10:00:54 PM Majere: i know what happened, but this really has nothing to do with that.
10:01:38 PM Remy: hey man, we understand she's your fiance, but you took this to unnecessary lengths
10:02:08 PM Remy: and really, who likes being provoked by a gm, a person with a position of power. how can we like her if she abuses this power to insult us, or kill us, or whatever
10:02:23 PM Remy: she's pked me in town, and i never said a word to her, but like, this kinda stuff will make anyone upset
10:03:27 PM Majere: i am leaving that guys post up there, and i am going to speak to her tomarrow about being more porfessional, but cheesehouse is banned because of other reason.
10:03:44 PM Remy: it really sucks to leave, because you're an excellent admin and a rare find amongst the free shard community, but since chislev came on board, i've seen the shard stray from your true vision
10:04:02 PM Remy: can you explain to me why cheesehouse was banned, then?
10:04:09 PM Remy: im sure its not exploiting or anything like that
10:04:17 PM Remy: because he simply wouldn't do such a thing
10:04:23 PM Majere: for his comment to me after i released him from jail. I am not repeating it.
10:04:58 PM Majere: simply I dont take kindly to people that lie and try to treaten me.
10:05:10 PM Remy: i cannot imagine that cheesehouse would lie and threaten you
10:05:27 PM Remy: he's one of the most easygoing guys i know
10:05:37 PM Remy: its just not his style
10:05:43 PM Majere: first time he lied to me was when he made that post about Chislev removal of his rant
10:06:07 PM Majere: he said he would not make it into a sceen, he promised me he wouldn't but he did
10:06:57 PM Majere: then he goes behind my back and post the shit on BV about chilev which is not true, she did not help alex at all.
10:07:26 PM Majere: she might have some ego issues, i give you that but she would not cheat. and I have the logs that show it
10:07:43 PM Remy: majere, let me be perfectly honest with you. cheesehouse isn't going against you. he doesnt know that im talking to you, and he respects you lots, but the whole chislev thing has really taken him over the line
10:08:04 PM Remy: no one is perfect, but the girl has a position of power, and she's abusing it
10:08:13 PM Remy: thats like bad management
10:08:44 PM Remy: im not calling for you to fire her or anything, i couldnt ask you to do that
10:08:49 PM Majere: i agree to some extant, but you also have to remember we put in 8 hours of work on the shard, in and that time we maybe play around for a few minutes.
10:09:04 PM Majere: 8 hours per day
10:09:16 PM Remy: thats why i respect you so much
10:09:21 PM Remy: because you give this shard 100%
10:09:45 PM Remy: and thats why im upset that i have to leave, because i've put in work here, and now its all going poof because my friend gets banned
10:09:46 PM Majere: herrasing the poor girl because she wants to look weird is a problem with me, she earned the right to look who ever she wants
10:10:23 PM Remy: no one harasses her man, we just dont like the way she does things, and we tell her
10:10:45 PM Remy: all your shards have always been based on feedback
10:11:00 PM Remy: thats the reason im even bothering to talk to you, because i know you'll listen
10:11:02 PM Majere: that is harassment. the correct way would to come to me privatly and speak you issues.
10:11:28 PM Remy: im sure it was made more than clear to you that we didnt like the way chislev was doing her job
10:11:40 PM Remy: made by people in no way connected to each other
10:12:55 PM Majere: she does a great job, i love how involed she is, she cares about the shard just as much as I do, I like a lot of her ideas and would do them myself if i had the time. because of her we are having more quest and events then ever before. more player interaction. 
10:13:11 PM Remy: i know, i was indeed very grateful for that tourney
10:13:31 PM Remy: yes, she can run things, i will admit that, and she's dedicated
10:13:36 PM Remy: but she just has a bad attitude
10:14:15 PM Majere: she never been a gm, she never had this kind of postion. its my fault and i take full blame for not being more clear with her on how things need to be, she is a smart girl and does things very well. Like i said at the start of this convo I am going to speak with her tomarrow about certain issues.
10:14:38 PM Remy: yes, that is also understandable
10:14:42 PM Remy: i dont hold you responsible
10:14:47 PM Remy: you and her are the only gms
10:15:02 PM Remy: if we didnt have you guys, we wouldnt be here
10:15:25 PM Remy: but like, as a result of bad management on chislev's part, i dont think cheese should be banned
10:15:48 PM Remy: regardless of things he said to you
10:16:08 PM Remy: he was angry that chislev was going to "beat" him with power rather than fairness
10:16:08 PM Majere: cheese is banned because of my reason, she did not ban him or have anything to do with the banned. I banned him after the disrespect he showed to mw.
