November 21st, 2002

> Rick: YOU'RE BACK WITH "MuchOnDemand." CHANTAL KREVIAZUK TO MY LEFT, AND THAT WAS THE CUTEST MOVE I'VE EVER SEEN. YOU DID YOUR OWN CLAPPING.

> YEAH.

> Rick: I NEVER SEE AN ARTIST DO THAT.

> REALLY? WHY NOT? WHY NOT?

> Rick: YOU CAN USE YOUR MIKE IF YOU WANT. WELL, IT'S JUST YOU DID A LITTLE CLAPPING. THAT'S CUTE.

> OH. I THOUGHT YOU MEANT AS OPPOSED TO LIKE-- AS OPPOSED TO A RECORDED CLAP.

> Rick: NO, NO. YOU WERE EXCITED THAT THE SHOW WAS COMING BACK.

> OF COURSE I'M EXCITED. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

> Rick: THEY'RE EXCITED. EVERYONE OUT THERE IS EXCITED. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS.

> RIGHT. OH, RIGHT. OH, SORRY. THAT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE MY C.D. FOR A SECOND.

> Rick: THOSE ARE JUST MY CHEAT SHEETS ON THE BACK THERE. "WHAT IF IT ALL MEANS SOMETHING," THIS IS YOUR THIRD ALBUM.

> AS OPPOSED TO NOTHING.

> Rick: EXACTLY. I'VE READ THAT THIS ALBUM IS YOUR MOST FULLY REALIZED. THAT'S WHAT I READ.

> THAT'S DEEP.

> Rick: WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY MEAN BY THAT?

> I DON'T KNOW.

> Rick: COME ON. DID YOU WRITE THAT?

> DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THEY MEAN WHEN THEY MAKE THESE--

> Rick: "MOST FULLY REALIZED ALBUM OR WORK TO DATE."

> WELL, CAN I QUOTE MY-- CAN I JUST SAY WHAT I FEEL?

> Rick: YEAH.

> 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT IT IS MY MOST FULLY REALIZED WORK TO DATE.

> Rick: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

> IT JUST MEANS THAT I FEEL AS THOUGH, IN ORDER TO GROW AS AN ARTIST, YOU NEED TO GET A BETTER, CLOSER INSIGHT VIA YOUR MUSIC AS YOU CREATE MUSIC. AND I REALLY DO FEEL THAT IT IS THE CLOSEST TO HOW I FEEL. THAT'S SUCH A BIG CHALLENGE, TO TAKE HOW YOU'RE FEELING AND ACTUALLY GET IT, YOU KNOW, ON TAPE.

> Rick: I HEAR YOU. YOU SAY THE SONGS ON THIS ALBUM AND ON YOUR PREVIOUS ALBUMS COME FROM YOUR HEART.

> YEP.

> Rick: FROM ONE PLACE, YOUR HEART. BUT YOU WERE ABLE TO WRITE SONGS FOR THIS ONE JUST ABOUT EVERYWHERE.

> YEAH. > Rick: WAS IT EASIER TO WRITE THE SONGS ON THIS ALBUM?

> I DIDN'T HAVE A PIANO ON THIS ALBUM, NO, FOR WRITING IT. THE LAST SONG I WROTE ON A PIANO WAS IN OUR APARTMENT IN TORONTO, WHICH WE LOST FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, AND SO THAT WAS ALMOST A FEW YEARS AGO NOW. SO I DIDN'T HAVE A PIANO FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE AN ALBUM. DIDN'T MAKE ONE FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, BUT CONTINUED TRYING TO WRITE JUST ON THE GUITAR OR CASIO KEYBOARDS WHEREVER I FOUND THEM, YOU KNOW. I WAS PRETTY MUCH DESPERATE.

> Rick: JENN IS GOING TO TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE MORE.

> OKAY.

> Rick: IT'S COOL BECAUSE AN OBSERVATION I MADE IN YOUR VIDEO, YOU WERE ACTUALLY PLAYING A GUITAR.

> OH, YEAH. I WROTE A LOT OF THIS RECORD ON THE GUITAR.

> Rick: TRACK NUMBER 4 ON HERE, "JULIA."

> YES, "JULIA."

> Rick: TRACK NUMBER 9, I BELIEVE, GOING BACK TO 1994 OFF OF "NAVID," OUR LADY PEACE, "JULIA."

