most intelligent people on the planet. Do you know how much concentration it takes to do these things. A hacker must be able to program, and understand almost every aspect of a computer. Ask any person with good knowledge of a computer how intelligent a hacker is, and you may be suprised at their response. A hacker is someone who seeks information... why oh why would they struggle in school.

Another one got caught today, it's all over the papers. "Teenager Arrested in Computer Crime Scandal", "Hacker Arrested after Bank Tampering." "Damn kids. They're all alike." But did you, in your three-piece psychology and 1950's technobrain, ever take a look behind the eyes of the hacker? Did you ever wonder what made him tick, what forces shaped him, what may have molded him? I am a hacker, enter my world. Mine is a world that begins with school. I'm smarter than most of the other kids, this crap they teach us bores me. "Damn underachiever. They're all alike." I'm in junior high or high school. I've listened to teachers explain for the fifteenth time how to reduce a fraction. I understand it. "No, Ms. Smith, I didn't show my work. I did it in my head." "Damn kid. Probably copied it. They're all alike." I made a discovery today. I found a computer. Wait a second, this is cool. It does what I want it to. If it makes a mistake, it's because I screwed it up. Not because it doesn't like me, or feels threatened by me, or thinks I'm a smart ass, or doesn't like teaching and shouldn't be here. Damn kid. All he does is play games. They're all alike. And then it happened... a door opened to a world... rushing through the phone line like heroin through an addict's veins, an electronic pulse is sent out, a refuge from the day-to-day incompetencies is sought... a board is found. "This is it... this is where I belong..." I know everyone here... even if I've never met them, never talked to them, may never hear from them again... I know you all... Damn kid. Tying up the phone line again. They're all alike... You bet your ass we're all alike... we've been spoon-fed baby food at school when we hungered for steak... the bits of meat that you did let slip through were pre-chewed and tasteless. We've been dominated by sadists, or ignored by the apathetic. The few that had something to teach found us willing pupils, but those few are like drops of water in the desert.

This is our world now... the world of the electron and the
switch, the beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and you call us criminals. We explore... and you call us criminals. We seek after knowledge... and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals. You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals. Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for. I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike.
-Hacker's Manifesto




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Confession of a Teenage hax0r (none / 0) (#184)
by nx01 on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:35:32 PM PST
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Ah, I remember it well. I think it was about 1993, though it could have been earlier -- it's all kind of running together at this point.

The three of us -- ThePope (a blatently blasphemous "nick"), nights3ige, and I -- were all sitting around at the family 386SX/16. We were all about 12 years old. At this point, we were (rightly so) pretty damn impressed with the computer, but we wanted to do more.

We wanted to hack. We had picked up a copy of "Computer Shopper", a typical hacker magazine, and in the very end there was a list of "BBS" services. "BBS" means Bulletin Board where naked pics of babes and lots of war3z are traded. We logged on, and soon we were downloading "shareware" software using the illicit "XModem-CRC" program. We also got deep into "GIFz" which mainly consisted of 256 color pornography. To make sure nobody just "leeched", many of the "BBS" services made sure you uploaded something. Many times, this was war3z or pornography. And so the cycle repeats itself.

Eventually, we went from the war3zing into using the tool "QBasic" to make viruses. I remember doing some serious shit with that -- one did stuff like print out "ALL YOUR FILES WERE JUST DELETED HA HA HA HA!!!" and then make the screen light up different colors. We were totally "bad" and "radical" -- at least to the hacker scene.

Of course, then we were caught. My parents came in one day and caught me reading through a "BBS". I had to explain to them what "l33t" speak was, and why the screen was lit up with a poor-quality ANSI picture of Madonna touching herself "down there". They soon realized that the "BBS" "hacker" scene was what had been drawing me away from my friends, my family, my church -- my life.

They immediately trashed the computer and enrolled me in the "youth group" at a local church. I can honestly look back and say this was the best decision my parents ever made. Since then, I have blossomed into a fine young man who just uses computers for legal purposes, like checking email, reading good Christian material, and posting to adequacy.org.

I was fortunate enough to have parents who cared. I can only pray for those kids whose parents don't know enough about hacking. The road it leads our youth is a damning one.


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OMFG (none / 0) (#183)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:31:58 PM PST
Hey, you know what? If you're such a an expert on Crackers, why dont you STFU and RTFM before you go posting this bullshit! I thought I had seen worse but I guess not! Listen, I'm 17 and...well never mind....lets just say that you have about as much knowlegde about cracking (and teenage social habits) as Oprah does about weight loss.......