10:16:53 PM Remy: do you really care about what the players see you as?
10:17:06 PM Remy: do you really think that if chez doesnt like you so much, he'd still be playing this shard?
10:17:13 PM Remy: he's played almost every shard you put out
10:17:22 PM Remy: because he trurly respects your work
10:18:05 PM Majere: /21/2004 9:10:21 PM sparrow Majere - Watching fate as it flows down the path we have chose She deleted it because I said the word "fuck", apparently. 8/21/2004 9:10:55 PM Majere - Watching fate as it flows down the path we have chose sparrow *looks for log* moment. 

10:18:31 PM Majere: /21/2004 9:11:28 PM sparrow Majere - Watching fate as it flows down the path we have chose Subject: Regarding post Saying "fuck" does not in any way give us feedback. I'm sorry for deleting your suggestions. Chis 

10:18:53 PM Remy: this is the internet, every other post has the word fuck in it
10:18:58 PM Remy: and look how cynical shes being
10:19:01 PM Remy: its downright mean
10:19:04 PM Majere: i see no  attitude there.
10:19:29 PM Majere: we wanted feed back, we did not want a rant
10:19:32 PM Remy: why doesnt she delete every other post with the word fuck in it
10:19:52 PM Majere: /21/2004 9:11:34 PM Majere - Watching fate as it flows down the path we have chose sparrow "I removed his post where he said "what the fuck samurai helmets and arcane clothing""
10:19:55 PM Remy: why does she have to pick the post of a guy who's openly not a fan of her work
10:20:16 PM Remy: whats wrong with that post
10:20:37 PM Majere: all rants where dealt with in the same way, he was not the only one, but he was the only one to make a big deal out of it
10:21:06 PM Majere: he even says so
10:21:07 PM Majere: /21/2004 9:12:23 PM sparrow Majere - Watching fate as it flows down the path we have chose i'll phrase it with less rude words in it next time.

10:21:38 PM Remy: see, he's agreeing and following along with her
10:22:07 PM Remy: how long could he go on doing that, if she kept deleting his posts
10:22:14 PM Remy: its like shes picking on him and provoking him
10:22:14 PM Majere: /21/2004 9:16:09 PM Majere - Watching fate as it flows down the path we have chose sparrow just do me a fav, don't start no bs... I hate to see you go mate.

10:22:25 PM Majere: she deleted one post from him
10:22:27 PM Majere: ONE
10:22:36 PM Remy: er, more than one
10:22:41 PM Remy: hell, she even deleted my i quit post
10:22:42 PM Majere: I even let the post go on in the arena
10:22:53 PM Majere: i did that because it was pointless.
10:23:06 PM Remy: mhmm, ok
10:23:08 PM Remy: i can see that
10:23:29 PM Remy: im sure chez will admit that he made a mistake
10:23:30 PM Majere: now as you can see, I am trying hard to hear both sides
10:23:43 PM Remy: yes, i appreciate that
10:23:50 PM Majere: I went out of my way to talk to chex after that issue
10:24:16 PM Remy: i think he'll even apologize to you
10:24:20 PM Majere: and even afterwards, after he said it was cool now and that he wasn't going to cause any issues he did anyways
10:24:29 PM Majere: yet i ignored it and let it go
10:24:30 PM Remy: that stuff he said at the bank?
10:24:37 PM Remy: that was just pure sarcasm
10:25:25 PM Remy: or the personal stuff
10:25:34 PM Majere: it not something he would do to me, and if he did i would have banned him instantly. Chislev let it go...
10:27:14 PM Remy: why would he disrespect you, you've done nothing wrong to him
10:27:34 PM Remy: but chislev has done stuff that he doesnt appreciate, and thinks is insulting
10:28:08 PM Remy: like, when she was in our house, i told him over icq, chez just dont say anything, if we ignore her, she'll go away
10:28:25 PM Remy: so she dissapeared, like hid, and followed us around
10:28:35 PM Remy: and then chez jokingly said something to me, he got jailed
10:28:38 PM Remy: to me, personally
10:30:23 PM Remy: so basically, she spied on us till she found something compromising to the TOS, which are really loosely inforced, you must admit, and threw the book at him
10:31:46 PM Majere: < (Mondains Hand): i am killing some ochoas guy > at 9/8/2004 3:37:25 AM
< (Morgan): lets not fight here > at 9/8/2004 3:37:27 AM
< (Mondains Hand): and chis tells me to stop > at 9/8/2004 3:37:33 AM
< (Morgan): I read about chis > at 9/8/2004 3:37:37 AM
< (Morgan): :( > at 9/8/2004 3:37:38 AM
< (Mondains Hand): and i am like all stfu in this bitch > at 9/8/2004 3:37:39 AM
10:32:16 PM Remy: but thats not cheesehouse
10:32:17 PM Remy: ...