> OH, YEAH. THERE'S A "JULIA" THERE. AND THE BEATLES HAVE A "JULIA," RIGHT.

> Rick: THE BEATLES DO AS WELL, BUT YOU'RE NOT MARRIED TO--

> NO.

> Rick: OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN MARRIED TO--

> NO. NO. WELL, I'VE BEEN MARRIED TO JOHN IN MY OWN MIND, BUT NO. I'M NOT TRULY MARRIED TO JOHN LENNON.

> Rick: PURELY COINCIDENTAL?

> COMPLETELY COINCIDENTAL. WELL, "JULIA'S" ABOUT THIS MOMENT I WAS AT A RESTAURANT AND JULIA ROBERTS WAS ALSO EATING THERE. WE WERE THE ONLY PEOPLE IN THE RESTAURANT, AND I SAW HER ON A DATE WITH HER BOYFRIEND. THIS WAS AWHILE BACK. OBVIOUSLY, SHE'S SINCE MARRIED AND STUFF. BUT IT WAS JUST, I DON'T KNOW, THIS MOMENT OF, "WOW, I'M SO LUCKY THAT I MET MY HUSBAND WHEN I WAS REALLY YOUNG AND I'VE GROWN UP WITH HIM." WE'RE JUST LIKE KIDS TOGETHER. YOU KNOW. IT'S PRETTY GREAT. I JUST SORT OF FELT FOR HER. I WAS LIKE, I CAN'T IMAGINE FEELING BAD FOR SOMEONE LIKE JULIA ROBERTS. SHE'S SO BEAUTIFUL AND SHE'S KIND OF GOT IT ALL AND, YOU KNOW, SHE GOT TO DO THAT TRIP TO AFRICA TO DO THE ENVIRONMENTAL CHIMPANZEE DOCUMENTARY, AND THAT'S ABOUT AS GOOD AS IT GETS. SO YOU KNOW, SHE'S GOT IT ALL.

> Rick: DON'T FEEL THAT BAD. SHE MAKES 25 MILLION A FILM.

> OH, THAT'S SECONDARY. BUT, YOU KNOW, SHE KIND OF HAS IT ALL, AND THEN SHE PROBABLY JUST WANTS TO HAVE REAL LOVE WITH SOMEBODY, AND SO THAT'S INVALUABLE, I THINK.

> Rick: YEP. "IN THIS LIFE" IS THE FIRST VIDEO, AND IT'S COMPLETE WITH THAT OVER-THE-HEAD SHOT OF YOU PLAYING THE PIANO.

> (Laughing)

> Rick: THAT'S ALWAYS GOT TO BE THERE.

> WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? YOU'RE BEING MEAN NOW!

> Rick: I'M NOT!

> I TOLD THEM TO TAKE THAT SHOT OUT AND THEY DIDN'T TAKE IT OUT. IT'S A WEIRD SHOT.

> Rick: IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A CHAETAL KREVIAZUK VIDEO, THAT SHOT HAS TO BE THERE. THAT'S BEEN THERE-- THAT'S THE RUNNING THEME THROUGH THE VIDEOS.

> STOP IT!

> Rick: OKAY, I'LL STOP IT. (Laughter) ANASTASIA AND IAN DID THIS ONE. I THINK IT'S THEIR FIRST TIME DIRECTING.

> THEY WHAT? ANASTASIA AND IAN, THEY DIRECTED TOGETHER.

> Rick: THEY DID.

> YES, BUT THEY DID THE NORAH JONES VIDEO, TOO.

> Rick: OKAY.

> SO YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT THAT, RICK.

> Rick: RIGHT. MY COMPUTER IS ALL-- I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT INFORMATION.

> IT'S NOT RICK THE TEMP. IT'S RICK THE WRONG.

> Rick: RICK THE WRONG, AND I LOVE YOUR WRISTBANDS IN THE VIDEO AS WELL.

> THANK YOU. I'M NOT WEARING THEM TODAY. I'VE GOT TO GET THOSE PUPPIES BACK ON.

> Rick: THAT STAR ONE, I LOVE THAT STAR ONE.

> I DO, TOO. I LIKE THAT. IT'S CUTE.

> Rick: RAINBOW LET ME WEAR HIS TODAY.

