As per my earlier letter :
Compare and contrast: I'll start with copies of the two posts that Rev. Cass claimed were "vehicles for attack on John".
Antistoicus
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02/24/02 01:31 PM
[INLINE] Sekmet, Geometry, cut up images, and all that
Hi. Last summer, there was a mildly diverting discussion mentioning Temple Geometry, and the alleged desecration of Sekhmet's image, for the sake of pseudo-mathematical "mysticism". John, for reasons I don't know, saw fit to delete the first article in that thread, with the result that all that one sees on the board is yet another thread entitled "post deleted by John". In order to take care of this problem, and help people find this and other threads that John did this to, should they be interested in them, I'll be setting up a file when I get home:
http://demipagan.freeyellow.com/Netjer/kheru-cut.htmlwith a backup, as usual, at
http://chipagan.freewebsites.com/Netjer/kheru-cut.htmlGive me a little time to get home, and set up these files. (I'm posting this away from home, since posting from Lynx is no longer possible - one gets the message that one isn't posting from a valid host). If you have seen the thread already, let me save you a click. I found the article that I was looking for. It appeared in the May 1998 issue of Scientific American, in an article entitled "Japanese Temple Geometry", and can be found on their homepage at
http://www.sciam.com/1998/0598issue/0598rothman.html
Gee, that's funny: Nobody actually seems to have been attacked in this post. It did lead to an odd set of responses, though. Here's one of them, which came to be by e-mail :
From: [email protected] Number: 446391
To: DEMIPAGAN Date: 2/25/02 9:45 AM
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Nonk replied to your post at the site: . http://www.netjer.org/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=netjer&Number=19897
Em hotep Antistoicus
The "sacred geometry" overlay that you speak of is at Darlene's All Things Sekhmet site.
To be clear, John does not have, nor has he ever had the capability of deleting your post(s) and the thread(s) from this forum. If the moderators and/or Webmistress saw fit to delete your post, I am certain that there were other reasons for the deletion. Certainly it was not because of the information that you were presenting. Usually deletions occur because of reasons that are clearly stated in the posting guidelines on this board. If you follow the rules then there is no cause for concern. You are certainly welcome to discuss such things in the forum. Bear in mind that it is up to the reader to decide whether or not the presented information contains anything that is of relevance or value to them.
If there are disagreements over what is being presented, then members can discuss it. As long as the threads remain civil and respectful, then chances are the posts will stay up.
Senebty!
Imakhu Nonk
Hm-t Sekhmet/HetHert
Tamara, you can see for yourself that I hadn't said anything of the sort. This objective historical fact seemed to be beside the point as far as the regulars were concerned. John soon chortled with glee, on the board, about just this:
John
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02/25/02 07:31 AM
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[INLINE] Re: Sekmet, Geometry, cut up images, and all that [re: Nonk]
Em Hotep Senta Imakhu Nonk and Senta Djed! [INLINE] [henu] Well, gee, I must have some pretty powerful Heka if I can delete other people's posts! ROFLMAO. I'm completely unaware of doing such a thing. As for this individual who is archiving my posts: I am certain that the purposes behind such an undertaking are ulterior in nature and, as such, should be humbly ignored. Thank you very much Sent-a Djed for pointing out that if I created something then it is my right to delete it.
Ankh Djed Was,
John
http://www.kemet.org/letters/shomu0598.html
Think....
sa Sekhmet/Hethert
Any reasonable person would have to agree that John's post very much was a personal attack, and it based itself off of a willful misrepresentation of what I had written. My response, if anything, was excessively mild:
Antistoicus
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02/26/02 02:56 PM
[INLINE] People, learn to read [re: Antistoicus]
I invite anybody lurking, to read what it is that I actually wrote in the first post on this thread, and compare it to what I am alleged to have said by Nonk, John, and that other person. There is no resemblance. What you are seeing out of these three is trolling in one of its most classic forms.
I never said that my posts were deleted. Look for yourself.
As a quick visit to either of the links given, say
http://demipagan.freeyellow.com/Netjer/kheru-cut.html
will quickly confirm, the links from that page go BACK INTO THE VERY BOARD YOU'RE ON RIGHT NOW. Urls on this board are long and cumbersome, and it was far easier to simply link to a short file elsewhere, and then cut and paste when I get home.
The mind boggles. How could somebody manage to follow those links, and not notice that they had returned to this site, when every single one of the major browsers displays the url one's at? Or were some under the impression that I was the new webmaster for netjer.org?
Not that the complaint itself makes a great deal of sense, either. Anything posted here is visible to the thousands of people who pass here. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy. I'm astounded by this position that to archive somebody else's post, in order to provide evidence in support of a truthful, if uncomplimentary account of somebody's actions would be, as John indicated, a sign of untrustworthy ulterior motives. This amazing assertion becomes all the more memorable, when one notes that it comes after a string of lies, whose falsehood can be confirmed by a mere point and click. Documenting the truth would be a shady business, while lying outright is good clean fun?!
Whatever. I would ask, though, where the moderator is, while this is going on. Putting words in another user's mouth is as far from civil behavior as can be imagined, and it's not like Rev. Cass has been a fanatical opponent of censorship, to this point.