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have u had your head examined recently? (none / 0) (#182)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:29:13 PM PST
Not a single word you said in there is true. People that try to spend lies like you, probably for some religious crusade, make me sick.

�Changing ISP, probably wants a fast internet connection, faster is always better.
�"Comet Cursor" "Bonzi Buddy" and "Flash" are no where near hacking programs. Flash is a very useful program to know how to use (future career potential)
�Those are not hacking manuals, I doubt you could even find a store with a true "hacking manual"
�Time is BS, no such thing as DOSing. He/she could easlily be creating a personal website, chatting with friends are the world, or whatnot.
�There is no consumer virtual reality game out there. Quake is just a game, played by millions of people.
�Change in personality = TEENAGERS ARE LIKE THAT!!
�first off, its "Linux" not "Lunix" - This was created by a college student for a class in Europe. Its a free program for ANYBODY to use.
�Change in apperance = TEENAGE YEARS AGAIN FOLKS!!
�This last one is total BS again

How long did it take you to create these lies?

Computers are now and forever here, the more children know about and how to use them, the better off they are in their future.

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Confession of a Teenage hax0r (none / 0) (#180)
by nx01 on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:26:08 PM PST
(User Info)
Ah, I remember it well. I think it was about 1993, though it could have been earlier -- it's all kind of running together at this point.

The three of us -- ThePope (a blatently blasphemous "nick"), nights3ige, and I -- were all sitting around at the family 386SX/16. We were all about 12 years old. At this point, we were (rightly so) pretty damn impressed with the computer, but we wanted to do more.

We wanted to hack. We had picked up a copy of "Computer Shopper", a typical hacker magazine, and in the very end there was a list of "BBS" services. "BBS" means Bulletin Board where naked pics of babes and lots of war3z are traded. We logged on, and soon we were downloading "shareware" software using the illicit "XModem-CRC" program. We also got deep into "GIFz" which mainly consisted of 256 color pornography. To make sure nobody just "leeched", many of the "BBS" services made sure you uploaded something. Many times, this was war3z or pornography. And so the cycle repeats itself.

Eventually, we went from the war3zing into using the tool "QBasic" to make viruses. I remember doing some serious shit with that -- one did stuff like print out "ALL YOUR FILES WERE JUST DELETED HA HA HA HA!!!" and then make the screen light up different colors. We were totally "bad" and "radical" -- at least to the hacker scene.

Of course, then we were caught. My parents came in one day and caught me reading through a "BBS". I had to explain to them what "l33t" speak was, and why the screen was lit up with a poor-quality ANSI picture of Madonna touching herself "down there". They soon realized that the "BBS" "hacker" scene was what had been drawing me away from my friends, my family, my church -- my life.

They immediately trashed the computer and enrolled me in the "youth group" at a local church. I can honestly look back and say this was the best decision my parents ever made. Since then, I have blossomed into a fine young man who just uses computers for legal purposes, like checking email, reading good Christian material, and posting to adequacy.org.

I was fortunate enough to have parents who cared. I can only pray for those kids whose parents don't know enough about hacking. The road it leads our youth is a damning one.


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Dual post. Please editorialize. (nt) (none / 0) (#188)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:40:22 PM PST
Danke.

--nx01

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lmfao this must be a joke (none / 0) (#179)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:24:55 PM PST
Frist off the term for it is not Hacker but "CRACKER". I mean who gives a shit if their son is a hacker? Maybe he'll grow up to be bill gates and take care of his parents.

A cracker is someone who breaks into computers illegaly.. And there is absolutely no signs of it, crackers live 2 lives :P

Funny post tho lol

-SI (Secret Intruder)

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Sad Sad Sad (none / 0) (#177)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:24:12 PM PST
Do you know what this is? Sad fucking shit is what it is. The writer of that artical is a complete fucking idiot, and should have his\her children taken from them. So they have an enjoyable childhood. Sorry, but you my friend are a fuckin moron. Go read up. or drop dead. All that information is ssoooo outta whack. Fuck off you sorry peice of shit. Go let your kids have a life