10:32:52 PM Remy: 10:31:59 PM Remy: < (Mondains Hand): and i am like all stfu in this bitch > at 9/8/2004 3:37:39 AM
10:32:01 PM Remy: did you say that
10:32:28 PM Asmodai: not to her, i was embellishing the sotry for luaghs after to somebody else
10:33:06 PM Majere: < (New York Yankees): i demand you rename that NPC guard > at 9/8/2004 12:25:30 PM
10:33:13 PM Remy: of course
10:33:18 PM Remy: simpsons npc name? wtf
10:33:18 PM Majere: you have no right
10:33:24 PM Remy: it was a joke
10:33:30 PM Remy: im sure she understands the positions of power
10:34:15 PM Majere: < (Chislev): I'll ban you all one day > at 9/8/2004 12:26:13 PM
10:34:23 PM Majere: sorry but i guess i am wrong
10:34:32 PM Majere: &puts head down in shame*
10:34:50 PM Majere: she had no right to say that
10:35:13 PM Remy: i told you man :/
10:35:19 PM Remy: and chez told you too, in his own way
10:35:23 PM Remy: but you banned him for it
10:36:00 PM Majere: She let me down, I let you guys down. I am sorry.
10:36:16 PM Remy: dont take it hard man
10:36:19 PM Remy: she's a chick
10:36:24 PM Remy: thats what they'll do, fuck up
10:36:31 PM Remy: and the guys will be around to fix it
10:36:43 PM Remy: dont concentrate on the problem, look for a solution
10:37:38 PM Remy: hell, i was even there when she said it at the tourney
10:37:42 PM Remy: i remember it clearly
10:38:38 PM Majere: it was today.
10:38:58 PM Remy: must've said it more than once
10:40:04 PM Remy: i dont want anything to change except cheesehouse being unbanned and chislev spoken to
10:40:11 PM Remy: so far you've been doing a great job
10:40:39 PM Majere: < (Chislev): now where did the neon haters go > at 9/8/2004 2:14:00 PM
10:40:47 PM Remy: thats when she came to our house
10:40:51 PM Majere: < (Chislev): anyone seen the neon haters? > at 9/8/2004 2:14:12 PM
10:41:16 PM Majere: < (Chislev): Hello im neon > at 9/8/2004 2:15:14 PM
10:41:21 PM Remy: provoking us
10:41:36 PM Remy: she was equipping robes of neon white, blaze, some other crap
10:41:44 PM Remy: just to see if she could get a rise out of us
10:41:47 PM Remy: but we ignored her
10:46:16 PM Remy: so what are you going to do
10:47:57 PM Majere: cheese has been unbanned, only because i know he is good at heart.
10:48:16 PM Majere: chislev is getting a attuide adjustment tomarrow from me.
10:48:37 PM Remy: i appreciate that you took the time to listen to me
10:48:53 PM Majere: and i will apoligeze to everyone tomarrow aswell
10:48:57 PM Remy: and be fair to everyone involved
10:49:51 PM Remy: glad to be back :)
10:51:07 PM Majere: thanks for giving me the time to correct things. I don't always know what is going on and I give those I love trust. 
10:51:39 PM Majere: I din't realise that she didn't have the shard's best interest involded.
10:51:55 PM Majere: prehaphs i am to blame for that.
10:52:02 PM Remy: we understand that you have to give her trust
10:52:06 PM Majere: i am a very compermising person.
10:52:11 PM Remy: and we dont hold you as the one we blame
10:52:22 PM Remy: we just think she needs to know who she is
10:52:27 PM Remy: and how she should act
10:52:36 PM Remy: she's got a position of power, she should be proffesional
10:52:44 PM Remy: thats all, i have nothing against her further than that
10:52:48 PM Majere: my eyes are killing me, ive been up since 5am. good night
10:52:49 PM Remy: and neither does chez
10:52:54 PM Remy: good night man, thanks again