> OH, WOW! THAT'S REALLY COOL. IF YOU REALLY LIKE ME, YOU'LL GIVE ME THAT.

> Rick: I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU RIGHT NOW.

> GOOD.

> Rick: THERE YOU GO. IT'S YOURS.

> THANK YOU.

> Rick: YOU HAVE TO ASK RAINBOW WHETHER-- (Laughter) DO YOU WANT TO THROW TO YOUR FIRST VIDEO?

> ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE CHAETAL KREVIAZUK, "IN THIS LIFE."

> Rick: LET'S CHECK IT OUT. COMPLETE WITH THE OVER-THE-HEAD SHOT OF PIANO PLAYING! (Applause and cheering) (Playing video) (Cheering and applause)

> Jenn: CHANTAL'S ON-LINE WITH ME. THAT'S HER WEB SITE ADDRESS, CHANTALONLINE.COM.

> HI, JENN.

> Jenn: HOW ARE YOU?

> I'M WELL. HOW ARE YOU?

> Jenn: SEE, WE KNOW EACH OTHER FROM BEFORE.

> FROM BEFORE. I KNOW HER PAST.

> Jenn: (Laughing) I DON'T REALLY KNOW YOUR PAST. WELL, ACTUALLY I KNOW YOUR MUSIC, SO I KIND OF DO KNOW YOUR PAST.

> YES, YOU DO.

> Jenn: SO I WANT TO KNOW--

> YOU KNOW ALL ABOUT ME.

> Jenn: IN YOUR MUSIC, HOW MUCH IS THE PAST VERSUS THE PRESENTS VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE HOPING FOR FOR THE FUTURE?

> I THINK THAT'S ALL IN THERE. I THINK THAT I'M DEFINITELY ADDRESSING MY CHILDHOOD AND MY GROWING UP YEARS AND, YOU KNOW, AND ADDRESSING-- NOT ADDRESSING THE PAST. I THINK THAT IT'S GOOD AT SOME POINT TO JUST LET GO AND TO SORT OF LOSE YOURSELF IN THE MOMENT AND FOR THAT TO BE OKAY. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT ATTITUDE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE PAST. YOU CAN'T CONTROL A LOT OF THE THINGS AROUND YOU, AND YOU JUST NEED TO ENJOY LIFE AND SAY KIND OF "SCREW IT" SOMETIMES AND HAVE FUN.

> Jenn: THIS IS A QUESTION FROM OUR MESSAGE BOARD. O-BEAST WANTS TO KNOW IF YOU THINK THE POPULARITY OF FEMALE ARTISTS-- NO, POP DIVAS DON'T COUNT-- HAS DROPPED SINCE THE END OF LILITH FAIR BECAUSE TO O-BEAST IT SEEMS LIKE IT HAS.

> HMM. THE POPULARITY, I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THAT THERE IS A STRANGE PHENOMENON ABOUT THE POPULARITY OF FEMALE ARTISTS AND WHETHER THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, AT THE FOREFRONT OF THE ENTERTAINMENT WORLD OR THE MUSIC WORLD. AND THERE JUST ARE ALWAYS FEMALES IN MUSIC. I MEAN, I THINK BEFORE LILITH FAIR OR WHEN LILITH FAIR WAS HAPPENING, PEOPLE WOULD SAY, "WELL, THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, THE REIGN OF WOMEN RIGHT NOW." AND IT'S STRANGE TO ME BECAUSE THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN-- WHETHER IT'S BEEN CHRISSIE HYNDE OR JONI MITCHELL, THERE HAVE JUST BEEN-- STEVIE NICKS. THERE HAVE BEEN TONS OF WOMEN IN MUSIC WHO HAVE BEEN BRILLIANT AND TOTALLY DOMINATED, I THINK, SINCE FOREVER. AND YOU CAN GO WAY BACK AND THINK OF THE ELLA FITZGERALDS OR ANY OF THE JAZZ OR OPERA GREATS FROM THE TURN OF THE CENTURY OR-- THERE HAVE JUST ALWAYS BEEN WOMEN IN MUSIC.

> Jenn: DO YOU THINK THERE WAS ANY LILITH FAIR BACKLASH? BECAUSE SOMETIMES I HEAR LILITH FAIR USED TO DESCRIBE FEMALE SINGER/SONGWRITERS BUT IN A NEGATIVE WAY.