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (none / 0) (#175)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:22:30 PM PST
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OMFG (that means oh my f*cking god parents) this guy has busted us. Hackers we must strike back and destroy his temple of life before he advances. I will use my new Comet Cursor and =TcK= aimbot version 1.3 to hack created by TcK Wata And TcK cartman to hack into his computer when he gets online, to tell other parents about this. We can hack into his microwave and cook speggetti ***WITH OUT COVERING THE CONTAINER*** that outa teach him to quit messing with us hackers, he will be so owned. I hope he doesnt nail down other virtual hacking institutions like halflife or tribes. Man hackers.... peter was one of our best hackers we dont want to loose him. He always hooked me up with good porn especaily beastiality. One time peter stayed up late and used his hacker tool also known as a DIGITAL CAMERA to photograph his mom Carol naked and masturbating in the shower. Ohhhhhh man that was good shit. nothing like peters mom eh? that sir T Reginald Gibbons is one lucky man. Then we used photoshop (another major hacker tool) to cut out a picture of her tits and make it into a cursor for comet cursor on our hacking site.

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FUCKING IDIOT (none / 0) (#174)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:22:08 PM PST
You sir, are a FOOL. No teenager would allow you to attend parties with him. Also, as a teenager interested in computers myself i obviously know more about them then you, Firstly Linux is not a computer hacking utility and neither is DOS. you must have DOS installed on your computer in order to have windows. and Perl is a computer programming tool, if your son is using this, he is very intelligent, as i belive Perl is very hard to use.

I am afraid too brust your bubble for your sons sake, but that pacifier has nothing to do with hacking. When kids wear pacifiers around their necks it is because of drugs use. Pacifiers are commonly worn by "ravers" or "partiers" they go to all night dance parties that are held illegally in HUGE warhouses or clubs usually. At raves people usually use drugs such as XTC or Exctasy, Excatsy causes you to chew or grind your teeth uncontrollably, i know because i have used it. This grinding of the teeth HURTS severly, the pacifier helps so that your teeth dont hurt as much. Watch your son, when he asks to stay over at a friends house over night. When he does he will probably be wearing the pacifier around his neck.

I am sorry but you sir, are one IGNORANT MISINFORMED FUCK! Stop trying to restrict your son, i am sure he is a very intelligent good kid, you sir are a dumb asshole!

You have to be kidding. there is no possible way you can be THAT misinformed and ignorant. If this is a joke, you are one pathetic, lame, sad sorry for a person. GET A LIFE!

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Dammit you people are stupid!! (none / 0) (#173)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:20:58 PM PST
I found this article to be very entertaining. But man some of these posters are naive!!
Heard of sarcasm anyone?

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ROFL (none / 0) (#172)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:19:50 PM PST
talk about not having a clue , this post is just to funny to take seriously ,theres just to many stupid remarks in the post to mention, I feel sorry for the kid who lives with such a narrow minded parent,
well Im off to go and hack some stereos for mp3z on my hacker freindly ISP via telnet (sif) while i read me some willian gibson with my copy of Flash BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH


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Simply Amazing (none / 0) (#171)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:18:19 PM PST
wow, i read that and damn...i didn't think morons like this existed. there are no published books on "how to hack". if your child wears baggy pants and carries glow sticks and pacifiers he is a druggy not a hacker. that's a whole different story. just b/c your child has an instrest in the computer doesn't mean he hacks. everything you said is just rediculous you should go kill yourself. your daughter is 17 and wearing make up and perfume...your a horrible parent you idiot if she's 17 and not doin that then there's somethin wrong. i can tell your a real hard ass too b/c if you 17 you don't need to sneak out you just need to say fuck you fuck you im leaving peace. people often want to change isp's for a faster connection. AOL sucks dick i had it twice. 56k can lick my chode. i changed to cable b/c it's 100x faster and just about the same price not b/c im a hacker. i changed the way i dressed, oh wow maybe b/c im a teenager and mommy doesn't have to dress me anymore it's called your own opinion. i think whover wrote this should stop being a hard ass.

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Surprises abound. (none / 0) (#170)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:17:57 PM PST
I am first off all surprised at the amount of people who do not realize this peice as satire. If you don't know what THAT is, retake English in highschool or get a dictionary. Perhaps some of the replies to the article were satirical in nature as well, and I missed that, but the article is blatantly so. Irony, sarcasm, etc to prove a point(s) works well, as I think it does in the above article. One need only to look at the misspellings, the lack of evidence, the laughably wrong "facts" presented, the bit about Quake, and the physiological last paragraph.