There were other posts in the thread. You'll see them. What is on point, here, is that you've now seen the only posts I put in the thread. I think you will have to agree that this places Rev. Cass' remarks about "attacking John's credibility" being "unacceptable on the board" in a whole new, and rather disturbing light.
If John lies about what I said, I'm not allowed to point that out?! Pointing out WHY an argument is absurd is prohibited because doing so is a form of personal attack?! Okayyy ... good thing I kept the letters.
Jumping ahead, a little, John, in his usual style, couldn't help but gloat a little more, after Rev.Cass seemingly validated him online. How interesting that almost all of my private messages vanished at about the same time that "(John's new login name)" registered.
This arrived by e-mail :
From: (John's address deleted) Number: 443120
To: DEMIPAGAN Date: 10/14/01 10:45 PM
Subject: Your Site... Reference: None
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Em Hotep Antipasto!
I was drawn to your name, yet again, by the wonderful posts that you have plagu ed the House of Netjer forums with. It would seem that, however, Kai Imakhu AntyBast has deleted your posts (probably because you are a rude, idiotic, and ignorant man with no viable reason to post whatsoever other than to pretend that you know what you are actually talking about).
Suffice to say that I have completely forgotten about you up and until this point.
Yes, Her Holiness knew far ahead of time that I have a criminal record. However, being the Spiritual Leader that She is, this makes absolutely no difference to Her so long as I completely understand the ramifications of such actions and the repartitions that I must make. As for anything else to do with my record my dear friend, I make nothing up. As for you stating that hackers are not intelligent: I would believe, dear friend, that you might want to rethink what you have previously stated because now you are delving into a subject that I know much more about than you do. If you would like for me to provide you with examples I may actually trouble myself to do so: I know many individuals who are much more adept than myself who would love to speak with you.
Granted that they may feel it is a waste of time.
I must remember, however, that the point of this email to you was not to "rant and rave" at you but to remind you of the Maxims of Ptahhotep...in fact, let me summarize a great idea in my own words:
"Be small in words...if you think someone is foolish then you are just as foolish for acknowledging them."
Me--ROFL---I have a reason to be foolish. I'm 25 and I'm still quite immature.
So, please tell us, Antipasto: what is your reason? In closing, please let me know if Another Media in Maidstone, Kent, United Kingdom know anything about your website.
Also: I will be at a few of the Tawy House get-togethers (http://www.tawyhouse.org). If you believe that you are the type of individual that can speak his mind in public then please take the opportunity to publically humiliate me in front of people. I'll even meet you in Chicago before I go to the retreats.
I'd like to see you face to face.
Ankh Djed Was,
John
sa Sekhmet/Hethert
"Pick up the receiver...I'll make you a believer...."
Was once enough? Of course not. This individual then sent me another letter:
From: (John's address deleted) Number: 443959
To: DEMIPAGAN Date: 10/15/01 12:32 AM
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Em Hotep Antihistamine!
I actually found something worth reading (what a surprise) at your website:
"2. Pray, and see who answers........(ad nauseum)"
I did.I prayed to Sekhmet and many other Names of Netjer. I can not tell you that every time I prayed that I had a positive outcome (some were actually negative in nature).
However, from a few names (Sekhmet, Bast, Set, etc.) I have noticed that, "when [I] pray for something worthy", that I definitley do receive it: whether it be strength to find temperance of Anger (Set), being sick (Sekhmet), or getting my cats to calm down (Bast).
I would not be so stupid to say that I have "faith" in Netjer simply because "well, um..gee Antiwhateveryournameis, I have faith"...I have been through so many religions that I can not tell you how disenchanted I am with theology all-together.
However, I have faith in Kemetic Orthodoxy because, frankly, I see it manifest in the "real world" that you so wonderfully talk about.
My life is going quite well compared to my past and I believe that my "faith" i s one of the reasons: not only the faith in myself but the faith in my "Parent Name" that I hold "conversations" with.
Well, in closing, I certainly hope that you never hear Aphrodite speaking to you...you may think that you are Schizophrenic or, at the best, Schizo-effective. ..then, of course, Aphrodite will be offended...
As Her Holiness Tamara L. Siuda stated...Netjer WANTS us to communicate....with their ACTUAL names (Sekhmet...not Sachmis, my friend...).
So have a nice day!
John
P.S. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT EAT BAKLAVA.
This is who Rev. Cass decided to empower on the board. Tamara, this is not acceptable. I have been threatened through your private message system, and defamed on your boards, without objection by your staff. Rational rebuttal on my part has been censored, on the other hand, because it has been persuasive. Rev. Cass said as much, in the letter I forwarded to you.
I'll be delighted to send the rest of the posts, for your examination, if you wish, now that Stephanie has destroyed the record in your own archives. Right now, though, I have other things to do, and this has really eaten up my day.
Right now, though, I am left with the impression that our cut-rate cyberthug wannabee friend John speaks with the blessing of the House. If this is so, then what can I say other than "the friend of my enemy is my enemy". If that is the House's choice, so be it.
................................................................................... Antistoicus
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