> OH, REALLY?

> Jenn: YEAH.

> SEE, I DON'T HEAR THAT. MAYBE PEOPLE DON'T SAY THAT TO ME BECAUSE THEY KNOW I'D PROBABLY PUNCH THEM OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, I DON'T REALLY HEAR THAT KIND OF THING. I COULD SEE MAYBE HOW THEY THINK THAT, BUT I REALLY THINK ALSO YOU CAN SPIN THINGS HOWEVER YOU WANT TO SPIN THEM.

> Jenn: TRUE. TRUE. LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS ALBUM. YOU CO-WROTE A LOT OF THE SONGS WITH YOUR HUSBAND RAINE.

> I CO-WROTE FOUR SONGS. THEY ACCIDENTALLY SAY THAT I CO-WROTE THE LAST SONG WITH HIM, BUT I DIDN'T. I DID IT BY MYSELF!

> Jenn: SO THE FOUR SONGS, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT WAS LIKE WRITING WITH SOMEONE YOU HAVE SUCH A STRONG EMOTIONAL CONNECTION TO.

> WELL, IT'S INTERESTING. EVEN ON THE SONGS THAT I DON'T WRITE WITH RAINE, I REALLY FEEL LIKE HE'S WITH ME FOR THEM BECAUSE I REALLY HEAR THINGS THROUGH HIS EARS. HE'S ULTIMATELY MY MUSE AND MY SOUNDING BOARD WHETHER WE'RE WRITING TOGETHER OR NOT.

> Jenn: WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STOPPING BY. YOU ARE GOING TO STAY WITH US. WE'RE ON LINE AT muchmusic.com. WE'RE TAKING A BREAK. MORE WITH CHAETAL KREVIAZUK WHEN WE RETURN. (Applause) (Cheering) ("MuchOnDemand" theme) (Commercial Break) ("MuchOnDemand" theme) (Cheering and applause)

> Jenn: YOU ARE BACK WITH "MuchOnDemand." CHAETAL KREVIAZUK HAS JOINED US AND SHE'S RAZZING RICK.

> Rick: THAT WAS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. IT'S BETWEEN ME AND CHAETAL.

> DID YOU HEAR THAT? WE'RE WHISPERING.

> Rick: SOMETHING ABOUT REVIVAL.

> RIGHT. DECEMBER 9th I'M PLAYING AT THE REVIVAL HERE IN T.O. ACTUALLY I'M PLAYING AT A LOT OF PLACES ACROSS CANADA.

> Jenn: INTIMATE SHOWS?

> YEAH, JUST SMALL. YOU HAVE TO WIN, I THINK. YOU HAVE TO BE A WINNER TO GET IN. LIKE WHAT IS THAT? I DON'T KNOW. (Laughter) ISN'T THAT TERRIBLE? NO. I THINK IT'S THROUGH THE RADIO STATIONS.

> Rick: I FEEL BAD FOR THE LOSERS OUT THERE.

> THERE ARE NO LOSERS. THAT'S WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT.

> Rick: EVERYONE IS WELCOME?

> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THINK.

> Jenn: CRASH IT!

> Rick: I THINK IT'S LIKE A RADIO THING, RIGHT?

> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

> Rick: THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING ELSE IN THE NEW YEAR, HOPEFULLY, FOR THE NON-WINNERS?

> I THINK SO. WINNERS, NON-WINNERS, SUBWINNERS.

> Jenn: ...SHE GOES, "YOU'RE SO SMART."

> YOU'RE A LEADER.

> Rick: SHE PUT ME IN MY PLACE DURING THE COMMERCIAL BREAK.

> WHERE IS YOUR PLACE?

> Rick: IT WAS BACK HERE SOMEWHERE.

> BETWEEN HERE AND QUEEN--

> Rick: REMEMBER YOU THREW ME OVER THIS WAY?

> RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY.

> Jenn: CHAETAL, I REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE WORKING ON NEW MATERIAL FOR THIS ALBUM ON YOUR LAST TOUR. YOU PULLED OUT THE GUITAR AND YOU SAID, "OKAY, I'M JUST LEARNING HOW TO PLAY, YOU KNOW. GO EASY ON ME."