However, I myself could be in for a surprise if the article was written as a serious peice. If thats the case, the incredible amount of nonsense contained therein and the lack of even rudimentary understanding of computers and computer culture, is gross incompetence and ignorance at best.

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Reality check (none / 0) (#169)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:16:11 PM PST
Ahhh the original articke is soooo far from reality I begin to wonder what that parent did in his teen years to make his neural net misfire so badly. Linus Torvald the Linux creator was not Russian. Linux, Unix, and Solaris are usually more stable and secure then Microsoft products. Or has the rash of MSFT breaches not been noticed?
It would have been nice if the author had actually researched his subject just a little bit. I find it rather disturbing that a person so obviously uninformed would actually be taken seriously by even the most inexperienced computer users. Sorry folks this is one of the biggest jokes I have seen in a long time.

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Oh my god! I'm a HACKER! :P (none / 0) (#168)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:15:10 PM PST
I spend like 12 hours a day in front of my computer. I listen to trance-mp3:s. I wear strange clothes. I have been running linux. I've got both the hacker cracdown and some other

Shit! I must be a hacker :P

Shit. You are one elite dude. How could you spot me? :P

I don't know if i should take this article seriously, becuase i've been laughing my ass of the last 30 minutes.

If it is serious, I feel sorry for your kids, and i feel sorry for you.

There is nothing i can say that hasn't been said. But just a question. I produce techno music on my computer. Does that make me an incarnation of satan or something? :P

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Bow Before The Great Sharkky For I Am Your God Now (none / 0) (#165)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:13:48 PM PST
This article is a complete joke and for those of you who don't seem to think so.. allow me to show you the madness of my ways:

1. The wifes name is Carol

2. The Sons name is Peter

3. The YOUNGEST daughter is Cindy who often tells untrue stories

4. The Complete gayness and family value crap that is preached but not to this extreme in the true American family..... except one!

Thank you for your inspiring help Mike and tell the rest of the Brady Bunch we all said hello.



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umm... yeah... (none / 0) (#164)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:13:13 PM PST
can you all not see that this is a joke!
hrm... i guess not...

its great how the link for the guy who is a soviet spy that created linux... goes to a profile for boris from goldeneye for nintendo 64!

gotta love that...

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you are a moron (none / 0) (#162)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:09:22 PM PST
You have obviously confused your 'raver club kid' with aol.

not buying a word of it pops!

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Complete rubbish (none / 0) (#161)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:07:30 PM PST
Wow, i have never seen an article filled with more inaccuracies and outright speculation and broad overgeneralization as this one.

I feel dumber having even read it.

For a parent to TRULY catch on if their child is a "hacker" (which this author has no clue what the meaning of the word is) you'd need to be more computer saavy than your child and as a Network Admin. I can tell you that is NOT the case as evidenced by the person writing this article who is neither computer literate, nor bothered to even do research.

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wut? (none / 0) (#160)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:07:00 PM PST
I HERD U CAN CHAT ADN SURF ON THA INTARWEB???//

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Have you people ever heard of a joke? (none / 0) (#158)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:06:23 PM PST
To all you people who think this article is real it is not. This article is a joke. You people who got all defensive and wrote huge responses to prove the facts in this article wrong are way too gullible.

Want more proof? Look at the first paragraph. Wife named Carol, Six kids-one named Peter, one named Cindy, "the finest family in the us". Ever hear of the Brady Bunch?

To the person(s) who wrote this article, good job! A whole bunch of people are going to be kicking their own asses for being stupid.

[H]

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Complete rubbish (none / 0) (#157)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:05:41 PM PST
Wow, i have never seen an article filled with more inaccuracies and outright speculation and broad overgeneralization as this one.

I feel dumber having even read it.

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this is the best entertainment than anything... (none / 0) (#156)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:05:05 PM PST
HBO could offer.

I'd almost be angry enough to go blow some f***ing guys away in Quake if I could stop laughing!! But everyone knows the easiest way to get yourself killed is to be giggling until tears blur your vision. Ah well!! I guess I'll just go hack into someplace cool...OH WAIT...I can't do that either!!...I'm a girl ( I keep forgetting I don't have the adequate intelligence for such high end thought processes)!!!! Now whatever should I do??? Perhaps I will go into the kitchen and be barefoot and pregnant (this seems to be my only other option in life).

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Is Your Son a Computer Hacker? (none / 0) (#153)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:03:18 PM PST
The person that wrote this STORY has no idea about computers or hackers. I could go through his list of reasons one by one, but why bother. I am against hackers as much as any good person should be. BUT! This guy needs to learn a little about what he is writing. FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS USE AOL! There are just too many things he wrote that are so far off base, I wouldn't know where to start. Some of the people and companies he is slamming are very good companies and make some good products and computer programs. Some of the upgrades he says are Hacker tools are improvements to a computer and make them run better even if all you want to do is read your email. The Very best thing you can do is add more RAM to your computer to improve its performance. That isn't a hacking tool any more that putting new tires on your car for the snow. I will NOT run an Intel CPU in my computer or any computer I build for a customer. AMD Runs faster and cost less money. The more I think about this STORY the more I see it's just a joke. It went over very well on my Radio show. www.OnComputers.info AlaskaJoe & Sue [email protected] http://www.alaskajoe.com http://www.OnComputers.com Call the show Sunday from 10AM to 1PM Pacific Live on the Internet 1-877-281-2955 or 1-907-892-8312

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this is utter BS (none / 0) (#152)
by chew on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:59:48 PM PST
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Okay, Reginald..or I can call you Reggie right? OK...now you must have been a troubled child growing up, maybe even molested...but all I know is if I were put under the scrutiny you put your kids under, I probably would have seen the light with my dads 38 special. You sir have got issues! You dont know jack shit about hacking, and you certainly dont know what your talking about when it comes to technology and bringing AMD into it. I am 21 and I respected the way I was raised by my parents. They did it by giving me freedom as well as watching what I do, but not in such an assinine way such as what you do to your kids. HAHAHAHAH I love the part when you bring spanking into it. I can just imagine you trying to spank a 17 year old for hacking. Man I would have my foot so far up your ass if you did that. HAHAHAHAHA!!! Get a life loser!

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oh my. (none / 0) (#151)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:59:20 PM PST
The sheer amount of misinformation the person who posted this article has makes me sick.

Almost everything in it is horribly wrong. I am not even going to go into details.

If anyone wants to contact me, namely the writer of this article, as to why they are wrong and why they need to lighten up, I can be reached on AOL Instant Messenger on the screenname "midnight opera", or I can be reached by e-mail at kamuii@graal2001.

Have a nice day, misinformed lunatics.

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YOU = TEH GH3Y (none / 0) (#146)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:55:40 PM PST
YOU ARE DUMB --- REAd WHAT A FRIGGIN COMPUTER IS -- LOOK AT IT -- HOLD IT -- BONZI IS A TAMAGATCHA -- I CANT BEAR TO FRIGGING REPLY TO THIS POST ITS SO DUMB -- WE ALL HATE U -- IF U WANNA TALK ABOUT IT EMAIL ME AT [email protected]

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You should all be shot in the back of the head. (none / 0) (#143)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:52:59 PM PST
This document is very retarded, and I suggest you people learn something about computers before you jump on your children. You think quake is a "hacking program"? It's a game, if your to stupid to see that, you need to be dragged out of your house, tied down and shot in the face. Your all Idiots and I hope your children find your letter openers and cut your eyes out.




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Jackie Chan say: (none / 0) (#141)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:49:17 PM PST
YOU ARE ALL GARBAGE

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All this information is incorrect. (none / 0) (#135)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:35:48 PM PST
First of all I would like to say that I am 15 years old. What i would like to say to this document is that most of the information provided here is BS. First of all they spelt Lunix wrong. Its actually spelled Linux, also a couple of the things that crack me up in this article is that Linux was not created by hackers, it is the choise operating system for hackers because it is a free OS and it has lots of functionality, also you do not have to return it to the manufactor to get a new harddrive, you simply just format it or repartition it. It is hard to hack things these days because of the security measures, oh and also QUAKE IS NOT A HACKER WORLD. It is a first person shooter game designed to play over the internet, no hacking is discussed over these things. If someone did need to discuss hacking then they would probably go talk on a IRC server or somthing a little more secure.

Oh yes, also i would like to mention that all the steps listed above are fiction, they have nothing todo with hacking. I dont know why u think of this being malicious when this is preparing them for the world ahead of us. If they learn howto use computers properly and efficiently then in the future they might become a well paid IT specialist or somthing.

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Please tell me you are joking? (none / 0) (#132)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:32:08 PM PST
Seriously, I can't believe anyone can be this ignorant.