> YEAH, I'M NOT A GUITAR PLAYER... YET.

> Jenn: BUT YOU'VE BEEN PLAYING A LOT OF GUITAR ON THIS ALBUM AND USING IT TO WRITE SONGS.

> I USE THE GUITAR TO WRITE SONGS AND THEN, ONCE I WRITE THE SONG ON IT, I'VE LEARNED HOW TO PLAY IT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I DON'T CLAIM TO BE CLASSICALLY-- LIKE I COULD NEVER DOT PICKING THING.

> Jenn: WAS IT JUST FOOLING AROUND ON IT?

> IT WAS JUST 'CAUSE OF MY HUSBAND. I TAUGHT HIM TO PLAY PIANO AND HE TAUGHT ME HOW TO PLAY GUITAR. BUT NOT TRYING TO. IT'S JUST BECAUSE WE'RE IN EACH OTHER'S FACE SO MUCH, SO IT JUST KIND OF HAPPENED.

> Jenn: AND YOU WANT TO LEARN MORE?

> ABSOLUTELY. I LOVE THE GUITAR. I THINK IT'S SUCH A WARM INSTRUMENT AND IT REALLY INVITES A LOT OF CREATIVITY. IT JUST SPAWNS TONS OF IDEAS FOR ME.

> Jenn: VERY WARM. VERY WARM.

> IT'S JUST IT'S SO-- IT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD, AND IT'S SORT OF LIKE SITTING IN A DIFFERENT ROOM. I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO WRITE SONGS OR ANY KIND OF POETRY OR ANYTHING, IT'S REALLY GREAT TO GET OUT OF YOUR TYPICAL ENVIRONMENT, GO INTO A DIFFERENT SPACE AND EVEN USING A DIFFERENT MEDIUM CAN PROVIDE THAT SAME FEELING.

> Rick: NOW I KNOW THE KEYS AND THE NOTES COME FIRST, BUT DO YOU REMEMBER THE FIRST SONG YOU PLAYED ON THE GUITAR?

> OH, THE FIRST SONG THAT I PLAYED ON GUITAR WAS "BLUE." I WROTE "BLUE" FOR MY LAST RECORD. IT'S THE FIRST SONG ON MY LAST ALBUM AND I WROTE IT KIND OF COMPLETELY ON REALLY SIMPLE CHORDS. AND THAT'S THE AWESOME THING ABOUT NOT KNOWING HOW TO DO SOMETHING: IF YOU TRY TO DO IT, YOU CAN DO SOMETHING GREAT ON IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE TRICKS AND HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK. YOU'RE COMING AT IT FROM A COMPLETELY NAIVE, BEAUTIFUL SPACE, YOU KNOW.

> Jenn: THE ART OF MAKING MISTAKES SOMETIMES.

> IT'S SO GREAT, YEAH.

> Jenn: WE HAVE A VOTE-O-MATIC WE HAVE TO GET TO HERE.

> DO I GET TO SAY STOP?

> Jenn: YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO PULL UP THE BARS RIGHT HERE. SHAKIRA, NO DOUBT, ALICIA KEYS.

> Rick: IT'S VERY CLOSE.

> Jenn: DO YOU HAVE A FAVOURITE?

> IT'S GOT TO BE NO DOUBT. COME ON NOW.

> Jenn: OKAY. YOU GET TO STOP IT.

> Rick: IT'S TOTALLY UP TO YOU. YOU HAVE ALL THE POWER.

> IT'S UP TO ME? OH, REALLY? SO I CAN JUST-- STOP! OH! WAIT. OH. THAT'S TERRIBLE!

> Rick: BUT YOU SAID STOP WHEN NO DOUBT HAD THE LEAD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE.

> NO, NO, NO. I LOVE SHAKIRA, PERIOD. SHE'S FANTASTIC.

> Rick: LET'S THROW TO THAT VIDEO THEN. WE THANK YOU FOR COMING BY. THERE'S THE ALBUM RIGHT THERE.

> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

> Rick: "WHAT IF IT ALL MEANS SOMETHING," CHAETAL KREVIAZUK. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT WAS AWESOME. THIS IS SHAKIRA, "OBJECTION (TANGO)" ON "MuchOnDemand." (Cheering and applause) (Video plays)

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