Just in case you are serious:

First up, I object to your terminology. Hackers == anyone that comes up with a creative solution to a problem at hand. Alexander Graham Bell was hacking when he came up with the telephone. Same as Thomas Edison when he came up with the light bulb. Same as Linus Torvald when he came up with Linux (NOT lunix). Same as Tim Berners Lee when he developed HTTP that made the Web possible. The term you are looking for is "Cracker" - which is cracking into computer systems maliciously.

1. Has your son asked you to change ISPs?

Possibly ISPs ban users found to be acting irresponsibly. Yes some are more tolerant than others. But there are any number of legitimate reasons for wanting to change ISP - better connection, cheaper price, broadband etc etc.

2. Are you finding programs on your computer that you don't remember installing?

True, these could be cracker tools, but again, for every hacker tool that could be installed, there are thousands of legitimate freeware utilities.

3. Has your child asked for new hardware?

Here is where the blatantly wrong and badly researched statements in your article start. A faster video card has NOTHING to do with cracking. Most likely your son would want it to play computer games (yes, some of them are quite violent - but that is another debate).

A faster CPU could conceivably be used for brute force cracking of passwords, but much much more likely it is used to run the latest bloatware version MS Word that sucks the performance from your PC.

As for the ridiculous accusations about AMD - WRONG. Plain and simple. Do your research before posting this dribble.

4. Does your child read hacking manuals?

Another wrong accusation. I'm not familiar with all the titles you posted, but the ones I do recognise:

"Neuromancer" - a fiction novel, not a manual, yes does describe cracking/hacking

"Programming with Perl" - You have to be kidding me. Do you even know what Perl is? Most likely if you kid is reading that, he wants to set up a discussion forum on a web site JUST LIKE THIS ONE. Perl is a widely used commercial programming language. Encourage your kid. He could earn decent money if he gets good at it.

"The Cathedral and the Bazaar" - An essay about open source development. Read it. It isn't actually about malicious cracking.

5. How much time does your child spend using the computer each day?

Again, you make it obvious just how much you do not know. DOS is an operating system made my MicroSoft that is an ancestor of Windows. It has a "command prompt" that is an alternative way of using your computer to clicking on an icon.

DoS is a malicious network attack that involves flooding a network connection with a large amout of traffic. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

Again, there are any number of legitimate reasons for using a computer for an extended length of time. Maybe your kid is learning Perl and contributing to an open source project?

I have been using computer for hours and hours every day since I was about 10. Now I am in my 20s. Am I a psychopath that cannot relate to anyone around? Nope, I'm a successful IT professional earning $50K+ with the skills I taught myself. I have a great social life, and am doing fine with my life thanks.

6. Does your son use Quake?

Another grossly wrong and misleading statement. The Quake and cracker communities have nothing to do with each other. Admittedly Quake is a very violent virtual computer game, but that is another debate. As for locking up your guns? You really are kidding me right?

7. Is your son becoming argumentative and surly in his social behaviour?

OK, you just described EVERY teenager that ever lived. How does that apply specifically to computer crime by your son?

8. Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"?

LINUX not LUNIX (as other have mentioned, Lunix was an old C64 OS). The errors and lack of research continue. Soviet computer hackers? Cold War? I don't know about your son, but it sounds like you are the one on mind altering substances.

Linus is an open source operating system used commercially by MANY organisations. It can be used for cracking, but so can Microsoft Windows. It is just the programme that runs other programmes on top of itself. It can break your computer if you don't know what you are doing - so can Windows.

9. Has your son radically changed his appearance?

You are desribing ravers, not geeks. And again, you are describing almost every teenager in the world.

10. Is your son struggling academically?

Could be too much time on the PC and not enough time studying, could be a million other reasons. Talk to the kid to find out. Blaming computer cracking isn't going to make things better. ". In extreme cases, over-exposure to computer radiation can cause schizophrenia, meningitis and other psychological diseases" PLEASE RESEARCH BEFORE POSTING THIS GARBAGE. Where is the evidence? Where is the backing research? You are making this up. Meningitis? That isn't even a psychological disease for crying out loud. "Also, the reduction in exercise may cause him to lose muscle mass, and even to start gaining weight" Do you let your kids watch TV? Same effect.

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A glimmer of light (none / 0) (#176)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:23:16 PM PST
Finally! I'm glad to see there is another person reading this tripe that truely understands just how wrong all of the facts that were presented are. If my child decides to start reading books on Perl, PHP, C, C++, Java, etc. I would take him down to the bookstore myself so that he could buy any new resource material he would like. As a Network & Computer Systems Administrator myself I know just how easy it is to earn a six figure salary by learning these things. As for Unix/Linux, Linux is basically a home version of Unix. Unix is a secure and stable multiuser operating system developed more than 30 years ago (before windows and Mac OS). It runs many governmental systems including the social security system. Its used by banks to keep all the information for its customers. Its used by NASA to develop the space program. Sure, crackers can use unix/linux to cause trouble but they could use your palm pilot to do many of the same things. One last thing for T Reginald Gibbons, which one of these babies is you? Not like I really care, I'm just guessing that you're the ugly one. ------------------------------------------------- Software is like sex...it's better when it's free.

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eureka! (none / 0) (#202)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 08:05:34 PM PST
As a Network & Computer Systems Administrator myself I know just how easy it is to earn a six figure salary by learning these things.

Let's take a moment to examine the hidden assumptions in your g**k logic, and to infer additional Network & Computer Systems Administrator conclusions. By your reasoning, if your son won a seven figure lottery, the matter of his education would suddenly become superfluos. His money would be the measure of his humanity.

Now we understand why g**ks must redefine intelligence to mean Perl and why they prefer the company of machines while pretending anyone who doesnt is a "luser" -- real people are too hard to parse because they're interested in squishy concepts which cannot be assigned a numeric quantity such as your son's dollar value. How very depressing. If current sociological trends continue, a future of mass, internet induced autism will be the final chapter in capitalism's sordid history.

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re: Is your son a computer hacker. (none / 0) (#128)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:29:21 PM PST
To whoever wrote this: You are the stupidest person on the face of the earth. You should be shot for being such a moron.

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You saved me! (none / 0) (#126)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:23:11 PM PST
Thanks for telling me my son was a hacker. I noticed him rebeling against what I told him to do, I thought it was a normal teen behaveour, but I guess I was wrong. I also noticed he doesn't like our AOL and made me buy DSL and keeps wanting me to buy a "bigger" computer, my guess is to do more powerful hacking. I mean who needs more than a Pentium 166?

He also asked for a CD burner. I hear these things are used to steal music of CDs and light them on fire afterwards. This is also a very good hint.

He also installed this Lunix. I hear people use this to steals movies of the old video disks.

I think I'm partly to blame. I installed these hacker programs: Bonzi buddy, comet cursour, and Gator. These come with other programs. I think they disguise them to allow hackers access to your computer.

I also saw him use this program called <a href="http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/">VNC</a> to use his computer at school. This is obviously a hacker version of the popular PCAnywhere program.

He also installed a hacker program called InoculateIT. He claims it removes viruses. I think he uses it to cover his tracks.

Thanks for helping me figure out my son was a hacker before it was to late.

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Please Read (none / 0) (#125)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:23:03 PM PST
Whoever gave you all that information is quite
obviously trying to make you look retarded. None of what you said is true, and most of it is quite hilarious. As for as the Jesus Christ thing, keep your religion to yourself. My goodness how many times do people have to say shut up about your religion before you realize that they dont want to hear it.
The fact that you call linux 'devil' software shows that you're moronic. The reference for DOS as being 'gaining access to someone else's command prompt' is the funniest thing i have ever heard. You people are not GROWN-UPs, nor is your attitude adult. The fact that you would consider all this information without researching any of it yourself shows how dependant you are on other people's knowledge.
Sincerely, a person who knows alot more about computers than most of you people who call your self parents on the account you had sex and a wee little one popped out after 9 months.

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If this isn't a troll i dont know what is. (none / 0) (#123)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:20:59 PM PST
To start this off, i'll make it short and to the point. You say AMD is a third-world child labor abusing company? American Megatrends Devices is the full name of the company. Inferior products? well you didn't even know the full name how would you know the products pros and cons. Quake is a game from id Software, and also considered to be one of the best selling games of all-time. Linux is used on many internet providers servers to run your "child safetynets", so how can it be a bad thing to run on your home pc? Linus Torvalds is the original creator of the linux kernel, nowdays many hundreds of people work on linux and related programs, including Netscape, Oracle (who supply the american department of defence with database software and security for it), Adobe (your beloved Photoshop creators make Acrobat Reader for Linux does this make them targets for your ill-informed accusations also?), Sun Microsystems (these guys make a great Office product called 'Star Office', and is made for Linux among other operating systems), that'll do for a *short* list of contributors to this FREE operating system that you claim is illegal. PS. Do you know that Neuromancer (as you put it, 'a hackers manual') is a story book? maybe you should look inside the books cover or even better, read it. The old saying goes, "Dont judge a book by its cover". PPS. After your description of how a hacker dresses, i believe your talking about a "Homie" as slang would say it. Hackers usually tend to dress and look like normal everyday people. -- Posted by a Internet Provider Network Administrator, being my job, i think i should know a little about computers and the companies that are related to them.

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oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! (none / 0) (#192)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:47:19 PM PST
OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the update captain obvious!

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I dont belive the stpuidity (none / 0) (#121)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:19:04 PM PST
Thanks for the insight into how to determine hacking/cracking traits in my kids. I have now taken liberty in destroying all equipment powered by electricity in my household, and will be doing the same in my neighbors houses (when they are at work, they will thank me later)

My kids have been shackled in the dungeon, and I will beat the hacking/cracking devil out of them daily. The fact they are 40 and 43 years old respectively and have their own kids doesnt matter, I dont want my grandchildren infected with this garbage. I recently found out they have been writing open source software in their spare time. They will come to learn my outrage at discovering this attrocity.

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you dumass (none / 0) (#120)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:15:45 PM PST
Comet cursor is not a hacking program you moron.. Its a program that changes your ability to change the look of your cursor. and Flash is one of the coolest things given to us. Go to this link to see what flash can do http://games.sohu.com/fightgame/fight3.swf . My gosh. Get your information straight. You have just described in your top 10 list a lot of my friends here at the university of texas. First of AOL sux to begin with and anyone who wants that ISP is stupid as is. 30 minutes on the computer.. Damn... I surf the net and play comp games for hours.. THat makes me a hacker .. NO.. Linux is the most stable OS out there.. Your son aint no hacker. Your son is a developing computer science person or has some future. Dont take that away from him because you are an ignorant dumass. You got a problem with this IM me on instant messenger if you know what that is PheonixSP . But this posting to begin with is stupid and shows complete and utmost ignorance

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Filthy lies! (none / 0) (#119)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:14:47 PM PST
This article was written by a good-hearted parent, with absolutely NO clue about computers. First off, the operating system is called Linux, not Lunix. Linux is a legal clone of the operating system UNIX, which was developed by AT&T Bell Labs, in the 1970s. It's perfectly legal and in no way suggests the user is a hacker. It's a faster, more stable operating system than any version of Windows. Mandrake and Debian are two of the thousands of Linux distributions. A DOS attack stands for Denial Of Service and has nothing to do with the "DOS prompt" on a Windows machine. As for switching ISPs, it might be because AOL is slow, while a cable modem is very fast. AMD is a company that was formed from Intel, when the US government found Intel guilty of being a monopoly, and insisted they break in two. AMD is sold everywhere and has nothing to do with hacking at all. AMD chips have tested much faster than current Intel chips, by the way. "Popular hacker software includes "Comet Cursor", "Bonzi Buddy" and "Flash"." None of those have anything to do with hacking and are perfectly safe. Flash has to do with animation. Quake is a popular game, and hey guess what? It also has nothing to do with hacking. You should worry about hacking when you see words like "l33t", "packet", or "sub7". I feel very sorry for the child of the author of the article I'm responding to, for his father is the most ignorant person I've heard of in years. Sir, please research things before jumping to conclusions. If your son's behavior is turning bad, his grades are slipping, and he's changing his appearance, it's because he's a typical teenage boy with a not-so-typical ignorant father who doesn't understand a thing about his passion; computers. If you want to reply to me, you can Instant Message me at Panny171. I think this article had to be a joke, but I responded just in case it wasn't.

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Wow, Some poor talk (none / 0) (#118)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:13:47 PM PST
Well i am not into flaming just wanna say that your comments about amd are inaccurate at best, AMD's line of chips in fact are better and in most test beat intel's top of the line chip, they are not inferior, and regardless of what chip u use how does that make you a hacker? Security features?? on the chip?? where? find me info on this. So for you to speak in such a way makes one believe you work for intel, so plz dont talk w/o first doin some real research. Thanks
Tom

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What a joke! (none / 0) (#116)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:12:16 PM PST
"You could say I'm a model parent." It can also be said that youre a model idiot. NONE of your views have ANY validity. I really do hope th
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